raptor347
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Bill,
I understand the intent, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.
Essentially you're saying you as a club developed and pushed forward a rule set in complete ignorance of how things actually get done in the organization outside your club. You also stated that it's up to smarter individuals to figure out how to actually make it work. When you get input from people with years of national level competition experience stating that the rule set has problems, you blow them off with "The rule is the rule. If it requires teching well let’s leave that to the experts".
As one of the "experts" that get to have all the fun of unwinding this bucket of worms, I truly wish you guys had done a bit more research outside your club. Your rule set has as many holes in it as P-ltd with a few new ones added. My input on P-ltd 10 years ago was that it should never be a national class, we've been trying to unravel that hairball for 10 years. I know I talked to Bob Bracket at the 2015 nats about the parts of your club rules that just wouldn't work at the national level. What it comes down to is good club rules aren't detailed enough to make good national level rules. If you don't have the experience at the upper levels of competition, details that are important in the grand scheme get missed. The knowledge base was there if you guys had reached out.
You've blown off many of your "experts" in this thread when they've stated their concerns, including two past national champions (one a multi time winner) that travel to national events across the country. These are racers with 15-20 years of experience in what does and doesn't work in FE. The racers that did all the difficult development early on as the technology came into existence in the hobby. Racers that not only run 1/8 scale but all the FE classes, quite a few run gas and nitro too. To be honest you guys got into FE only after it became pretty easy to put a system together and have it run reliably.
What's bothering me is you guys didn't do your homework. The result is I and the other "experts" get to spend a bunch of time cleaning up the mess. Why didn't you call the "experts" in the first place?
The vote was 371 to 157. Closer to 2:1 than 4:1. I think with a little education as to what the actual effects of this rule change were going to be, the numbers would be different.
I understand the intent, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.
Essentially you're saying you as a club developed and pushed forward a rule set in complete ignorance of how things actually get done in the organization outside your club. You also stated that it's up to smarter individuals to figure out how to actually make it work. When you get input from people with years of national level competition experience stating that the rule set has problems, you blow them off with "The rule is the rule. If it requires teching well let’s leave that to the experts".
As one of the "experts" that get to have all the fun of unwinding this bucket of worms, I truly wish you guys had done a bit more research outside your club. Your rule set has as many holes in it as P-ltd with a few new ones added. My input on P-ltd 10 years ago was that it should never be a national class, we've been trying to unravel that hairball for 10 years. I know I talked to Bob Bracket at the 2015 nats about the parts of your club rules that just wouldn't work at the national level. What it comes down to is good club rules aren't detailed enough to make good national level rules. If you don't have the experience at the upper levels of competition, details that are important in the grand scheme get missed. The knowledge base was there if you guys had reached out.
You've blown off many of your "experts" in this thread when they've stated their concerns, including two past national champions (one a multi time winner) that travel to national events across the country. These are racers with 15-20 years of experience in what does and doesn't work in FE. The racers that did all the difficult development early on as the technology came into existence in the hobby. Racers that not only run 1/8 scale but all the FE classes, quite a few run gas and nitro too. To be honest you guys got into FE only after it became pretty easy to put a system together and have it run reliably.
What's bothering me is you guys didn't do your homework. The result is I and the other "experts" get to spend a bunch of time cleaning up the mess. Why didn't you call the "experts" in the first place?
The vote was 371 to 157. Closer to 2:1 than 4:1. I think with a little education as to what the actual effects of this rule change were going to be, the numbers would be different.