where has all the NItro gone

[Tim Kish]

I don't know about a hostile takeover but Huskqvarna has bought a nice hunk of Kamatso/Zenoah.

It's already done Husqvarna officially took over on April 2nd of last year. It will be business as usual other than a few managerial name changes- http://www.rentalpulse.com/article.asp?ARTID=4242

Don't be supprised if they move operations to China , Husqvarna is another company to jump on the cheap labour band wagon.

Hopefully it won't hurt the quality of the engines.

Tim K

 

[Lay26]

I got one other thing to add.Ever tried buying parts for you older MAC or CMB?Kinda a bad deal as you cant buy them.Whats wrong with nitro if you got a engine that needs parts your out of luck.Wonder why im selling off my MAC engines.Your other choice is to buy new.Now that the current Gas engines no problem getting parts.You can buy them from almost any hobby shop.Theres Goped shops and your boat suppliers.Nitro needs more dealers with parts.So i got a engine that needs a piston and sleeve guess i cant get one so i have to buy a new engine.THATS WHATS WRONG WITH NITRO.

looks like i stired up an ants nest :lol: you made a good point but i would disagre on one part of it , it is my understanding that while some of the parts for Mac motor have dried up a bit andy is working to bring them up to speed , as far as Cmb there are alot of people that are dealers and correct me if im wrong i think that most of the parts are interchangeable from the 04 motors on, there are also individuals on this board that can help you with certain specialty needs. yes your point that the gas parts are more readily avaible is valid. but how bad do you want to run the nitro stuff? take me for e.g i have two hr 45 motors and tthey would have run me close to a 1000 but i got them at some really good prices and paid way less than that , beacuse i searched them outi found some good deals. the other thing is that people don't like to work they want all the glory without the pain of trail and error they want eveything ready done don't you know there 's a price to be paid for convience i believe that if we did a few things ourselfves we can keep our operating cost down , for e.g last summer i distroyed a 45 rigger that i have i need some parts and i could get them fast enough so i resorted to making them my self and this is the same boat i'll be racing next week at the winter nats, the things i cant make like the carbon boom tubes i bought and all it cost me is about $26 some glue and some time. i like racing nitro riggers and i see that i'm not going to be able to do that much over here and that one of the reasons i'm traveling to FL i guess when i get older i'll stop

 

[Richard Dahlheimer]

I don't know about a hostile takeover but Huskqvarna has bought a nice hunk of Kamatso/Zenoah.

It's already done Husqvarna officially took over on April 2nd of last year. It will be business as usual other than a few managerial name changes- <a href="http://www.rentalpulse.com/article.asp?ARTID=4242" target="_blank">http://www.rentalpulse.com/article.asp?ARTID=4242</a>

Don't be supprised if they move operations to China , Husqvarna is another company to jump on the cheap labour band wagon.

Hopefully it won't hurt the quality of the engines.

Tim K

Inorder to build model marine engines in house, it will take a bunch more equipment than just a Mazak. Heat treating, chrome plating, id and od grinding, plus inspection equipment. If this equipment isnt in house, the chroming, grinding etc. will have to be farmed out. Its going to be a real fine line here, in order to make a honest buck. CMB has been building engines for years, and most likely has much manufacturing equipment in house. If there would have been a profit to be had, i believe cmdi would have had MAC replacement parts available, months ago. Richard D

 

[Don Ferrette]

Inorder to build model marine engines in house, it will take a bunch more equipment than just a Mazak. Heat treating, chrome plating, id and od grinding, plus inspection equipment. If this equipment isnt in house, the chroming, grinding etc. will have to be farmed out. Its going to be a real fine line here, in order to make a honest buck. CMB has been building engines for years, and most likely has much manufacturing equipment in house. If there would have been a profit to be had, i believe cmdi would have had MAC replacement parts available, months ago. Richard D

Sorry Richard and please take no offense, but you don't have a clue on this one. You are correct on the chroming & grinding (you forgot hardening ) but if you had any idea how much CMB actually "farms out" to other vendors it might shock you. When I said that "little shack in Italy" I wasn't joking as I've seen pictures of the CMB "factory" and most basic automated machine shops here in the states are bigger than they are. As far as CMDi making parts, do you have any idea what it takes to write a program for the MAZAK even for something simple? It's not as easy as many seem to think it is..........

 

[Tim Kish]

I don't know about a hostile takeover but Huskqvarna has bought a nice hunk of Kamatso/Zenoah.

It's already done Husqvarna officially took over on April 2nd of last year. It will be business as usual other than a few managerial name changes- <a href="http://www.rentalpulse.com/article.asp?ARTID=4242" target="_blank">http://www.rentalpulse.com/article.asp?ARTID=4242</a>

Don't be supprised if they move operations to China , Husqvarna is another company to jump on the cheap labour band wagon.

Hopefully it won't hurt the quality of the engines.

Tim K

Inorder to build model marine engines in house, it will take a bunch more equipment than just a Mazak. Heat treating, chrome plating, id and od grinding, plus inspection equipment. If this equipment isnt in house, the chroming, grinding etc. will have to be farmed out. Its going to be a real fine line here, in order to make a honest buck. CMB has been building engines for years, and most likely has much manufacturing equipment in house. If there would have been a profit to be had, i believe cmdi would have had MAC replacement parts available, months ago. Richard D

Not sure what you are getting at here Richard (no offense) but if you think China is not capable of doing the work you are sadly mistaken.

Tim K

 

[Richard Dahlheimer]

Inorder to build model marine engines in house, it will take a bunch more equipment than just a Mazak. Heat treating, chrome plating, id and od grinding, plus inspection equipment. If this equipment isnt in house, the chroming, grinding etc. will have to be farmed out. Its going to be a real fine line here, in order to make a honest buck. CMB has been building engines for years, and most likely has much manufacturing equipment in house. If there would have been a profit to be had, i believe cmdi would have had MAC replacement parts available, months ago. Richard D

Sorry Richard and please take no offense, but you don't have a clue on this one. You are correct on the chroming & grinding (you forgot hardening ) but if you had any idea how much CMB actually "farms out" to other vendors it might shock you. When I said that "little shack in Italy" I wasn't joking as I've seen pictures of the CMB "factory" and most basic automated machine shops here in the states are bigger than they are. As far as CMDi making parts, do you have any idea what it takes to write a program for the MAZAK even for something simple? It's not as easy as many seem to think it is..........

Don, i did not forget hardening. I used the term heat treating. lol I worked in the machining trade for 30 years, so i have a pretty good understanding on what it takes to make parts. I never wrote programs for a Mazak. So, i guess for the time being, we will have to put up with the shack in Italy for our engines. Richard D

 

[Don Ferrette]

Don, i did not forget hardening. I used the term heat treating. lol I worked in the machining trade for 30 years, so i have a pretty good understanding on what it takes to make parts. I never wrote programs for a Mazak. So, i guess for the time being, we will have to put up with the shack in Italy for our engines. Richard D

Hey it's all good my friend but between CMDi & the Pas brothers the light soon might get a little brighter at the end of the tunnel.

 

[carlnoki]

i myself, realy enjoy the nitro side of the house, always have. i dont do the gas side due to the odor. ( heck, i hate filling the mower tank............)

as far as the little shack in Italia, over the years i took notice that they were changing motor models JUST LIKE PICCO was before they stop production. i have enough spares for the little Green Head 21, Valvola green and 90 motors to last quite a few years.

i do hope that both the US manufacturers that are getting ready to hit the water with motors do their best ( i am sure they will) and also hope that they will have a great product when the manufacturing hits the start date.

it would also be nice if our all mighty (READ: P.O.S.) Dollar was as good as it was a while back. But that is day dreaming,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

anyways,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just give me more NITRO,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

have a great one folks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

and stay warm in the these winter months

carl

 

[AndyBrown]

Inorder to build model marine engines in house, it will take a bunch more equipment than just a Mazak. Heat treating, chrome plating, id and od grinding, plus inspection equipment. If this equipment isnt in house, the chroming, grinding etc. will have to be farmed out. Its going to be a real fine line here, in order to make a honest buck. CMB has been building engines for years, and most likely has much manufacturing equipment in house. If there would have been a profit to be had, i believe cmdi would have had MAC replacement parts available, months ago. Richard D

Sorry Richard and please take no offense, but you don't have a clue on this one. You are correct on the chroming & grinding (you forgot hardening ) but if you had any idea how much CMB actually "farms out" to other vendors it might shock you. When I said that "little shack in Italy" I wasn't joking as I've seen pictures of the CMB "factory" and most basic automated machine shops here in the states are bigger than they are. As far as CMDi making parts, do you have any idea what it takes to write a program for the MAZAK even for something simple? It's not as easy as many seem to think it is..........

Don, i did not forget hardening. I used the term heat treating. lol I worked in the machining trade for 30 years, so i have a pretty good understanding on what it takes to make parts. I never wrote programs for a Mazak. So, i guess for the time being, we will have to put up with the shack in Italy for our engines. Richard D

CMB only does turning and milling.

Casting, Heat treat, grinding, chroming, anodizing, pipe and header work and some carb fitting parts are sourced out.

Picco has done/does some work for them.

We are doing grinding in house at CMDi.

 

[Glenn 787]

Hey it's all good my friend but between CMDi & the Pas brothers the light soon might get a little brighter at the end of the tunnel.

Who are the Pas brothers?

 

[Don Ferrette]

Hey it's all good my friend but between CMDi & the Pas brothers the light soon might get a little brighter at the end of the tunnel.

Who are the Pas brothers?

http://www.intlwaters.com/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=218211

B)

 

[jpas]

Hey it's all good my friend but between CMDi & the Pas brothers the light soon might get a little brighter at the end of the tunnel.

Who are the Pas brothers?

http://www.intlwaters.com/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=218211

B)

Hi Don, thanks for your support. We are making everything in-house except for the bearings and chroming. We are playing around with a Nikasil plating on the sleeves that looks very interesting.

I will post updates in the near future.

-Jason

 

[robertpickard]

Pas brothers are up from Toronto Can.

 

[Scott Norris]

I know where all the Nitro went. It's right out here in my shop and I LOVE IT!!! :lol:

 

[Mark Poole ModVP]

Yeah since it was a question........it's all here. Got more nitro boats than we know what to do with.

 

[BigChuck]

Who are the PAS Brothers.................I still have tape from 2000. The were MY reason for a 90 CMB twin................I still run that tape just to make sure I an in the ball park.

"Talk about controled AGGRESSION" and on the BOUYS!!! :lol: :lol:

 

[Don Ferrette]

Hey it's all good my friend but between CMDi & the Pas brothers the light soon might get a little brighter at the end of the tunnel.

Who are the Pas brothers?

<a href="http://www.intlwaters.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=218211" target="_blank">http://www.intlwaters.com/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=218211</a>

B)

Hi Don, thanks for your support. We are making everything in-house except for the bearings and chroming. We are playing around with a Nikasil plating on the sleeves that looks very interesting.

I will post updates in the near future.

-Jason

Absolutely Jason, hope everything goes well for you and Steve. BTW- how's that 3M trim tape holding up?

 

[Mark Bullard]

Who are the PAS Brothers.................I still have tape from 2000. The were MY reason for a 90 CMB twin................I still run that tape just to make sure I an in the ball park.
"Talk about controled AGGRESSION" and on the BOUYS!!! :lol: :lol:

Yep thats a good one. I met Jason and Steve at the 95 Bartow Internats. I think it was there first one to attend. Ask them what happen when they were chasing my Twin in a race with their Twin. We still laugh about that when we see each other.

 

[jpas]

Who are the PAS Brothers.................I still have tape from 2000. The were MY reason for a 90 CMB twin................I still run that tape just to make sure I an in the ball park.
"Talk about controled AGGRESSION" and on the BOUYS!!! :lol: :lol:

Yep thats a good one. I met Jason and Steve at the 95 Bartow Internats. I think it was there first one to attend. Ask them what happen when they were chasing my Twin in a race with their Twin. We still laugh about that when we see each other.

My memory is of that race is fuzzy, was I lapping you or chasing you :lol:

 

[F.Orlic]

As far as CMDi making parts, do you have any idea what it takes to write a program for the MAZAK even for something simple? It's not as easy as many seem to think it is..........

I think you are dead wrong about that Don, I've worked with people who did nothing but programing and setup and they all swear by Mazatrol. Much easier and simpler than G codes.

Key to CNC machining is having a great programer/operator and lot of tooling and niether comes cheap.