Phantom & Phantom II

[timothy johnson]

Not to beat a dead horse on the paint subject, but all the two part paint systems contain " Isocyanates" which are harmful to humans. One last bit of caution would be to pregnent women who must stay away from the fumes. Many companies along with the US Military do not alow pregnent women to work around these chemicals. Tim

 

[JeffEvans]

Hi Tim, I couldn't agree with you more...but to keep from sidetracking his thread I promise I'll start a thread soon on painting. I'll answer all questions to the best of my ability ( except rattle cans ).

Joe is right, everyone has their own point of view and opinions and with some of the peeing contests I've seen on different forums...I hope it doesn't go this way.

You know we are all here for one reason... the love of RC boating. Nitro, gas and FE or what ever your passion. Even with the competition on the water, banks and some forums....I dare say that there is not one of us whom wouldn't help a fellow boater in a time of need. We are a brotherhood, what some people see as toys, junk etc. we share a common bond.

I only got involved because of what Andy said about Imron and there are a lot of people that just don't know the dangers of painting.

After a trip to the ER in May...if I can help prevent ( or at least caution others ) I'll feel it wasn't for no reason. Keep in mind I'm a career painter.

With that being said...thanks Joe for the kind and encouraging words.

 

[JOEBISHOP]

You're welcome Jeff! Hey, what are you going to start your forum with, a rigger, v hull, tunnel, etc? I tell you what I would like to see, a shovel nose unlimited although my all time favorite is the 1973 Ron Jones built Pay N Pack called the "Winged Wonder"! Those boats were sssoooo pretty! What ever it is, I am sure I will enjoy it. GO FOR IT DUDE! Joe

 

[KenOlvis]

So much for paint! I hope tomorrow I will be able to post pictures of the completed construction of the ULTRA kit, PHANTOM II A1/2A boat (.12 boat). No paint but the wood completed. Shortly there after post pictures of the ELITE ,12 boat. Even though they are essentially the same boat, they look very different while both retaining the side profile of the original PHANTOM. Again, my original intention was to bring back the PHANTOM in an updated configuration and to loose it's signature side profile would be a crime to me.

In a week or so, I will post a drawing of the .21 boat. Although it will look very similar, it does have distinct differences. Later! Joe

Coolbeans Joe appears all things are coming together boat design hardware for the .12 Looking forward to seeing the Phantom II with its hat on.

Then the build of the .21 an .67

This topic with almost 10,000 views in a short time there's great interest.I'm looking forward to getting them wet.

DRV2WIN

Ken

 

[JOEBISHOP]

Hi Guys

OK, here is the first step of our experiment to see how much weight is added by coating your boat with epoxy resin. I have piled all the wood parts of the PHANTOM II A1/2A, ultra kit on the scales (see photos below). As you can see, all of the wood parts to the boat weighs 1 lb 2.2 oz. I will now add 2 coats of epoxy resin, sanding between coats, and final sand the boat in preparation for paint. Once I have it ready to paint, I will weigh all the wood parts again and we will see what the difference is. I have already coated the whole inside of the boat with 2 coats of epoxy resin, so this will not be a factor in the weight difference. Later! Joe

 

[KenOlvis]

Joe

Great looking cowl design This is the first sneek peek of the Ultra cowl built.

DRV2WIN

Ken

 

[LarryBeals]

Where did you get your scale

 

[JOEBISHOP]

Hi Larry

My wife bought it on Ebay about 9 years ago. It was app. $30.00. She can't remember who it was bought from, sorry. Joe

 

[JOEBISHOP]

Hi Larry, I'm Joe's wife. Go to eBay and put in the search engine "My Weigh UltraShip Electronic Scale". The one I purchased is a 30 pound scale. I quickly looked at prices and they appear about the same, 30 pound scales run around $30, 45 pound scales run around $45.00. The nice thing about this scale is the face plate is detachable. If you are weighing something wide (that would cover up the display screen preventing you from reading it) you just unhook the face and place it farther away and you're good to go! The scale also comes with two holders you can use on top--one to hold a round (shipping) tube and another that you can stand envelopes in so you can put the correct postage on them. Both are convenient accessories. Angela

 

[JOEBISHOP]

Hey Guys

See photos below for the first images of the finished PHANTOM II A1/2A ULTRA kit. The boat is completely built and rigged but does not have epoxy resin and paint on the outside. In the first photos you can see that it only weighs 2 lbs 7.4 oz. I piled the receiver, battery, switch, etc in the radio compartment so the weight would be accurate. The only things that are missing is a tuned pipe clamp and a few screws. Also there is a photo showing the boat balancing on a wedge of foam. The CG is just behind the rear point of the turn fin so it should turn out good. I will now finish sanding and filling all the parts and get them ready for it's final finish and graphics. After doing the graphics, I will clear coat the whole boat to preserve the graphics. When I offer the kits, I will also be offering a graphics package (sold separately) in several different colors. Anyway Guys, take a look and let me know what you think. Joe

 

[TimothyJones]

Where did you get your scale

Really Nice Guys

That is the same scale i have 35lb and use it for shipping.It is a very good scale, I check calibration often, still accurate to a few grams. I got mine off e-bay as well.

I think the company was old will knotts scales.

Tim

 

[JOEBISHOP]

OK, it has been brought to my attention that I have the tuned pipe on the wrong side. First let me say that I am not used to the tuned pipe coming out the side of the cowl. The larger PHANTOM II boats will have the completely cowled in tuned pipe. My thinking on the placement of the tuned pipe was to place it on the inside of the turn thus placing the weight on the inside as well. I understand the principals of a tuned pipe or expansion chamber and the need for it to stay hot. Everything you do is a "catch 22". You give to get! I really think that these small tuned pipes hanging over the side of the boat are going to get wet regardless of what you do.

I am not completely satisfied with the cowling on the A1/2A, ULTRA kit so time to redesign it. I will go with the most accepted method and move the tuned pipe to the left side. Also, I can lower the cowl by 1/4" as I have lowered the engine from my original design. Another thing is that the widest part of the cat's eye shape is forward of where it needs to be for engine cylinder and head clearance. Joe

 

[KenOlvis]

Im for leaving as is!!!

Pipe on Left or right both ways has its advantages.

Novarossi makes a great performance.12 as do some others for cars.

Would be nice if they made the Marine .12 exhaust over the flywheel. As they have done with the larger engines.

LOOKS GREAT.

DRV2WIN

Ken

 

[steve wood]

Always run nova with pipe on right side. Wouldn't ever put it on the left

 

[DON MAHER]

Why?

Don

 

[Christian Lucas]

Think This way . On the right side the pipe will heat the air and this expansion will force the boat in a left hand counter of the propwalk .

So the right side is the better side as the ruder has less to do with the propwalk . And now i will stear with a tablespon in my coffecup to see the latest news .

 

[shoboat]

Christian,

You can put the pipe on either side of the boat, it is personal preference.

I like it on the left for a couple of reasons:

Easier to launch the boat from the right side of the tub.

Does not cool the pipe much on the left side, but we insulate our pipes anyways.

The boat if built right would have adjustable front sponsons

so you can fine tune the angle of attack. Also with a little less

angle on the left sponson you will not have any prop walk period.

I like the fuel on the right side on all my boats, and the vent on the left side.

Everything lays out better for me on the left side that is all. I have had a few

boats with pipes on the right side and it just seems awkward to me. I usually

run front exhaust engines so the pipe runs straight out the back of the boat anyways.

It is just fun to get out of the propeller shop once a week and run some of my boats.

Thanks For Reading,

Mark Sholund

 

[DON MAHER]

Think This way . On the right side the pipe will heat the air and this expansion will force the boat in a left hand counter of the propwalk

Now that is funny! LOL

Don

 

[JOEBISHOP]

Hey Guys, just after posting my last comments about the cowling and tuned pipe, Ken Olvis called me and said "NO NO NO DON'T CHANGE THE COWL"! Well, in that it is Ken's boat, I will leave the cowl as is, at least on his boat. As for the tuned pipe being on the right side, I have received a lot of PMs on the subject and I really think it is a personal preference. I like placing the weight on the inside of the turn but if you build a PHANTOM II kit, it will be your preference as to which side it is placed on. I have a material called "header rap" which is a fiberglass strip material that is used to hold the heat in on race car exhausts. I may experiment with it to hold the heat inside the tuned pipe. Joe

 

[KenOlvis]

Hello Boaters

Thank you for the input an keep it coming.Everybodys input an ideas help everybody to apply an try new things. I Encourage everybody to try new things.To say one way is best test test test an then retest again.

Testing other ideas will show if there ideas are full of hot air or not

DRV2WIN

Ken