works great for full size dirt track. won 2 features back home (gulf county speedway) that way, stayed alive through the b main, so i could make the feature. i like it. one bad heat, or an accident not of your doing can hurt you. gives the better racers a chance to 'redeem' themselves.
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Here's a vote from South Africa for Jerry's proposal. After almost 20 years of car racing, it would be like going down memory lane. That is if I managed to get into the top 15 after all the 'qualifying heats' !
I have an idea we (me and the other two drivers from here), would prefer a course layout more like our normal 'M' or elongated 'L' for the 'A' and 'B' main.
My 2 cents worth.
Wennie.
I have an idea we (me and the other two drivers from here), would prefer a course layout more like our normal 'M' or elongated 'L' for the 'A' and 'B' main.
My 2 cents worth.
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Time wise, running a connie and final would eliminate the need for additional heats to break ties. It would seem to me with boat counts in the 50s, there would be a good chance for ties. Although a different shape course and method of starting might be interesting/exciting, IMO it would best to stay with a stardard oval course and IMPBA starting procedure.
JD
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i agree with jd on the start & course format for heats, but i think james was talking about a winner take all shootout, after the class racing final heat. under the lights 
??? i'm off until tuesday, i'll stay for it on monday.......
??? i'm off until tuesday, i'll stay for it on monday.......
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I think we should run the heat format we spoke about. As for the shape of the course and the start, well thats up to the masses. I think you guys will be missing all the fun if you dont run a hot start off the dock (im not talking about a FSR type start, im talking about having all of the pit men hold the running boats 2 inches above the water on the dock and when the flag drops, the boat drops) and an alternate course, but that is just one opinion. Honestly, the racing we did in Sweden was such a nice change of pace from the old oval racing...
Run the qualifier heats on the oval course. Run the finals on ???
Doesnt matter to me.
I agree with JD in the respect that we may actually not lose time, due to fewer runoffs with those classes.
~James
Run the qualifier heats on the oval course. Run the finals on ???
Doesnt matter to me.
I agree with JD in the respect that we may actually not lose time, due to fewer runoffs with those classes.
~James
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i agree with jd on the start & course format for heats, but i think james was talking about a winner take all shootout, after the class racing final heat. under the lights
It will not be a winner take all. We have trophy sponsorships for plaques for places 1 through 3 for every class. If we do the setup you all are talking about, the top 3 winners will come from the final heat with the top 6 in points qualifying for it. Due to travel plans for all, we will be completing the race on Sunday. Unless we have a monsoon to wash things out for a while or a day, look to finishing on Sunday.
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John,i agree with jd on the start & course format for heats, but i think james was talking about a winner take all shootout, after the class racing final heat. under the lights
It will not be a winner take all. We have trophy sponsorships for plaques for places 1 through 3 for every class. If we do the setup you all are talking about, the top 3 winners will come from the final heat with the top 6 in points qualifying for it. Due to travel plans for all, we will be completing the race on Sunday. Unless we have a monsoon to wash things out for a while or a day, look to finishing on Sunday.
Since you are the CD, obviously the race format is your's to decide. I totally respect that. However, I don't think running a connie/final format(four additional heats) in the 20 Classes will extend Sunday's racing more than 30- 35 minutes. However, we are your guests and appreciate what you and the club are providing.
JD
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I'm in for A & B mains...........And if I gotta beat all yall on Monday too in a king of the world race...so be it
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Oh, and left turns or right turns don't matter; hell we can run backwards; your all still gonna lose.
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John,
Since you are the CD, obviously the race format is your's to decide. I totally respect that. However, I don't think running a connie/final format(four additional heats) in the 20 Classes will extend Sunday's racing more than 30- 35 minutes. However, we are your guests and appreciate what you and the club are providing.
JD
Jerry,
I agree the time extension will not be a lot and I am not against it at all. I see the merit in it. The guys in the club will decide and not me but it makes good sense and would crown a more deserved champion in those very big classes. I just want to make sure it is formatted properly before the race. We need to work on that aspect and keep it reasonable. Exactly what classes do you have in mind?
It is unreal that we have 52 B tunnels entered and still have 45 slots to go for the race. 52 boats is 7 heats for the class and that is incredible.
John
Since you are the CD, obviously the race format is your's to decide. I totally respect that. However, I don't think running a connie/final format(four additional heats) in the 20 Classes will extend Sunday's racing more than 30- 35 minutes. However, we are your guests and appreciate what you and the club are providing.
JD
Jerry,
I agree the time extension will not be a lot and I am not against it at all. I see the merit in it. The guys in the club will decide and not me but it makes good sense and would crown a more deserved champion in those very big classes. I just want to make sure it is formatted properly before the race. We need to work on that aspect and keep it reasonable. Exactly what classes do you have in mind?
It is unreal that we have 52 B tunnels entered and still have 45 slots to go for the race. 52 boats is 7 heats for the class and that is incredible.
John
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quote name='John Knight' post='215882' date='Dec 7 2007, 06:46 PM']John,
Since you are the CD, obviously the race format is your's to decide. I totally respect that. However, I don't think running a connie/final format(four additional heats) in the 20 Classes will extend Sunday's racing more than 30- 35 minutes. However, we are your guests and appreciate what you and the club are providing.
JD
Jerry,
I agree the time extension will not be a lot and I am not against it at all. I see the merit in it. The guys in the club will decide and not me but it makes good sense and would crown a more deserved champion in those very big classes. I just want to make sure it is formatted properly before the race. We need to work on that aspect and keep it reasonable. Exactly what classes do you have in mind?
It is unreal that we have 52 B tunnels entered and still have 45 slots to go for the race. 52 boats is 7 heats for the class and that is incredible.
John
John,
Please keep in mind that some people have a 12 hour drive home when the race is over on Sunday.
TB
Since you are the CD, obviously the race format is your's to decide. I totally respect that. However, I don't think running a connie/final format(four additional heats) in the 20 Classes will extend Sunday's racing more than 30- 35 minutes. However, we are your guests and appreciate what you and the club are providing.
JD
Jerry,
I agree the time extension will not be a lot and I am not against it at all. I see the merit in it. The guys in the club will decide and not me but it makes good sense and would crown a more deserved champion in those very big classes. I just want to make sure it is formatted properly before the race. We need to work on that aspect and keep it reasonable. Exactly what classes do you have in mind?
It is unreal that we have 52 B tunnels entered and still have 45 slots to go for the race. 52 boats is 7 heats for the class and that is incredible.
John
John,
Please keep in mind that some people have a 12 hour drive home when the race is over on Sunday.
TB
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Bill,
I am very conscious of that fact and some have a 20+ hour drive. Others have international flights too. In addition, we are honestly talking about a format change and potential course change after the flyer had been published and the entries are almost closed out. Concern has already been raised to that effect. Absolutely nothing has been decided at this point to make any changes so hold tight.
I am very conscious of that fact and some have a 20+ hour drive. Others have international flights too. In addition, we are honestly talking about a format change and potential course change after the flyer had been published and the entries are almost closed out. Concern has already been raised to that effect. Absolutely nothing has been decided at this point to make any changes so hold tight.
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I have a 12 hour drive home and taking an hour for 3 classes of a shootout will not hurt me. Give us a lot to talk about on the drive. Coulda woulda shoulda just made that one corner.Last year we had at least an hour or more of prize drawings before the trophy's. Maybe the drawing could be on Saturday evening. Saves time and makes for a social hour after the days events
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I always thought the beach hot start would be a cool thing to do in RC. Question is, should we makes changes? The race has been sanctioned in standard heat racing format.
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IMO, doing a "beach hot start" would be a worse case scenario than the dreded "first corner mayhem." Changing the starting method is a much greater change than adopting a race format that has been used in many other racing events. I would suspect that you will spend as much time conducting run off races to break ties as you would running a Love Plan format. And, in the entry form it states "time permitting." I do like the suggestion to raffle off some or all of the prizes Saturday evening. What ever the club decides, "It's all good."
JD
yes, page h-11 will give the engine specs. mop vp is not an official impba class (yet), but htv boats can get you a set of the hull rules being used for this race. also the same rules for a proposed "official" impba class, so everybody's work isn't just for this race.
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