Vintage Riggers

[Grimracer]

More old stuff

 

[P THOMAS]

Let's just leave it to the basic boat to keep things simple.

We could make rules till it's no longer fun!!!

Like Andy says just keep it to the boats,, trying to run those old motors would take all the fun out of it, but then only using rope starting, no electric starters, would be fun to watch.

SOCIETY OF ANTIQUE MODELERS SAM

You seen this group at Toledo? The modelers ar more antique than the planes, and so will you be by the end of this. LOL

 

[Nigtmare]

I have to dig up my 40 coyote or one of the first cats that ArrowMarine produced in the late 70s, or my 40 hughey. I'll also have a couple OPS 40s and two futabas model SPT2 FM radios with a steeling wheel on the centre of the box... God only knows where I stacked all this stuff in the house! We also have to have wind reflecters on top of the sponsor pipes! I am ready! ...I think Where is the race????!!!

Nick

 

[John Finch]

The boats from the past would be as fast as the fastest right now. The basic boats are the same. Small refinements like Andy's sponson design keep the boats from flying off the water at high speed, BUT the basic boats are the same. I have run many of them mix matched. Crapshooter sponsons/ sg tub. Sg tub/ roadrunner sponsons. Scatch built things you would not imagine. Still....basically they will all do the same thing with todays engines, props, turn fins, and radio gear that Pinckert's Mixer did when I was 17 years old. That's a long time ago.

John

 

[Bruce Jacobs]

the original thought was to get some old timers back at the pond and be able to run there old boats with current gear. i'm running my old 21 hughey boat with a mac 21 bone stock and it still wins a heat now and then. i had to add a remote needle as a 6 pound boat needs alittle more fuel to get it going. when grim and i talked about this class it was to be a boat at least 20 years old and the driver at least 40. but it was only a starting point. with all the us1 classes now it's beginning to take away from what we run the last 2 days of the internats, so now would be a good time to try this. soo lets start simple and add classes as interest increases

 

[John Finch]

There are too many classes as it is. Who can afford to go to the nats and spend 10 vacation days to do it? I'm talking IMPBA.

John

 

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I'll also have a couple OPS 40s and two futabas model SPT2 FM radios with a steeling wheel on the centre of the box... God only knows where I stacked all this stuff in the house! :

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Nick,

I was at my friend Chester's house the other day, he's an old school boater, he was so excited to show me his old school Futaba gold boxed steering wheeled radios, I think two may have been Silver. His bragging rights came from having #1,2,3 and 4. He told me he was gonna bring out his old twin King Kong boat.

 

[Grimracer]

There are too many classes as it is.  Who can afford to go to the nats and spend 10 vacation days to do it?  I'm talking IMPBA.
John

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John

Your right.. However maybe this starts as just a Internats class.. or maybe club events. Maybe we have a race just for the old stuff.. heck we have no idea what it is. Bruce and i were just chatting about this last year at the Internats.

This post is just a feeler to see how people feel about old riggers and the prospects of racing the old hulls. Sounds like fun to me.. I have some NIB kits and building one would not kill the collection.

grim

 

[Ron Olson]

Mark, I've got an unused K&B short skeg lower unit in the basement, just the case halves. You can still get the original Hot Shot 21 kit from Dumas. Too bad that the Hughey tunnel and the Midwest Klampon Kai's aren't still around.

Imagine all of those vintage boats on eBay going up in price now!

Phil, I saw the SAM group in Toledo. It looked like a VFW convention from WW-I! :lol:

 

[P THOMAS]

IF anyone would be interested in this probally start off on the local club or dist level see what shows up get together and run just for fun.

Here is the Gator 60 Hustler40 and a Huegy21

i have patterns forthe gator and hustler i think, That hustler was all wood frame and had big heavy aluminum sponson mounts kind of like the Octura Wing Ding boats.

 

[AndyBrown]

Mike,

If we say straight shaft only, that will eliminate ALL of Ed Hughey's boats.

 

[Grimracer]

Mike,If we say straight shaft only, that will eliminate ALL of Ed Hughey's boats.

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Good point Andy..

For sure if we were to do this kind of racing it would be more of a show and tell then a race. At first anyway.

maybe we just make it straight shaft racing any hull older then say..1990.

just a thought.. that means if the boat was made for flex it would have to run straight (hard shaft)

Again just a thought.

Mike

 

[RaceCraftBearings]

I say ditch the straight shaft rule and open it up to flexshaft.

I will run my 20 and or 90 Coyote as a specialty class at the Nats and all we have to do is ask the group (of which I am one of) to add it even if its only a one heat deal if time limits it and if it doesnt maybe we could do 3 heats who knows but I am sure a one heat deal at the very least would happen.

 

[rctinman]

Great thread!

I picked up an old hull a while ago because it used to belong to a friend of mine back in the mid 80s, and I thought it would make a great gas rigger. It is a Super Wing Ding, set up for twin OPS 60/65s. Still has all of the hardware. After reading this thread, I thought it would be a shoe in for this class. Here’s the thing, I will not run twins, and I would much rather see this thing live on as is, than turn it into a gasser. So, if some one is interested in this hull, I would make them a great deal.

Have a Happy New Year!

Steve Ball

 

[P THOMAS]

I say ditch the straight shaft rule and open it up to flexshaft.

Dont get hung up on that we that had straight shafts in those boats ditched them and went to flex shafts asap.

Think of it this way You take an old tech boat and set it up as best you can to todays standards with out changing the basic design of the old hull.

that would be interesting to see which design would work out best.

Maybe not race but time them on the oval and have an award for best 20, 40, 60class boat.

 

[Bruce Jacobs]

The main point with this class would be to let people with older boats who can't afford to buy the current state of the art hull to drag out their old stuff and get back to the pond. Once we get them back to the pond we can probable hook them on the new or at least get the membership back up. These guys will be able to tell stories and bring the good old days back to life. So let's keep the classes simple for now to ensure interest. Maybe I can talk Ed Hughey into remolding some sponsons. He may even come to a race and help set up his old stuff.

 

[Nigtmare]

I'll also have a couple OPS 40s and two futabas model SPT2 FM radios with a steeling wheel on the centre of the box... God only knows where I stacked all this stuff in the house! :

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Nick,

I was at my friend Chester's house the other day, he's an old school boater, he was so excited to show me his old school Futaba gold boxed steering wheeled radios, I think two may have been Silver. His bragging rights came from having #1,2,3 and 4. He told me he was gonna bring out his old twin King Kong boat.

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That is funny! he brought out the dinosaurs. :lol: SPT2 is the silver one. I actually really like that radio. If we keep the turn fins from those days, we'll have to find a bigger pond so we can make turns. :lol: :lol: :lol: :huh: I remember we had to use an air strip to turn around and the tunnels used to turn on a dime. I also have an old coyote that terry keeley owned. It has a straight shaft and it is built very light. Enough said for know, keep this thread going. Nick

 

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There's an old school builder in my neighborhood by the name of Ken Reily, he has a bunch of old kits such as the Wing Ding, Coyotes, Mongoose's and even a 3.5 prather Spitfire. Hell he could run A through X..... :lol: :lol: But I'm sure he'd rather sell that stuff. He swore by his old Sundowners. I raced one last year......I ended up winning the "Snail Time" in B-Hydro :lol: :lol:

 

[Don Templeton]

This should work!

67 Crapshooter Sprint boat, approx. 1977 version with Ackerman OPS, exhaust throttle, solid shaft, 13 ball bearings, wood center strut and heavy. Kinda looks like my new ,12 rigger! :lol: :lol:

Phil, I don't remember for sure but I think a hustler with a K&B was what John Ackerman broke the 80mph one way SAW pass with in about 1975 or76.

Don

 

[Terry Flynn]

This sounds like it could be a good time. I have an old twin 40 rigger with some old OPS 40s , any one have any idea what kind of boat this is?

forget it I cant seem to get it to load up.