***2008 World Outboard Tunnel Championships***

[jydracing]

I have been watching the past couple of days and IMO The race format and course should remain the same per impba rules. I do not think changing this would help. In the past 20+ years that I have been racing there are a few things that delay races over and over again that can be advoided. I feel that everyone will have heat sheats be ready for your heat have your boat ready and be at the pit area two heats before your heat is running and remain there in person with your pitman. I understand that there will be people running back to back with the same hull and need to fuel. Bring your fuel jug down to the pit area with you. If you were running the previous heat and your boat dies and are running the next heat with the same hull be there when the retrieve boat returns. If you are not running the same hull have someone else get your boat or if a table could be there the boats could be placed there for pickup where spcetaters can not get to them then pick them up after running.

Also the ones that are running the retrieve boats be ready to go. Do not wait until the retrieve boat is needed to deciede who will be running it then. I Know nobody likes to do this but I myself will do it! If your boat will not run or keeps having radio problems over and over and dies each time you run consider pulling it the race is not the place to see if you fixed it at the risk of destroing someone elses boat. I have done this many times for many reasons why be in the way and take the chance of getting hit? If your boat is alot slower that the others stay wide let the faster boats have the course to race. this is a few of the things that slow up a race. It is up to every one involved to help a race move at a good pace.

John and the Ones in the Club are super. I have raced with all of them and am sure this race will be one to talk about for a while can't wait see ya soon Jimmy

 

[moparbarn]

i agree that the heat racing should be run as advertised, except i'm not opposed to the a & b main format. not for it either, but if it helps move things along, and provides a better/fairer chance for the best drivers to meet in the final, then it's a positive. but just to change to be different is wrong, and not what people entered knowing..... now, a shoot out AFTER the championships-that i would look foward to, time permitting.

 

[piper_chuck]

The nice thing about the A&B mains when there are a large number of heats is that it allows those who have risen to the top, but have not necessarily raced against every other racer, to go up against the "best". The person who rises to the top after this has more bragging rights about being the "best of the best".

Since this would be a change from what's on the flier, perhaps it should not be done, this year...

 

[HTV Boats]

The nice thing about the A&B mains when there are a large number of heats is that it allows those who have risen to the top, but have not necessarily raced against every other racer, to go up against the "best". The person who rises to the top after this has more bragging rights about being the "best of the best".
Since this would be a change from what's on the flier, perhaps it should not be done, this year...

I cannot agree more with the best of the best getting to square off at the end. With 40-60 boats heats these drivers deserve a shot. Keep it down to a 6 boat final will give everyone a fair shot. 8 boats sometimes makes for carnage that can't be avoided. As for doing it this year I see no reason not to start. If you want to follow the flyer then trophys to 4 heats and bragging rights to the shootout winners. (better name than love plan. Leave that for scale, outboards need there own glory as thats what this whole event is about) I bet if you take a vote at the drivers meeting the consensus would be shootout 123 for the hardware. Think about the "Rocky" factor, you finish 9th in points win the "B" qualifier and take all the marbles. So does the 1st place in points cry as maybe he was only a hundred ahead of # 2. Only one sour rape guy here as drivers 2-60 will say Rocky is da man.

 

[moparbarn]

rocky would be "DA MAN". after ending up in the b main-due to back luck or whatever, he has to WIN the b and go on to WIN the a. 2 races, back to back.......... no sour grapes, just beat soundly.

 

[Mark Poole ModVP]

Twisted,

Mod-VP tunnel is a class that allows center ride surface tunnel boats to compete with each other in RC. If you have ever seen a lifesize boat such as an STV River Rocket, STV Euro, Stoker, Mirage, Eliminator or Lightning, those are all boats that use the Mod-VP hull concept. Outboard drag boats such as Quartermaster and Triad are examples too.

I can e mail or snail mail the hull rules to you. The reason we are using Sport B engine rules is to keep it fun and competitive while new hulls are built for the class. There are many ways to configure one of these boats and still be within the rules which leaves the door open for innovation.

Mark

 

[RodneyPierce]

Ok james. That boat there fits in B tunnel Mod.

 

[John Knight]

Ok james. That boat there fits in B tunnel Mod.

B Tunnel Class to be exact for the race. We do not use Mod or Stock any longer.

 

[moparbarn]

the name sport 20 confused me at first, also. that is stock, the rules on page h-11. .20 tunnel is mod-basically anything goes-pipes, ex. throttle, aftermarket lower, frankenstien motors....... hope this helps, twisted.

 

[piper_chuck]

the name sport 20 confused me at first, also. that is stock, the rules on page h-11.

Actually, it's not stock, it's "sport". The not-so-insignificant difference is that the sport rules permit internal mods.

 

[Andy Greene]

post='215962' date='Dec 8 2007, 02:58 PM']Twisted,

I would really appreciate them rules for this class. Oh ya I'm coming to play with you...WHAT PIE SHOULD I BRING? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

HUMBLE :lol: :blink: kidding James.......

 

[topfuel443]

There is no such thing as a "Stock" class. It never was a stock class. It has always been called "sport". James, the rule you previously posted from the rule book are for the Sport class. The "sport" class sometimes is reffered to (wrongly) as the "stock" class.

The boat you pictured of the TS2 and the piped K&B would run in the normal "B Tunnel" class. The "B Tunnel" class is also reffered to as the "Mod" class.

The boat you listed as having a stock OS on it could run in either the sport class or the b tunnel class. The one you listed as having a rossi for the engine can only run in the "b Tunnel" class as it doesn not fall within the parameters of the "sport" rules.

There are many modifications you can do to a sport engine and still have it be legal. With that being said, there are also somethings you can NOT do to the engine.

The "B Tunnel" class is considered "Mod" as in anything goes as long as it falls into the displacement ruling for the size engine class ( B class ). Tuned pipes, water cooled heads on air cooled motors, novarossi parts on a K&B engine etc etc.

Does this help?

~James

 

[RodneyPierce]

My answer is GREATLY!!!
My next question since you said it...what mods?

"There are many modifications you can do to a sport engine and still have it be legal."

Motor has to be stock appearing, with stock size carb inlet, and stock exhaust outlet size. Stock lower, even though straightening is allowed, etc. Someone else please correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure tis is about spot on.

 

[John Knight]

MOD-VP is a speciality tunnel class due to it's tunnel design and cannot run in the normal tunnel classes. It has a twin tunnel design unlike the traditional designs.

 

[moparbarn]

james, i stand corrected. sport is not "stock". but, it is "stocker" than mod. just kidding. stock is a term used too loosely to describe a lot of different kinds of class racing. i fell into the same trap.

 

[John Knight]

james, i stand corrected. sport is not "stock". but, it is "stocker" than mod. just kidding. stock is a term used too loosely to describe a lot of different kinds of class racing. i fell into the same trap.

Robin,

He tries to get me all the time on the same thing. But he has not been racing as long as I have. I have a trophy plaque, a 1st place from Sept 1992 in Charlotte, NC, with Outboard STOCK Tunnel Class engraved on it. Dick Tyndall was my pit man for the race. So there goes the premise that it was "never" called stock, because it was in the 1990's. Some of us grey beards remember things the young bucks never knew!

 

[Jerry Dunlap]

james, i stand corrected. sport is not "stock". but, it is "stocker" than mod. just kidding. stock is a term used too loosely to describe a lot of different kinds of class racing. i fell into the same trap.

Robin,

He tries to get me all the time on the same thing. But he has not been racing as long as I have. I have a trophy plaque, a 1st place from Sept 1992 in Charlotte, NC, with Outboard STOCK Tunnel Class engraved on it. Dick Tyndall was my pit man for the race. So there goes the premise that it was "never" called stock, because it was in the 1990's. Some of us grey beards remember things the young bucks never knew!

Some of us "grey beards" are trying to remember where we left our cell phone and truck keys.

JD

 

[moparbarn]

my beard's pretty grey, and i just felt my pockets to be sure about the phone & keys.

 

[topfuel443]

You may have a trophy that says stock, but I can assure you, the sport class was never called stock. Since the class's creation, it has been known as sport. Maybe the club ran their own "stock class"? Like I said, most of the "grey beards" have been mistakingly calling it stock for years, and im sure this could have gotten transfered to that particular trophy guy.

Not that any of it matters....Sport is way better than a stock class would be.

~James

 

[John Knight]

Gabe,

You miss my point. The current Sport class was called Stock in the 1990's in D12 & D13 and beyond. There was no mistake to it with the name. That was the class name. It has evolved to Sport now. No piped motors and the only one available was the water cooled K&B so it was easy to distinguish.