blackjack, crapshooter ..........warlock

[Joe_Knesek]

Preston, my point is, noboby has been boasting speeds for your radar to disprove.

 

[Preston_Hall]

I see it almost everyday. And don't really believe a word of it. I think 70+ mph 20 are few and far between. Probably not more than 5 between NC and NY. If there is more then thay haven't brought them out.

I'm not going to bother to dig back through all the BJ stuff, but there is boasting there. And I'll stress again that this is not directed toward the BJ. You must agree that there has been some hype over this or nobody would be discussing it in the first place.

 

[BlackJack21]

Guys,

I think it's time I spoke up. Here goes.....

Jon,

I NEVER spoke poorly of the boats you build. I have, on occasion, when esked, explained the differences between the Warlok and the BlackJack. Obviously, I feel these differences make the BlackJack a better boat or I probably would not have chose to build it that way. If you remember a while back, I was considering buing onw of your boats. I asked you to build mine a bit differently that your normal process. I cannot blame you for declining to offer these changes, I don't stray far from my program, either. When I couldn't get what I wanted, I decided to build my own. At the time, I had no intentions of building any more. After being approached by a number of people (Ron Jefferson, for one), I decided to see how many I could sell. I never intended, nor will I, any harm to your sales. You should continue building them. The Warlok and BlackJack are two distinctly different boats.

Mark,

This whole "80 MPH" this has gotten TOTALLY distorted from it's original intent. I never claimed to be running eighty with my boat, nor is Dave Roach's boat hitting that mark either. In my opinion, it is not unreasonable to expect a 21 hydro to race at or near eighty, or even faster. If a 45 can consistently hit 85-87 MPH in the heat of racing, then why can't a 21 run eighty? People are saying that they've never (or rarely) seen a 21 hydro run much over 70 during heat racing. These people must be sleeping during these heats. We all know Marty Davis and Joe Kramer used to do it day in and day out. Ron Zaker Jr is quite capable of doing it any time he needs to (which is not very often.....). What these "ney-sayers" should be saying is that they've never seen a RoadRunner, Eagle, or JAG race above 70. And they probably never will, on a regular basis. I don't mean to down any of these boats, but in my opinion, I've never seen one run "right". Most people don't think a 45 boat will consistantly race much above eighty. Again, not all boats are capable of it. The Crapshooter is. With the Crapshooter technology now built into a 21, the bar has been raised. I can't wait to get my engine back in the condition in was in before I cracked the case. We'll see what can and can't be done. The engines are stonger than they have ever been. The Warlok and BlackJack handle better than any boat I've ever seen (I won't say which is better, because too much is in the hands of the end-user/builder. They are, after all, VERY similar in dimension and overall design). The capability is there to race faster than we've grown expect.

Set-up has not been all that critical with the BlackJack. We hit the water with Dave's boat after setting it up on my building table. On the first launch it was ready for racing. We have done very little to it since then. One strut adjustment and a couple tweaks on the turnfin alignment. Otherwise, it raced and Celina as it was originally set up.

The Celina race was NOT a good test for the BlackJack. There were only three other 21 hydro's there for Dave and I to beat up on. I was hoping for at least two other BlackJack's to be there, but in my opinion, those two guys have been far too busy with other boat projects and family affairs ( (just kidding)..

Nuff said for now.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components

 

[Bob Kensill]

The only problem I have with this thread is that you "New Guys" think that your boats are worth as much as the guys that actually designed their boats,and did not just take someone else's design and make one a different size. I paid good money for my new Eagle SGX kit,but I think that I got a tried and proven design.

 

[Joe_Knesek]

Both the Blackjack and the warlock will be well represented at the Nats. Maybe we should just let the results speak for themself.

 

[TimD]

Results depend on whether you want to race for a $2 trophy or "just go fast" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry couldn't resist it!

A good test would be to put them in the hands of a couple of rookies. Some of the guru's of this sport could win with just about anything.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Results depend on whether you want to race for a $2 trophy or "just go fast"

Good one Tim......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Don Ferrette]

Both the Blackjack and the warlock will be well represented at the Nats. Maybe we should just let the results speak for themself.

And I hope an unbiased individual (or individuals) holding a radar gun. All we've got so far is a whole lot of talk & speculation............ <_<

 

[BlackJack21]

Tim,

I don't want to ruffle any feathers with this comment, but.........

There is only one problem with putting an "unproven" boat in the hands of a rookie. If he should have any real trouble with it, it will automatically be blamed on the fact that it is "unproven". I think exactly the opposite. Put them in the hands of the gurus and they will show what it is capable of. Not all of my boats are being ran by "guru's". A few are, but several are in the hands of what I would call "accomplished boaters". All the guys who got a boat from me this year are capable of winning every race they enter with most any boat they enter. I think they will find it easier than every to do so with their new BlackJack21.

Bob,

True, I cannot take credit for the overall design of the BlackJack. That credit has to go to one of the true innovators in this hobby. But if all you're concerned about the BlackJack being an "unproven" design, don't even think twice about it. When something is based so very closely on a design as proven as the Crapshooter, there is nothing unproven about it. So far, there have been very few credits to the BlackJack name, but keep in mind that there are only three of them on the water at the moment, one of which got wet for the first time in it's very first heat race and still took third on the weekend.

I'm just betting there are going to be some guys who will wish they'd intalled windshield wipers on their boats before the internats are over. I'm not expecting any US-1's or anything, but keep your eye on the heat racing stats.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components

 

[TimD]

Tim,
I don't want to ruffle any feathers with this comment, but.........

There is only one problem with putting an "unproven" boat in the hands of a rookie. If he should have any real trouble with it, it will automatically be blamed on the fact that it is "unproven". I think exactly the opposite. Put them in the hands of the gurus and they will show what it is capable of. Not all of my boats are being ran by "guru's". A few are, but several are in the hands of what I would call "accomplished boaters". All the guys who got a boat from me this year are capable of winning every race they enter with most any boat they enter. I think they will find it easier than every to do so with their new BlackJack21.

Brad,

no ruffled feathers here B)

You make a very good point. I see people blame a product when it's not the product's fault all the time - not just in R/C either. Quite often it's "user interface error".

Welcome to IW by the way!

Tim.

 

[longballlumber]

So, after all this talk about .21 hydros, and who's hull is better (not to mention, we didn't get into engines, set up, and driving). Who is going to bring what to the Nats?????

As far as I am concerned, a Hawk/Ninja has just as good as a chance as any hull (blackjack, warlock and Eagle SGX) to do well at the Nats....

If boaters want to spent $800.00+ on a kit let them..... If they want to spend $125.00- on a kit let them......

Go as fast as you want..... But if you can't go fast for 6 laps on a consistent basis, you need to ask yourself. Are you a racer? or Are you a guy that likes to go fast for 1-5 laps.

Going fast for some people is "what they do." However, some people LOVE the drama and the "REAL RACING" aspect of heat racing. If you CAN mix the two, you are one of the few.

Good racing to all and good luck to all at the nats!!!!!

By the way.... I don't mind getting a $2 trophy at the end of the day. Shows some type of accomplishment. Alot of people work hard and spend alot of money for a $2 trophy, and they have the slowest boat......

I am off of my soap box now.

 

[TimD]

Anyone built a .12 size 'shooter yet? Anyone plan to?

 

[longballlumber]

Tim..... Why?????

What does a .12 crapshooter copy do for anyone?????

 

[TimD]

Well theres several different 21 versions and 12 riggers seem to be gathering a little bit of interest - so I just filled in the gaps :lol: :lol: :lol: Surely it's only a matter of time

 

[ClayGlover]

Hmmmm, maybe call it the blackwarcrap .12?

 

[TomMoorehouse]

Hmmmm, maybe call it the blackwarcrap .12?

I was thinking the Roulette or the Slot .... hey how about the Little Slot!

 

[Don Ferrette]

Hmmmm, maybe call it the blackwarcrap .12?

ROFLMAO!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Chris Wood]

here is my two cents worth....

I have raced in the 20 hydro class for 5-6yrs now. raced with the best zaker,marty, ect.

There is a select few who can get a 20 boat to run 75 or more mph...

I know trust me, I have spent all summer working with my new boat... It is all in how much time you want to spend on props and set up..

You can have the best boat in the world but if you don't take your time to do setup and prop work then you our behind the game..

As for which boat is better, they boat have there ups and downs. I am now on my second warlok, runs great. I can't speak for brads, never had one.

Both are based on a design of the original, that is why they work..

I guess only time will tell.

Look at it this way, at least there are options on which boat to buy instead of one or two..

chris

 

[Don Templeton]

"OK Tim"

I'll confess! My Riptide 12 is a very close copy of my Crapshooter Sprint 67 boat. However, I really don't think Stu will mind because it's a late 70s vintage boat designed by Marty Davis who owned Crapshooter boats at the time and also helped me on the set up of the Riptide. Now if Stu, who incidently was a terrific builder and racer even back then, will just give me a few drawings of his new boats, I would be more than happy to build an updated 12 Crapshooter! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Attached is a picture of my old Crapshooter which still runs pretty darn well for it's age. Never got an 80 patch but I did pick up my 70 in heat race form.

Don

 

[ClayGlover]

Don, I've got to set up one of those pegboards like I see you got in your shop. Beats the heck out of digging through tool boxes :blink: