IMPBA DB NOISE RULE

[bzubee]

The reason the noise rule went out as it did was due to the fact that a majority of boats are already under the 95 db limit and the board didn't want members to just start pulling off the quiet pipes and mufflers to increase the noise to the max limit. I personally wanted to as did John Equi just stick with a compliance rule of 95 db Max however since all mmebers of the board vote the majority won. Same for the membership vote. As for the ballots not coming out you could have pulled the noise ballot from the web site. Especially since it is obvious you have web access. It was only the Presidential ballot Pat said he did not want copied. As for delivery of th eRoostertail that was a problem with the printer and Noel has assured us that the problem has been corrected.

The organization has been set up to work the way it does so that the members do have a say on the competition rules. If you would like the board to change that, please let your district directors know we can accomadate your wishes.

 

[BigChuck]

MIKE, My position is like ALL of the LITTLE PEOPLE. Unlike your self that hAS a TITLE. I am one of the lowly individuals that has been paying for rules books, and membership list and ROOSTERTAILS and only recieving a small enevlop with a membership card. And some not even that. To this day.

I am a person who saw you hold up the Nats because there was not a level playing feild in your class. I could not do that. And yes it was the right thing to do.

But it did happen.

So who am I?................Member like the rest hopping upon hope that the board

[ that you sit on] and it members can show us that the Blind is not leading the blind. That the glory days of old are making way for the new and exciting.

The innovative and the inviting. The bright future of r/c boat.

" Two men look out through the same bars; one see the mud and one sees stars." -Frederich Lamnbridge

"There is a better way for everything. Find it." - Thomas Edsion

"In the middle of hard ship lies opportunity"-Anonymous

Yes Don,intense. But, lost lakes,membership falling rapidly,races cancelled,

offical docouments not reaching members. Members not being replied to, pass the buck answers. the Db level. Gas rules wanting to change, rules for a new class not solid. and so much more. If it dose not happen now......................................

 

[offshoremodels]

You go Big Chuck I got your back

 

[Joe_Knesek]

As for the ballots not coming out you could have pulled the noise ballot from the web site.  Especially since it is obvious you have web access.  It was only the Presidential ballot Pat said he did not want copied.  As for delivery of th eRoostertail that was a problem with the printer and Noel has assured us that the problem has been corrected.

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Bill, that's not how it was presented on this forum. It was understood that it had to be a ballot from the printed Roostertail.

 

[Grimracer]

So who am I?................Member like the rest  hopping upon hope that the board

[ that you sit on] and it members can show us that the Blind is not leading the blind. That the glory days of old are making way for the new and exciting.

The innovative and the inviting. The bright future of r/c boat.

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This is the positive quote that i know you and others are able to provide to the racers, members and other toy boat players like you and me that just cruse the board.

All the negative thoughts, comments and other useless politics I read here…man…. I just keep thinking about new people.. You know the ones that will read this under cloak and say…I DONT THINK THIS IS FOR ME... People jump on this board to speak there mind (its there right and I support that) but it seems that they do it do satisfy there own mind and others they and pull along with them..

Dam I hope Im living in a bubble here and that im the ONLY one that reads stuff that way.

Like you I am also a member of the IMPBA.. i have take the time to do what i can to make model tunnel boating better (not sure i have done this or not).. but trying.. Being OBD is just me saying you have somebody to crab at.. If it makes you feel better so be it. If we can sit and solve a problem even better yet. If we fail then that is also part of the deal.. not understanding this and or accepting it can ruin a really fun hobby.. I know.. I use to race Slot cars..

IMPBA is only as good as its members.. its directors are members also.. Together we make an origination. Directors are just very passionate about helping others and or passionate about the hobby they love… then again maybe there just to dam dumb to get out of the way.. this could be me.. I admit it..

As for the Sport class at the Internats last year.. it was ugly wasnt it.. im not smart but not dumb either.. i learn best by doing..very, very good chance that will not happen again. I hope that learn by doing is an OK learning model for IMBPA.. because its the best i (I) can offer. I suspect others might be the same.

If not.. burring at the stake is what i deserve then..

One deep breath and im back at the pond in thought, enjoying the people, the sights and the racing.. This is why I do this.. I hope that others feel this too..

Heading to the work bench…

Mike Z

 

[Joe_Knesek]

Mike,

your intentions are beyond reproach as far as I'm concerned. However, this subject came up prior to the vote and prior to the rule being written. To say that the membership is being heard is questionable since it was clear that this board was in favor of a db only rule. As I understand it, the discussion of combining the rule with the previous one came up in the discussion immediately prior to the board's vote. Bill's comments above seem to support this view.

I'll be the first to admit that I stir things up. Sometimes it gets out of hand but in this case, I think the board had it coming.

Fortunately, we have new board members and a new President that have the oppertunity to listne and afffect change that the membership wants.

 

[Preston_Hall]

It's time for me to get hammered now.

Most of the whiners just need something to do. Why?

First,

Look at the muffler rule, it started on a club level before it was established in the IMPBA. Plenty of crying was done then. Now the db was set at the IMPBA level first and there is just as must boo-hoo. So the point is whether a majority of your fellow boaters started something through DEMOCRACY or it was handed to you by a COMMUNIST led organization you complain. So tell me, dictatorship or democracy? The past says "we" want neither.

Second,

It doesn't even matter what the rule is because on a club level you don't have to follow it. Even on the national level if the race flyer states some exception to the rule then anything goes. If your club goes for the rule then fine, you are a minority there. If you go out of town and your boat is under 95 db without a muffler and aren't allowed to race then there are two things: (1) you didn't call and verify their standing, (2) somebody is being a butt because as we all agree, 95 db is fine. The "Nats" would be the only place for you to be affected.

Third,

Why choose this rule to pick on? Nobody seems to care about prop gaurds or launch handles.

Fourth,

You got out voted. I don't care if there was only 1 vote.

Fifth,

We all race under the same rules. What's the big deal?

Sixth,

Go with the flow and try to be productive with what you have. Particularly if you don't like officers. If you don't want to do the job yourself or aren't qualified then TUFF.

Seventh,

We know the horse is dead. Why still beat it? And for a little extra knowledge, he won't drink water either so quit taking him to the river.

Hammer away.

 

[BOBBYH]

Preston,

I was also under the impression that as long as deviations from the normal rules, with the exception of safey procedures, was listed on the race flyer, it was ok. Same for everyone, they know the ground rules when they enter. If this is still the case, then it would seem the problems are not with the board cramming cloudy rules down peoples throats, but it's with the race officials not running the races the way their local, (club or district), members would like.

-Bobby

 

[Grimracer]

Mike, your intentions are beyond reproach as far as I'm concerned. However, this subject came up prior to the vote and prior to the rule being written. To say that the membership is being heard is questionable since it was clear that this board was in favor of a db only rule. As I understand it, the discussion of combining the rule with the previous one came up in the discussion immediately prior to the board's vote. Bill's comments above seem to support this view.

I'll be the first to admit that I stir things up. Sometimes it gets out of hand but in this case, I think the board had it coming.

Fortunately, we have new board members and a new President that have the oppertunity to listne and afffect change that the membership wants.

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Thanks for your input Joe..

You might be right about the board. What do i know.. However, im thinking that bringing it to there attention via this media system is, or might not be, the best way to get the members listen.. Looks like its just meant to mix the pot. Nothing good comes out of it.. or at least we do the same thing over an over.. Beat stuff to death.

And I will accept your opinion on the reproach comment as your opinion.. You have a right to one as much as I. Makes us good folk, and as you know we have fought died for that right.

ROCK ON my friend and I look forward to racing with you this summer.

Mike Z

 

[Mark Bullard]

I wonder how many people on this thread voted on this rule. There was no excuse that everone that wanted to vote could have voted. Other than the President voting you could have called or sent a e-mail or a fax or a letter on this vote for the DB rule to your District Director. It's that simple. I was one of the District 5 members that voted no on the rule. Because I read the rule from top to bottom and I believe that it was a bad rule. But I do believe that a lot of you voted on the rule because it had to do with DB levels and did not read and study the rule as a whole. This is whats called getting your cart before your horse. The board did not create this rule the membership did. The members discuss these things with there District Directors and when the board meets these things are discussed, details worked out and voted on to go to the membership for voting. If the membership votes to approve then it becomes a rule. But not all rules that go to the membership are good rules. Sometimes they have to be voted down so that they can be refined to a better rule. When I vote a rule down I always give the reason for what I think is wrong with the rule so that my Director can relay back to the board on the subject. So next time don't get your cart before the horse.

Mark Bullard

IMPBA 9123S/CD

 

[bzubee]

Mark as a member I also voted not for the same reason but our district majority did vote yes so I had to cast the districts vote as yes. Unlike some directors from th eold regime I cast the districts vote the way the majority of th emembers from the district I represent vote.

Just th eway I feel board members should do it !

 

[TOM MOORE]

The reason the noise rule went out as it did was due to the fact that a majority of boats are already under the 95 db limit and the board didn't want members to just start pulling off the quiet pipes and mufflers to increase the noise to the max limit.  I personally wanted to as did John Equi just stick with a compliance rule of 95 db Max however since all mmebers of the board vote the majority won.  Same for the membership vote.  As for the ballots not coming out you could have pulled the noise ballot from the web site.  Especially since it is obvious you have web access.  It was only the Presidential ballot Pat said he did not want copied.  As for delivery of th eRoostertail that was a problem with the printer and Noel has assured us that the problem has been corrected.
The organization has been set up to work the way it does so that the members do have a say on the competition rules.  If you would like the board to change that, please let your district directors know we can accomadate your wishes.

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VERY TYPICAL IMPBA LEGISLATION SNAFU Good luk in your presedentcy bill your gonna friggin need it, :angry:

 

[Don Ferrette]

The reason the noise rule went out as it did was due to the fact that a majority of boats are already under the 95 dB limit and the board didn't want members to just start pulling off the quiet pipes and mufflers to increase the noise to the max limit.

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The reason the boats are under 95 is BECAUSE of the mufflers & Q pipes. Take them off & you're over with the only exception being MAYBE some 20 boats.

"....and the board didn't want...."

THIS part of the sentence is what bothers me. Especially when a couple sentences later we have-

"The organization has been set up to work the way it does so that the members do have a say on the competition rules."

Well it sure seems like that didn't happen here. The board took it upon themselves in the 11th hour to add a little "rider" to the dB rule. We talked, argued, yelled, screamed, moaned, groaned, etc for MONTHS & MONTHS about how a simple flat dB rule would make things level & fair. Yet again we manage to cloud (NOT my first word choice) things up. Had I known that this would go like it did I would have done like Mark did & voted no. I'd be willing to bet there would have been alot of others who would have done the same thing. Like I've said all along it should be straight up & simple, you either meet it or you don't. Then in the next couple seasons you drop it another notch to 92dB. If you meet it that's great, if you don't then you better get busy. Another problem we also encounter now is there is not a single over-the-counter RTR beginner nitro boat that is legal to run in the IMPBA. We keep talking about the need for new blood & cheap entry level stuff. Boy talk about knocking the local hobby shop out of the loop. What do you think the LHS is going to do when some kid & his dad want a refund because that little .15 nitro vee they just sold them is ILLEGAL??? In one shot you risk alienating both potential new members AND the hobby shops. Has anyone even SEEN a muffler for a .15 tuned pipe that actually FITS correctly? Or better yet even designed for a .12 or .15??? I spent a long time thinking this thru BEFORE I started lobbying for a dB rule because I figured the little boats would be ok & we would not further burden a newcomer who just forked over a couple hundred bucks to see if they even like this hobby. Now the board makes it so you have to tell the "newbies' they need to spend even more money 'cause thier boat ain't legal?? We are FINALLY getting some decent support from the manufacturers like Aeromarine & Horizon making affordable ENTRY level stuff to try to bring in new members & we go & make those little boats illegal??? I think the board members need to go back & look at the bigger picture perhaps.... <_<

 

[TimD]

I think the board members need to go back & look at the bigger picture perhaps....  <_<

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And look at coming into line with every other r/c boat racing organisation for that matter! Or is that part of the problem - wanting to be unique?

I'm still in amazement this whole topic gets so much discussion.

I would have thought it would be a responsible thing to do to reduce noise wherever possible - if not for the sake of keeping a pond then for the sake of your and your fellow racers/ friends hearing. Hearing damage or loss isn't that great a thing.

By far the loudest boats in our club are the gas classes.

 

[izitbrokeyet?]

 

[Don Ferrette]

That's pretty sick there Kev........ :blink:

 

[izitbrokeyet?]

It seemed appropriate at the time

here's one a little more tastefull

I think I’m starting to like the first one more…….

Just trying to lighten the mood

I think I'll go back to my "string pictures" now :lol:

 

[Al Waters]

If you don't mind me asking a question, I noticed that "bzubee" said that his district voted on behalf of the way the majority of the votes were casted within his district.

Does IMPBA use an electoral vote rather than a popular vote? That was the impression I got. And if so, is the number of district votes based on membership in that district or are there the same number of votes per district?

Thank you for your help.

Al Waters

NAMBA Vice President

NAMBA Scale Unlimited Chairman

 

[Don Ferrette]

I think I'll go back to my "string pictures"  now :lol:

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I thought you'd like that!

 

[Don Ferrette]

If you don't mind me asking a question, I noticed that "bzubee" said that his district voted on behalf of the way the majority of the votes were casted within his district.Does IMPBA use an electoral vote rather than a popular vote? That was the impression I got. And if so, is the number of district votes based on membership in that district or are there the same number of votes per district?

Thank you for your help.

Al Waters

NAMBA Vice President

NAMBA Scale Unlimited Chairman

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Electoral basically.