Gun Control OR

[Glenn Gates]

Hang in there Gene, Even "zombies" will run out of cash sooner or later and if people refuse to buy at inflated prices at gun shows things will get back to normal.

 

[Glenn Gates]

Just read some comentary about Jim Carrey(Dumb and Dumber). And his attack on Charlton Heston.I think Mr Carrey should put on a pair of combat boots for at least 2 years before he open's his mouth again.

 

[Jerry T]

Last week at Cabela's all I could find was 45 auto & very little 40 S&W, no 9mm

 

[Slideblues]

Jerry yea, I've tried two Bass Pro Shops, Academy Sports, all the Walmarts in a 50 mi radius plus pawn / gunshops........

No 9mm, some 06 and 7mm mag, shotshells a smidge of 357 mag thats it.

Gene

 

[Don Ferrette]

Last week at Cabela's all I could find was 45 auto & very little 40 S&W, no 9mm

No .45 auto locally, sucks big time.

 

[Jerry T]

I received this from a good friend. Not the person mentioned in the following. It's starting to look really scary out there.

The quote from an alleged insider in the industry, for what it is worth:

"You may not know this but George Soros owns most of the ammunition manufacturing companies and many arms manufacturers as well. He's selling ONLY to the government right now, per WH & DHS orders.

My son works for ATK, who owns just about all the rest of the ammunition companies that Soros doesn't own. He tells me that ATK has been ordered by the federal government to curtail sales of ammunition, primers and powder to the retail market.

What you see currently on the shelves is old stock and what’s left in the warehouses since the CT shootings and new stock will NOT be appearing anytime soon.

ATK and Soros' companies have more than enough government contracts to keep them going for years to come. Like Soros’ companies, ATK is a huge defense contractor and they've been told to sell ONLY to the DOD, TSA, FBI, DHS and local/federal law enforcement agencies. This is VERY scary and VERY ominous for what's coming down the pike in the future.

My son has seen the proposed pricing schedule for Federal, CCI, Hornady, Remington, Winchester and several other ammunition manufacturer's lines of ammunition, components, reloading equipment (ATK owns Outers, RCBS, Hoppe and a host of others) and he's flabbergasted!

As an example, when the sales of .22 LR bulk ammo resumes, the pricing will be over $50.00 for a 535-round Value Pak! That's nearly a dime-a-shot!! They're also going to raise the prices by 300 - 400% on dies, presses, powder measures and the like.

He's in management there at ATK in Salt Lake City and they're NOT happy with it at all! They firmly believe this will basically shut-down the civilian market while leaving the government as the only purchaser of their products.

He saw the government pricing for the centerfire ammunition they've been stockpiling and their prices have actually dropped from a year ago so the feds are buying this stuff REAL cheap while we can’t even get our hands on it at all!

 

[Glenn Gates]

Would this be considered unconstitunal? Or just REALLY RUDE?

 

[Slideblues]

I believe that falls under the " Dewey,Screw'm and Howe" clause.........

Gene

 

[Jerry T]

Cabela's today lots of Winchester 40 S&W 100 FMJ value packs $39.99, if you call that value(in todays market I will call it that), lots of 45, but not top of the line brand,

no 9mm.

I had to get rid of a $50,00 gift card.

 

[Glenn Gates]

Gene, Did that cause originate from the law firm of Nixon, Clinton & Kennedy (trickum dickum and dunkum)?

 

[Slideblues]

:lol: That could be........

Gene

 

[Glenn Gates]

Just read a report that states the Dept. of Homeland Security has a contract to buy 1.6 BILLION rounds of ammo over the next 5 years(and thats only one Agency). Now thats a lot of target practice folks. I no longer think it's panic buying by the public.

 

[Glenn Gates]

Also heard that Alliant Techsystems has a 450 Million round contract with the govt. this year and it could be extended for another 4 years. Why would the Dept of Homeland Security be stockpiling ammo when they do not fight outside of our own country?

 

[Ron Olson]

Easy. They're buying up the ammo, that it will drive up prices and make it harder for civilians to get any as they'll be busy making it for the government.

 

[Jerry T]

They are buying hollow point 9mm. Hollow point bullets are not to be used according to the Geneva Convention in warfare with other countries. So who do you think they will use it on? I really think this government is way out of control. I really hope that you guys can say that I am off my rocker in the next couple years, until then...you can decide for yourselves.

 

[Glenn Gates]

It's not just 9MM hollow point, A lot of 223, 40 S&W, 357 Sig, and 308 win. H.P. match ammo. And what are they gonna do with 1/2 mil rounds of 00 Buck and slugs- go on a deer hunt at camp David?

 

[Glenn Gates]

Easy. They're buying up the ammo, that it will drive up prices and make it harder for civilians to get any as they'll be busy making it for the government.

You have to admit- briliant plan- use peoples tax dollars to buy up all the ammo. Without ever stepping on anyones second amendment rights.

 

[Bill Gibson]

Ive kinda stayed away from this one.....i might have posted something awhile back, but i just cant remember, too many to look thru to see if i did or not, but.....it seems to me this topic is just another example of why this country is slowly coming apart at the seams.....the far right wants us to be able to arm ourselves with any and as many leathal weapons as we want which is insane and dangerous....the body count over the last 10 to 15 years is proof of that......and the far left doesnt want us to have any weapons at all to simply be able to protect our families and ourselves, which is ABSURD! I own a gun....not crazy about it , but i do....hope ill never have to use it, but i would...if i had to....i do know this, if i had to kill someone to protect my family, or myself, i would never be the same...even if i was 100% justified in my actions, i would be changed for the rest of my life...the ones who scare me are those who say it wouldnt bother them one bit....ive known people in the military who have killed our enemies and were perfectly right in doing so who told me that even with all the training they had, when it actually happened, it changed them forever....that they would carry that with them for the rest of thier lives. Maybe thats my flaw as a human being....im in the middle, and i believe that compromise can accomplish many good things in this country....im no pacifist, but nor am i a macho, arrogant alpha male type either....God knows weve got enough of those these days. Just somewhere in the middle, which seems to be a bad fit in these times. God, it seems like this whole country is obsessed with extremism..just turn on the TV....Extreme Chef, Extreme Makeover, Extreme Fishing, etc, etc, etc......i wonder whats next? extreme yard work? Plumbing? Coffee? Its not easy to be so simple minded in such complicated times.....! God help our children and our Grand children...i wish i had the answer....unfortunatly all i can do is the same as many others...just ramble on and see if it makes me feel better or not.......!

 

[Don Ferrette]

If I go to the grave only ever using my firearms at the range or out somewhere in the country target plinking with friends I'll die a very happy man. However one would have to pretty numb to reality not to wonder why our government agencies that are 100% DOMESTIC based have been buying incredible amounts of ammo since 2009. And it's not just DHS @ 1.6 billion rounds, IRS just ordered a couple million, so did FEMA and even Social Security bought 750,000 rounds in January. Social Security??? What, are they afraid grandpa Jones is gonna beat them to death with his walker?? And why are these same agencies flat out refusing to answer Q's about these purchases even from members of Congress?? What happened to that promise made in 2008 about how this administration and all it's actions would be the most transparent ever?? Seriously though I have friends in the military and law enforcement and even they don't like what they are seeing with these domestic government ammo purchases and more so for the TYPE of ammo, these agencies are buying mostly hollow point rounds. Hollow points are not even supposed to be used during wartime as per the Geneva Convention because of the damage they do to a human body. I don't know of any licensed ranges indoor or out that allows hollow points to be shot due to the high risk of fragmentation if they hit something solid. Don't kid yourselves folks as these purchases aren't for practicing, h/p tipped rounds are designed to do one thing and that's kill, period. So call me paranoid but I sure as hell don't like what I'm seeing...........

 

[Jerry T]

Maybe this will help explain things.