Roostertail

[Bill Zuber IMPBA]

Don the cops weren't there to shut the race down at all they were watching it. In fact the head o fthe parks department also came by and congradulated us on the turnout. NO noise problems at all at the Huntsville site. You need to quit spreading the false rumors to get people panicking.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Sorry, my error it was the former home of the Winternats that is gone because of noise, one of the nicest sites that we don't have anymore, just ask Andy Brown. Doesn't matter we are still losing sites from noise complaints. One question there Bill, why are you against setting a standard that people can actually UNDERSTAND & ENFORCE??? <_<

 

[mark poole]

Just curious....which site did they lose? The one south of Orlando that they raced on for many years or the one out east of town on Hwy. 50?

 

[Don Ferrette]

"The one south of Orlando that they raced on for many years..."

Yup, that's the one. Just ask Andy how nice that site was, I think he's still miffed about it. :unsure:

 

[Chris Wood]

I think don is right. if we don't do it now then what happens when you lose a site.

shoulda woulda could and then bam you are looking for a new site. and we all know how hard they are to find in the first place.

ya the rule is going to be a pain, ya you will have to change your setup but you will have a place to run if we can keep the noise down.

you look at all forms of racing and it's simple, do it or don't race, you choose.

 

[AndyBrown]

The site was the one way East of Orlando on I-95 (not the one on 50 by the Drag strip). I think It was Hap Mulvaney's Club pond. They let the Orlando Club use it for the Winternat that year ( I think the 2002 Winternats. ) A day of practice and Three days of racing and the natives couldn't take it any more. No warnings, no nothing. The Police and a city Official came Sunday afternoon and shut it down. There was one or two heats left to run and it took some sweet talk to let them finish. But that was the last boats to ever run there again.

As much as I would like to think we can all be responsible, I can see that it will never happen. :huh:

I was at a recent record trial and there was a boat with an add-on type muffler.

The thing was WAY louder than the Stock nitro pipe it had been added too.

Guess that's why we need Police: some folks will NEVER be responsible. h34r:

Currently all of my pipes will meet 90 db, even if they are drilled. This year we will come out with some pipes that will be at or near 80db. B)

Only way I know to have an effect on the noise issue.

 

[mark poole]

Was it an outboard?

 

[_laxmasta2039]

the december roostertail says a small piece about mufflers on the first page....it sounds like theyre moving toward making a limit from that, but it could just be me.

anyone else get that impression?

 

[Myron_Sleeva]

The site was the one way East of Orlando on I-95 (not the one on 50 by the Drag strip).  I think It was Hap Mulvaney's Club pond. 

Andy, wasn't this pond also adjacent to an R/C flying field? Even the planes flying over head did not irritate the residents as much as the boats which were on the pond which was not immediately near any homes.

 

[Don Ferrette]

the december roostertail says a small piece about mufflers on the first page....it sounds like theyre moving toward making a limit from that, but it could just be me.anyone else get that impression?

Well it sort of gives you that impression .... initially. BUT, you go a couple more pages to see our "technicial" director saying in print that "he's not ready to establish a dB limit yet". What a bunch of B.S.! Anyone who is involved with the IMPBA rule process knows that it takes FOREVER to pass ANYTHING! This is why you are seeing various districts stepping up (again!) to handle things. Congrats go out to district #1 for already implementing a 95dB limit for '04 season. District #12 will hopefully have something together real soon for '04 also as Mike Saleeby is hard at work on getting the proposal out to members & clubs. Also hats off to Brian Schymik to saying we need a dB limit set in his district report. There is no denying we have lost sites from noise complaints. We also know that the current "muffler rule" is a flat out JOKE because of how many are finding ways to CHEAT the rule as written. The setting of a national dB limit LEVELS the playing field for EVERYONE. You meet or you don't, I don't give a #%@* how you do it, just do it. QUIET IS NOT SLOW!! I just got finished testing Andy's 45 parabolic pipe with the stinger drilled out & it's under 90 dB. Now here's the best part, it's the BEST 45 pipe I've ever run! Ask others who are running it like Stu Barr, he'll tell you the same thing. Preston Hall runs one on his Picco powered 45 Crapshooter & that thing is ballistic!! John Finch just got done testing one on his 45 SG & says it's great. I've also been testing the AB67 pipe on my MAC 84's & that's another excellent combo plus it's under 90 dB!! Doug Sheperd (DPS hulls) recently told me how great the AB67 pipe is working on the CMB's in scale boats. And it's not just Andy's stuff either, I have heard the gas guys saying Cornell's (Midwest) new gas quiet pipe is the hot item right now. Mike Tyson (T-Mod Racing) has a excellent well made add on muffler that alot of the gas guys are having great results with. RumRacing (Lenny Blake) has good add on's too (I've tested them also, I run one on my CMB90 with a Mac 15cc pipe). So what's the problem??? Can any pro noise guy out there post a LEGITIMATE reason (besides they don't like being told what to do) as to why this can't be done?? A little tip to the readers- don't hold your breath waiting.......

 

[Tony Jacuzzi]

I wish I had received my December Roostertail so I could chime in.. LOL I guess TJ

 

[Randy Rapedius]

Tony ... My Roostertail just arrived the other day. You know how long it take our poor postal workers to deliver the mail in the 6 foot deep snow using dog sled. LOL.

IMPBA District 1 has set a 95 dB limit this year with the hope to go to 92 dB in 2005. Some of us can't wait for IMPBA.

FYI ............................. Randy

 

[Russell Bear]

Don, Your comment (QUIET IS NOT SLOW!! ) got me thinking......Not being able to run at all would sure make for quiet boat ponds .

 

[Don Ferrette]

Don, Your comment (QUIET IS NOT SLOW!! ) got me thinking......Not being able to run at all would sure make for quiet boat ponds .

Now THAT'S a profound statement Russell. You can be quiet 2 ways, quiet the boats down now or perhaps one day find yourself sitting quietly by the pond thinking how you used to be able to run boats there........ <_<

And for the ones out there who will want to say "we don't have a problem at our pond", well maybe you don't for now. Or maybe you never will, but take a moment & think about the REST of the boaters out there. Let the playing field be a LEVEL one for ALL & stop being so SELFISH......... :angry:

 

[Don Ferrette]

I wish I had received my December Roostertail so I could chime in.. LOL I guess TJ

Hey T-

you can go to the site & read it- http://www.impba.net/

 

[_laxmasta2039]

im thinking/hoping eventually as more and more people catch on that its not "optional" to quiet a boat when loud boats and annoying boaters= end of pond use, im sure more and more pipe manufacturers will make only quiet pipes. and those that dont will be contacting people like mike t about buying bulk mufflers.

if the demand is almost exclusively for quieter pipes, then the supply should be also....the longer it takes the more ponds we lose

"giving some time for people to experiment with low-cost ways" is complete BS.

if we care so much about saving that 25$ that is the difference between quiet pipe and normal pipe costs, or the 25$ that t-mod mufflers cost, why doesnt IMPBA make a rule to limit nitro % to lower than 40? because nobody minds paying the extra money for thier boats to go a little faster. so why do people care SO much about the extra 25$ to preserve the race sites? :angry:

why dont we take away the ruler requiring safety netting or roping off of hot pit areas if that extra little bit matters so much? after all that's only there for safety, and to help insure we keep the race sites? because it would be dumb and irresponsible, just like not requiring mufflers.

okay there ive said my peice on this,

ill shut up now. B)

 

[Don Ferrette]

Well said Joe. B)

 

[John Equi]

Thanks for your comments Don, BUT, I had a deadline for the December Roostertail of October 27th. At that time the Board was in the talking stages of sound limits, and was getting ready for a phone conference. Pat called for the phone meet to be held on November 18th. The directors had a long discussion about noise db levels and requested I put a first draft together, along with several other items. I also told them I would introduce the draft in the March Roostertail. The draft was sent to Pat for final acceptance, so the first part of the sound measure is done. After everyone sees it in March we can massage it and improve it if needed. I have already found a problem and have another draft ready to send to Pat. If the Board desires we can have a ballot appear in June, if not, then it can show up in September. You have to realize that all the membership needs to actually read the information concerning this new db limit before we spring a ballot. Pat is on top of this item and gave us all a hint of his plans in his Presidents Message and even mentioned that local clubs can set a noise limit right now. We only meet a few times a year, so things may appear to be moving at a slow pace, with the Roostertail being the primary information source. In reality, things are moving quite quickly compared to a few years ago. The Roostertail will always be "after the latest talk" due to the publishing time requirements, printing and mailings.

Keep those comments coming,

John in Huntsville

 

[Don Ferrette]

Thanks for your input John, that clears things some, but I was still completely surprised to see, "in print", you commenting that we don't need a dB limit yet. You as much as anyone, knows how long it takes to implement things like rule changes in the current IMPBA proccess. Geez, look at how long it took to fix a typo in the "A" engine class!! With you being one of the more technically oriented boaters out there you know how it's not "rocket science" using the mufflers & Q pipes. The problem we have is the current rule sucks, too many people CHEATING it and that is completely UNFAIR to those who are choosing to follow it's INTENT. You want to see INNOVATION then set the dB limit and watch what people do to meet it. Innovation comes from working within rules & guidelines, you want an example, look at NASCAR, or Indy, or Formula 1. Hell, look at ANY form of racing! The object is to go as fast as you can while staying within the rules wether it's race cars or r/c boats. Take a look at some of the new pipes that have come out recently for a perfect example. This issue didn't just surface, it's been on the table for quite some time. I bet Dick Tyndall is laughing his *ss off right now as he was smart enough to see this coming 5 years ago but almost nobody believed him. Bottom line is this, it's time for the board to get off thier duff & get this done & in an accelerated format. While things might be happening "faster" than before, it is still at a snail's pace. We have already shown thru VOTING that the MAJORITY of the IMPBA is IN FAVOR of quieting the boats. And since this is a DEMOCRACY where things are decided by the MAJORITY, it's time to stop being swayed, slowed, etc by the MINORITY who still want to fight this. It amounts to being selfish & caring more for personal wants than what's best for the boating community as a GROUP. So why should I support this as none of the race sites I run at in district 12 have any current noise issues?? Simple, there are MANY sites that do & it needs to be fair to ALL, that's just plain good sportsmanship. The playing field needs to be a LEVEL ONE that has a clear ENFORCIBLE rule so it's FAIR to ALL since EVERYONE will have to abide by the same RULE. <_<

 

[mark poole]

Don...You need to reread the first 5 lines of John's post. The board is there to keep just two or three people from making decisions that wil effect all of us everywhere in the country. A strict db limit put in force right now would cause problems for THIS race season and do more harm than good. There are a lot of people that have jumped into to this hobby/sport in recent years that only see $$$$$ signs. Just like the lap count system. Somebody throws up their hand, "umm excuse me, umm, guys, i just happen to have a system that i will sell you for $$$K. Wonder how many of you that want the db limit under 90 are waiting to pounce. Why don't you take your greed and go find something else to do with your spare time.