I'M gonna get slammed

[Guest_Mitch Graber]

I've been good Don,how about yourselve? I have been TOO busy

to get to the pond the last few months,therefore I am NOT able

to make it again to the Winternats going on this weekend,it

sucks being just 120 miles away and not being able to race it.

I might drive up Sat.or Sun.to see what is going on.See Ya.

 

[Chris Wood]

I feel that there is a fine line about COPYING a certain product. I understand that people either don't have the money to buy the one they want or they feel they like the design but would like to change some things.

Fact is, if your product performs and the other persons COPY doesn't odds are they won't be selling very many anyway.

This could be said for boats and motors. look at the front exhaust motors. how many different companys make them. who made the first?? it is all about improvements.

I think the main problem here is this. Someone has a great idea or design but either don't have the equipement or don't want to take the time to do it. where others that have heard or seen the design know they can do it and want to offer another product.

fact is, compitiion is what keeps this hobby going. if nova rossi, mac, or cmb didn't have compitition then everyone would be running the same thing.

what fun would that be.

just my thoughts.

 

[Joe_Knesek]

Don,you are right,Pinkert's "Coyote" outrigger was aroundlong before the Crapshooter came to be, from what I have

been told by older racers who have been around for over

20 yrs.Also,how could a Crapshooter be the original when it

was copied off of the Roadrunner hulls?So I guess if you

want to get technical,everybody has copied off of Pinkert.

I'm pretty sure the Crapshooter was around long before the RoadRunner. The original Crapshooters looked nothing like a RoadRunner. The original RoadRunners looked a lot like a Pinkert Daytona.

 

[Kevin Whitehead]

I ran nitro hydros on Belle Isle, with the WMRBA, in the 70's.

By '73 (+ or - a year) Tim Ries and Charley Sweet were building Crapshooters. At that time, I don't know how long they had been working on the concept.

There was no Coyote (that I know of) at that time. Pinkert's outrigger at that time was called a Gator.

I don't know which had appeared first, the Crapshooter or the Gator.

I do know, at that same time, Ron Walker (WMRBA) had an outrigger design that was like an open source computer program. Anyone in the club could get the info needed to build one and all the help they needed to make it run, from either Ron, Skip Fricke, or anyone else who had built one. There were quite a few people running them in the club and quite a few variations on the design.

It would probably take a true "old salt" like Hughey or Pruesse to get a real idea who was working with the outrigger concept first.

KW

 

[TomMoorehouse]

I seem to recall seeing pictures of very very old teathered hydros from that klaus?? guy..... way before radio control.

 

[Kevin Whitehead]

I seem to recall seeing pictures of very very old teathered hydros from that klaus?? guy..... way before radio control.

Santa?

Tethered outriggers?

KW

 

[TomMoorehouse]

it was in an rcboatmodeler issue.... a history article they published

 

[Terry Keeley]

Ed Kalfus I beleive, know Gary Preusse still has some of his hand made props...

 

[TomMoorehouse]

yea that's the name..... anybody have that issue? look at the pictures..... i remember one that had sponsons out on tubes/rods

 

[rctinman]

OK folks, this may show my age, but Pinkerts first rigger was called the "Lil Mixer". Next was the "Gator". Those were the days!

Steve Ball

 

[Ron Olson]

I do have one issue from May 1995 with the Bob Graham story in it that covered the tether boat action in Detroit way back when. I might have the other ones around. Time to do some digging.

See how some of these postings get off on a tangent?

So far I don't think that Bob has gotten slammed..........

 

[Don Ferrette]

... See how some of these postings get off on a tangent?So far I don't think that Bob has gotten slammed..........

Not only did he not get slammed he has generated a neat spin-off into digging into the r/c archives!

 

[Mike T.]

I remember that article. If my memory serves me correctly, the boats in there weren't riggers but some very crude mono-like hulls with either one step across amidships or two sponson-like add-ons about where a 3-pointer would have sponsons. Other neat thing was that a lot of them used home-made engines; many were 4-strokes. Thing to consider - when a boat runs on a tether with the center pivot above the boat's CG, centrifugal force will lift the boat off the water. At that point hydrodynamics might take a back seat to aerodynamics.

 

[Randy Rapedius]

Fact or fiction?

I spoke with the late Gus Johnson 7 or 8 years ago and he told me it was he who designed the first r/c rigger and Pinkert was the one who built it from his plans.

Randy

 

[Ron Olson]

Reading articles like that shows us how easy we've got it now. They built their own motors, running hardware and hulls!

 

[Chris Thomas]

Thanks for the info Kevin. I knew I wasn't too far off of the time frame. I would have said it was about 73-74 that the "Belle Isle Boys" were starting into the riggers. Where are you from and how did you know some of that history? Were you involved with the Wolverines?

 

[G.Loy]

very nice post bob!!!

i could'nt agree more. almost makes me want to buy a newb i mean nova tunnel.

lol!!!!!

say hello to the better half for me.

hope to see you guys at the pond.

gary

 

[Kevin Whitehead]

Thanks for the info Kevin. I knew I wasn't too far off of the time frame. I would have said it was about 73-74 that the "Belle Isle Boys" were starting into the riggers. Where are you from and how did you know some of that history? Were you involved with the Wolverines?

Chris,

I grew up in Detroit. I ran nitro hydros in the Wolverine Miniature Race Boat Association, when I was in my teens.

I had a Buck-R-Too, a big fiberglass shovelnose (around 44") with a Rossi 60 and later (around '75) I built a Ron Walker outrigger variant. After that I scaled down a bit to a Hughey 21. The old foam roundnose with a Taipan 21.

It was a trip, travelling through some of the funkiest parts of Detroit to get to Belle Isle!

KW

 

[Mike G]

Way back in this I posted what I had read and I got off on the wrong foot with Remy, I just wanted to clear it up that I was only repeating what I had heard. At the time I couldn't remember where I had seen it but today reviewing the FAQ section on Jims I finally found Russ's original post.

http://p086.ezboard.com/fjimsrcboatdockfrm...opicID=82.topic

Sorry to bring up dead wood but I wanted to clear the air. Remy has always been fair to me and I thought it important he knew where I got my info from.

Thanks

Mike Gilman

 

[offshoremodels]

Back in the 80s areomarine was run by Remys father and I will say he was a tough guy to deal with. I to wanted to see changes in a hull and in asking about it I offended him and was also told if I could do it better to do it. Then I was cut off as a dealer. Now I get along with them guys and have tons or respect for them and what they have done for the hobby but there will always be room for improvements. Be open to suggestions or get copied. I always keep one better in the works for the day a copy shows up so I can hit right back.