FE 1/8th scale make it a legal class or not

[Al Waters]

shoot................... I had a reply that was lengthy.........and received an e-mail from Washington from a boater who has a 77 Oberto scale like mine. He had it for three weeks and it is now in 748 pieces.

Shook me up so much that I deleted my IW post.

Kelly is going the simplest route to introduce Scale. But do you want the same qualifying rules as nitro?

How picky do you want to be in scale? Boat integrity or boat count.

Who will make the decisions? The FE Chairman, the FE Scale Unlimited Chairman, or the Scale Unlimited Chairman.

Hey......send me an e-mail. I need your address for that DVD to send you.

Al Waters

NAMBA Vice President

NAMBA Scale Unlimited Chairman

 

[Al Waters]

Kelly.............. your address please.

Al Waters

NAMBA Vice President

NAMBA Scale Unlimited Chairman

 

[Paul Pachmayer]

Hey Guys,

I think my Atlas is a perfect example of what Kevin is talking about. My paint is several shades off but it is painted (style wise) as per the real boat. I only have a drivers helmet placed on top of the cockpit area, not quite 1/8th scale in size but close enough. Looking at pics of the real boat all you see is the drivers head. Small details on the boat are a bit "light". It is close enough for racing I belive, I built it to the nitro rule book. Will it win concourse, nope but I built it to race not to win concourse.

I've been to nitro 1/8th scale races and I don't think they are very picky on the race boats. Some of the rigs I saw looked more sport than scale and didn't get DQed.

As far as making it a NAMBA class I think having the rules in place as a guide to building is the most important part. Also my opinion is there was huge growth in the class from last year, these are big boats with a huge investment of time and money. For the class to grow 2 fold in a year is a pretty big deal. Also keep in mind the ONLY place the class was offered was in MI. Allot of expensive boats where put together for 1 race?

Paul.

 

[T.S.Davis]

go figure. I'm alone on an island. LOL

For what it's worth, I told these guys they were nuts when they were talking about 32 cell offshore boats too. I was wrong on that one. Anybody remember me saying "I will never" on that one?

Good question Al.

FE Chairman?

FE Unlimited Chairman?

Unlimited Chairman?

Is it time for individual FE chairman for mono, offshore, sport hydro, Unlimited? I don't know. Just thinking out loud.

If your going to do it, should we be discussing the details?

Instead of stating T power, let's just specify maximum voltage. That way if a guy wanted to run two 32 cell packs of GP2000's he could. It would delete our cell chemistry problem entirely. For that matter, if a guy wants to try 16 cells and an SS1 I say let him. He'll get run over but at least it gets built and on the water. Once he pulls the trigger he'll be ready to drop the coin on more ponies.

I guess you would have to go with maximum static voltage. I mean how would you check it otherwise?

 

[drobie]

For what it's worth, I told these guys they were nuts when they were talking about 32 cell offshore boats too.  I was wrong on that one. 

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Terry in your defense, you weren't really wrong. There is still only a handful of them across the country. 13 T Offshore boats at the Nats and it's still primarily a MI/CAFE thing. The VAST majority of T racers were from your two clubs. The exceptions are perennial big dollar guys.

It's not only a cost issue for a lot of people, there is also a space consideration with moving around a few big boats. A few reasons I passed up Dennis' boat were I didn't know where to keep it, I don't want to buy a bigger vehicle right now, and I can't hide it from my wife. LOL

That said, I still support making 1/8 scale a class.

 

[brooks93]

I see where Terry and Doug are coming from but, think of it this way.. why would someone build a boat that they can only race in michigan or ohio. Now that S and T offshore are offical class's I bet you see more because it will no be offered at more sites around the country.. I think you would see the same thing with 1/8th scale over time.. granted you probably have 12 1/8ths out there right now but, how many will you have if its offical and people have rules to build by or how many nitro guys like Al will take a hull they already have and convert to the dark side and come play with us FE guys.

LOL I remember Terry telling me he would never own a T offshore boat and I was crazy.. I also remember him saying he would never have a 1/8th scale.

Now if I remember right Terry has a T offshore and a 75% finished 1/8th scale.

He is all for 1/8th scale he just doesn't know it yet.. LOL Terry wait till you pull the trigger on that bad boy!!! LOL remember that one

I like what Terry said about cells I don't care if someone throws in 64 cells as long as the motor only see's 32

 

[brooks93]

Good question Al.
FE Chairman?

FE Unlimited Chairman?

Unlimited Chairman?

Is it time for individual FE chairman for mono, offshore, sport hydro, Unlimited? I don't know. Just thinking out loud.

Been thinking about that myself.. I think at a min we need a scale chairman

 

[DJ Campbell]

I'm all for 1/8. I like the scale hydros the best. I still wish I was in Seattle racing the 1/10 boats. The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is the cost. When that comes down I'm ready!

 

[Kevin Whitehead]

I'm all for 1/8. I like the scale hydros the best. I still wish I was in Seattle racing the 1/10 boats. The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is the cost. When that comes down I'm ready!

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Doug,

Are you related to Mike and Jeff Campbell, in E-RCU?

The seem to be kicking some tail in the E-RCU Modern division.

I think they have even built molds on some of their best running boat.

KW

 

[DJ Campbell]

I'm all for 1/8. I like the scale hydros the best. I still wish I was in Seattle racing the 1/10 boats. The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is the cost. When that comes down I'm ready!

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Doug,

Are you related to Mike and Jeff Campbell, in E-RCU?

The seem to be kicking some tail in the E-RCU Modern division.

I think they have even built molds on some of their best running boat.

KW

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No, but it's a good last name to have (ie:Malcolm and Donald)

I wish I could do something with the 10th scale hull I bought in '98 to run in Seattle. It's a nice roundnose fiberglas hull about 32" I made into Thriftway. The Seattle clubs have a great affordable thing going with 12 cells and the astro motor. Looks like if anything is to happen in large scale hydro for the rest of the US it's going to be the 1/8th.

 

[Darin Jordan]

I wish I could do something with the 10th scale hull I bought in '98 to run in Seattle. It's a nice roundnose fiberglas hull about 32" I made into Thriftway. The Seattle clubs have a great affordable thing going with 12 cells and the astro motor. Looks like if anything is to happen in large scale hydro for the rest of the US it's going to be the 1/8th.

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DJ,

Just so you know, Puget Sound Fast Electrics has a 1/10th scale class that was started this year and seems to be catching on some... 14-Cells, any motor, 1/10th scale, etc...

If you come our way, come on out and run!

 

[DJ Campbell]

I wish I could do something with the 10th scale hull I bought in '98 to run in Seattle. It's a nice roundnose fiberglas hull about 32" I made into Thriftway. The Seattle clubs have a great affordable thing going with 12 cells and the astro motor. Looks like if anything is to happen in large scale hydro for the rest of the US it's going to be the 1/8th.

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DJ,

Just so you know, Puget Sound Fast Electrics has a 1/10th scale class that was started this year and seems to be catching on some... 14-Cells, any motor, 1/10th scale, etc...

If you come our way, come on out and run!

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Any basic info on motors (brushless?) and props? The cell count sounds good. I'd like to attempt a setup and see what happens.

 

[Andrewg]

I was wondering what are major the faults in:

1.

* Using 12c/700 motor classes as the entry level;

* Leading into a series of Pro classes using 18 cells

2.

Delete 4, 6 and 8 cell classes which are more expensive and maintenance intensive so the structure is

3.

Delete 24 cell class to make the 18 - 32 cell or 30 cell (keeping it multiples of 6) at least as significant as 12- 18 cells in terms of power and performance

That leaves 5 performance levels based on conservative hydro/sport hydro

LS classes (to 40mph)

LS Pro (to 47)

12 cell open (to 50)

18 cell open (to 60)

32 cell open (to 70)

And essentially 3 cost levels

1. LS = 700 plus 12 cells

Pro = LS plus 6 cells

2. 12 open - B50 L & XL size motors / Castle 80 / 12 cells - 6 cell brushless mono

may only be different in terms of 6 l;ess lcells if ab50-l series motor is used

18 cell B50 XL size motors / Castle 80/ 12+6 cells

3. 32 cell 2200 size motors / schulze or hacker controllers/ 32 cells

IE everything from a bargain entry level class to potentially 130mph boats

you have far fewer classes - most affordable with only one premier class with a significant step in cost

 

[brooks93]

Hey guys can we not hijack this thread please.. there is the cool little button on the forum thats says new topic... LOL

don't mind it but, I would really like to try and keep this to 1/8th so I don't have to sift through multiple pages of chat to find peoples info on this subject

Thanks

Kelly

 

[Al Waters]

Paul brought up a good point when he said close enough. When is close enough not close enough. He said that his blue was off on the shade of blue but the style was correct. Is that close enough?

He had a head rather than a driver. Rules say complete with driver. His pic shows a head. Pics CAN be used to authenticate a boat ...but not the driver.

I dont mean to pick on Paul. He just gave me a good example to work with.

Are we being too nit picky? That is what you must decide.

I will make it real easy for you.

Each District Director in NAMBA has a Scale Unlimited Chairman or at least the DD is a contact. Terry, pick somebody in your district. Doug R. pick somebody in your district. (we have an FE Chairman in our district). They will be listed on the Contact page in the Master Hull Roster.

Whatever they decide on how compliant a boat looks is their call. If someone was to call me on it, my answer will always be to check with your local District FE Scale Unlimited Chairman. I always back him up as I feel that he knows what is best for his district.

Decide on motor and battery specs and you are there. It would be good to run a points series or at least run the class a few times during the year to educate everyone what you expect. That is a good way to iron out the bugs.

Al Waters

NAMBA Vice President

NAMBA Scale Unlimited Chairman

 

[drobie]

Each District Director in NAMBA has a Scale Unlimited Chairman or at least the DD is a contact.  Terry, pick somebody in your district. Doug R. pick somebody in your district. (we have an FE Chairman in our district). They will be listed on the Contact page in the Master Hull Roster.

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At least in the beginning, I think a Scale Committee of (for example) 3 would work better for FE. At this stage, they could be volunteers from within the ranks of 1/8 scale owners.

Many districts don't have boats yet, let alone racing programs. I for one wouldn't want to be making decisions on behalf of a class in which I don't yet participate and know little about.

I could appoint Paul, but he'll soon be racing against gators, water mocassins and mosquitos. LOL

 

[brooks93]

Doug if each distract has a chairmen then you have your commitee.

Al would still be the top dog but, the appointed people would be the workers.

 

[Pagemaster]

Kelly sorry for getting off topic

I would like to see a more sport feel to the racing part of things.

I personally would love to build a 1/8th to race at the 2006 nats. But my type of building is buying a hull and installing hardware. I don't have the time or energy to make a beautiful/detailed boat like some of the other guys. I realize I won't be in the concourse but that's ok with me.

 

[brooks93]

Page I know what your saying but, the point of the class is to make it look like the real thing.. its not a sport class..

You could always buy a used hull and put your stuff in it.

 

[Darin Jordan]

I realize I won't be in the concourse but that's ok with me.

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In order to compete in 1/8th scale, does one HAVE to compete in the concourse??

Conversely, does a boat have to be concourse-level detailed to race in 1/8th scale competition??

If I go buy/build a correct hull that is dimensionally correct, and I paint it to look like it's real counterpart, even if the paint is a shade off or I don't have all the decals, etc... is that good enough to race the boat? OR, does it have to be a "perfect" scale representation to even be allowed in the water???

I'm kind of in the same boat as Steve... I can get the correct hull and build it to look "correct", but I have neither the budget, time, or resources to get the paint color codes, etc., to make a perfect, concourse level presentation... On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I can build a boat that certainly LOOKs like it's counterpart when it's on the water, etc...

So basically what I'm asking is this... can we race but not show, or do the two go hand in hand???