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I dont think anyone would want to put the trim tabs below the transom but it is in our rules!

Section 7.2.2 part c): "If trim tabs are used, they must be no more that (sp!) 2 mm above or below bottom surface at the intersection of bottom surface, transform (sp!!) or ride plate;"

Our rule book has just been re-done and there are a few spelling and gramatical errors in it! :p

I generally run the tabs 2mm above the bottom, it reduces the drag, but does make them a little less effective.

Ian.
 
Hey guys! What Ron said, is true here. It would put it in a hydro class in Japan.

It didn't take as much trim adjusting as I though it would yesterday, because I had done it one before, and I basically knew what I was looking for.

Putting the tabs lower than the transom would be like spitting in the wind.

Have a good day you all.

Hammer
 
Hammer,

Did you get any more speeds? What props were you running?

Dale is sending the titanium pipe over to me to try as well.

I tried my CG at 29.5cm by adding some weights to the transom and my boat was very bad in corners so I have removed the weights again.

Ian.
 
Ian,

i dont think i have ever seen the rule book enforced at a race meeting.

Hammer,

Your getting good at this mono stuff!!
 
Dale,

I dont think I have seen any boats with tabs higher than 2mm except one guy in our club, and I told him it was illegal. I do have a bit of a look at most boats tho, in case I can protest them if they beat me!! :p I would not go higher than that if I were you, you might get protested!!! ;D

Ian.
 
Strut's WILL be checked on all mono's at the Nationals .Guess what else we are now going to check for!

Tim.
 
Tim,

I hope you will be using verniers not a ruler to check that! I am not sure what tolerance there is on that measurement, but generally 10% (1/10th of the measurement) is allowed. I had better check mine again now!! :eek:

My strut is legal tho! ;D

Ian.
 
Ian! I would like to tell you the type of screw I'm using at the moment, but it is hand made. It is bigger in diameter than the X460/3 by about a centimeter, and it's pitch is 4.2 and it is a 2 blade. It is made of stainless steel. It is about the same speed as the 460 but it handles so much better. The blades have less surface by for than most screws I have seen. No more rocking and rolling, and when it jumps, it comes down flat. It was coming down on it's transom first before. It flies flat, too. It goes around the corners like a slot car now. It still gains speed and rides high in the straights though. I will post a pick soon. Kinda looks like a Prop Shop 2 blade.

Hammer
 
Hammer,

Sounds like an interesting prop, 70mm is getting quite large too!

I have that titanium pipe to try this weekend, it is a work of art! I will be testing 2 Macs pipes as well!

Ian.
 
Ian! I will take a pic of it tomorrow, and post it.

Let me know for sure, how the pipe works out.

Hammer
 
Tim, Hammer,

I finally got around to weighing my mono yesterday, 5.84 kg!! Wow, it is a lot heavier than I thought, needs to go on a diet like me! :p

Hammer,

I shall be interested to see the pic, I did not have a lot of luck with 2 blade props other than the H-31 and X467.

Ian.
 
Ian,

Was that "dry"?

Where is all the weight? Same hull / motor as hammer's but a big difference between the 2.

Tim.
 
Tim,

Yep, that's dry weight!

I run 3 servos, a 5 cell pack, a header tank, big tabs and all the links used for the radio tabs, also I have a tacho in the radio box. Plus mine is painted, and the paint job is not light! My turn fin brackets are extra chunky. I would expect that most of the rest of my hardware would be lighter (which is why I went to the effort of making it myself), but maybe the hull layup was a tad heavier too!

The difference is a lot more than I expected, I think my petrol Kingcraft was lighter! But that was a VERY light layup, unpainted, two servos (one a minature), a tiny radio box and the hardware was stuff I made for a 7.5cc boat!

Ian.
 
Hey Ian! Sounds like you do have a lot more extra stuff in your boat than I do. A heafty paint job can weigh up to 300 grams I believe, plus the extra servo and tach. I don't have any of that stuff. I like running with the bare minimum.

Dale! Got the plugs. I will try them out this week.

Thanks a bunch.

Hammer
 
Ian,

Do you adjust the trim tabs much during a race? Are adjustable tabs worth all the extra weight?

Cheers,

Tim.
 
Tim,

Simple questions, long answer! ;D

I don't adjust the tabs during a race as it is a bit too distracting while screaming around a course with a few other boats and with the JR R1 radio I am using the third channel on it is pretty slow to use, I need about 10 clicks to get a noticable difference. Just driving is enough to worry about! In testing time I play with them a fair bit, especially when I am changing props. I can change the ride of the boat on the fly and not have to bring it in to do it. You can do runs to the radar and see what difference trim makes to speed, all in one run!

If I was using an R756, which had a dial for the 3rd channel, I would probably use it more in a race. Actually it could be quite handy. Even with the tank next to the engine the weight reduction of the boat makes it ride looser near the end of the run. Also the water tends to be rougher towards the end of the race. If you had it set up right you could run your boat loose (and fast) for the start of the race when the water is calmer, get the lead, then tab it down so it is a bit safer and stays on the water when it gets lighter and the water is rougher. This would require a lot of concentration and self discipline, but may be well worth the effort! Particularly for 90 monos where the weight change is significant, the speeds are higher and you generally can't hold full throttle all the time, and the water gets quite rough. For smaller displacement boats that are slower, you can hold full throttle, the weight does not change much and the water does not get rougher in the race then the advantage is probably nullified by the extra weight and complexity.

Most mono hull designs, including Kingcrafts and Calcrafts, tend to drop the nose when they heel over for a corner. This is a problem because with an increasing vee angle at the bow, these boat dig the keel line in and the boat will "hook" in the turn, or maybe even spin. The conventional solution to this is to use split tabs, the inner tabs are adjusted for ride (wet or loose) and also for countering torque roll. The outer tabs are generally raised, and quite a bit, so that when the hull heels over in the turn the outside tab comes into contact with the water and reduces the pressure on the bow so the the bow does not dig in and cause the boat to hook.

The problem with this is that with the larger and more powerful engines the right inside tab is generally down to counteract torque and to stop the hull from blowing off the water. This tab is down far enough that it tends to over-ride the outside right tab in the corner, the boat runs to wet in the corners and tens to hook.

The Fischer's approach to this problem (from back in the Youngblood days) was to have single tabs that were radio adjustable, and to use fancy radios that could mix the rudder with the tabs, such that as the rudder was turned the tabs would come up. This potentially gives the best of both worlds, you can have the RH tab down in the straights to control the ride, but in the corners this tab came up to keep the pressure off the bow. You dont have two tabs next to each other that are fighting each other with vastly different settings. You also have the handy ability of being able to change the ride of your boat at any time.

So I built radio tabs, and bought an R1 radio which could mix the tabs. I also made my tabs go very close to the keel line, much closer than normal, so that they would be more effective in controlling the ride in a straight line. I used this for quite a while, probably about 8 months, but I finally noticed a phenomenon that was causing me to crash the boat. I noticed that I would flip or dive the boat on the exit of corners at high speed, just as I was letting off the rudder I would loose it. What was happening was, with the rudder still slightly turned the tabs were also up and the boat was no longer heeled over, so it was suddenly like I had pulled the tabs up a lot in the straights! It took me quite a while to figure out this was happening.

So now I split the tabs, the outer ones are fixed, and the inner ones are radio adjustable but are no longer mixed. They no longer really need to be radio adjustable as they are not mixed anymore, but I left them adjustable as all the hardware was already on the boat to do it! I am thinking of getting an R756 radio again to make it worth while having the tabs so I can use them as I described at the start.

There. Phew! That is why I have radio tabs, and that is what they could be useful for! If I had it all to do again would I bother? No, probably not. Since the radio tabs are all custom made it is a lot of work to get a system going that is realiable and does not kill the servo if you spin or flip.

I hope that answers your question! ;D

Ian.
 
Hammer execlent let me know what you think.,

Ian,

bloody hell that would have taken me hours to write!! LOL
 
Here is ians hardware guys

xmono8.jpg
 
Dale,

Not hours, but almost an hour! :p

The hardware shown in the pic is the original configuration of radio tabs, ie before I split them and fixed the outer tabs. Since then I have a slightly larger rudder, and split the tabs.

My picture was cleverly angled (actually not deliberatly!) so you cant see the shape of the tabs. However you can get an idea of the shape by looking at the shadow on the boat stand. Unusual shape... ;D

Ian.
 
Sorry I asked you the question Ian ;D I didn't think I'd get such a detailed response ;D

I don't use a R1 so forgive me if this seems like a dumb question.

Can you put delay on the 3rd channel mix so that the boat has exited the turn completely (rudder straightened) before the tab angle changes? Might help with the problem you described.

Cheers,

Tim.
 
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