Single F hydros/Twin F Hydros

[Joe Warren]

Now that is Why we race TWINS in F HYDRO..... It is SPEED vs POWER..... Dont change a thing it is Perfect just the way it is.......

 

[BigChuck]

Thank you to the RACERS............!!! For hearing what I was Saying. Don't blame the water!! Lets race.

Stu, Rick I am with you all the way!!!! 80/90/1.0/101 what ever...................!!!

Doc...........I will say this one last time.............Stop W.......and get the boat ready!!!

 

[Joe Warren]

Chad, I use to Race my Single 60 in F class... Just so I could Slay a TWIN. Somedays it happened..... Some days it did not.... I would not like it if the twins & the singles could not Mix it up a little & race.........jw

 

[Don Ferrette]

Now that is Why we race TWINS in F HYDRO..... It is SPEED vs POWER..... Dont change a thing it is Perfect just the way it is.......

DING! DING! DING! DING! Give Joe a big fat cigar! F Hydro is just FINE as is. If clubs want to try single F(X) Hydro as a specialty class to see how it goes that's fine, just don't mess with what already WORKS!

 

[Norm Doerr]

Joe,

I have done it for many years. Years back, I used to run my 45 hydro against the twin 90's and won without problem. It is great that a club can offer a "Speciality Class" if there is support with entries. Boat counts are increasing at the big races. Perhaps IMPBA needs to consider current classes and delete some that are not well supported.

That reminds me of Marty borrowing my tired old 40 boat, (Ackermans old 40) to run in F hydro one day We entered Ackerman in F Hydro and he could not make it to the race Soooooo here comes Marty with an idea. One of the best races I ever witnessed.. He asked the other competators if they objected and they told him to "bring it" and he did. Got the start and stuck it on the buoys. Did that for four rounds of racing.. LOL.

 

[dr gary turner]

Thank you to the RACERS............!!! For hearing what I was Saying. Don't blame the water!! Lets race.

Stu, Rick I am with you all the way!!!! 80/90/1.0/101 what ever...................!!!

Doc...........I will say this one last time.............Stop W.......and get the boat ready!!!

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Charles I am so sorry you just don.t get it. Have a Merry Christmas. Doc

 

[Mike Betke]

Don, Its the WATER issue. The Bridge award can be given for the best twin in the Twin class. I was racing when John Bridge was running. During that time and really up to about the last 5-7 years twins would not finish and there were vary few of them and the award help stimulate growth of twins. NOW with 5 twins and one single F-hydro in the same race the single has no chance due to the WATER. BTW there has not been a Nats for about 5 yrs so I not sure about the significance of the argument that has been presented. Also I think there are several folks who can afford a single f and not a twin. Doc

Again Doc, the John Bridge trophy is for the BEST PERFORMING TWIN in F CLASS. As it appears in our IMPBA rulebook-

John Bridge Trophy

​

Trophy to be awarded to the individual having the best total score with a multi-engine Hydro in F

​

class, US-1 competition (1/16 mile Straightaway and Oval time trials, and heat racing). This would

​

be a traveling trophy.

So do you want to re-write that part of the rulebook as well? And "up to about the last 5-7 years twins would not finish". Seriously? Wow, that really makes me wish I could have gone to the Nats for the 10 year stretch I missed starting in 2000 as my twins didn't seem to have that "problem". And lastly to imply that the water doesn't get screwed up with only single F boats running is a bit of a stretch. I've run F class for many years and a full heat of singles does a pretty good job shredding the water. Here's a thought- instead of expending the energy trying to convince us to change the rules for a class that works just fine, why don't you use it more productively by encouraging the larger race events to offer the single F specialty class like Charleston has done. Or you could just run E hydro which is just as fast and no twins! There ya go, like Julian said PROBLEM SOLVED! LOL!!!

All,

Here is an update regarding the John Bridge trophy.

For those not familiar with history of the trophy, It was made in honor of John Bridge following his death in the early 1980's (I do not have the exact year in front of me). It was hand made by Tim Ries, who was the original founder of crapshooter boats. For those that have not seen it, it is probably one of the nicest trophies made and was a miniature replica of John's twin. It was to be given out at the Mini Gold Cup in Detroit yearly in memory of John. John Bridge Jr. was the first winner of the trophy and I do not believe he has raced boats since. After quite a few years, the participation in the Detroit area for F-hydro was very low, and Jerry Betke went to IMPBA to get the trophy made into the perpetual trophy that is described in this post. The agreement at the time was that if interest in the trophy ever declined, that it would be returned to the Oakland Wolverine club.

Last year, Jerry inquired as to the whereabouts of the trophy. The winner had not been reported for some time in any internats results, probably due to the low turnouts the last few years. After a lot of research and help from IMPBA board members, the trophy was located. It was stuffed in the corner of somebody's trailer in very poor condition and it had not been updated with the winners names engraved in quite a few years. With approval from the IMPBA President the trophy was returned to Jerry. He has since restored the trophy to its original condition.

Last spring, John Bridge Jr. was contacted by Jerry. At our club meeting, we presented the trophy back to him and he now has it in his posession. John Jr. was very appreciative of receiving this award back. When he came to our meeting, he brought many old magazine articles regarding his dads accomplishments through the years. You could see by the emotion in his face and by the way that he talked about their days of racing together how much getting this trophy back meant to him. It was definately the right thing to do and is now back where it belongs.

 

[BigChuck]

Thank you to the RACERS............!!! For hearing what I was Saying. Don't blame the water!! Lets race.

Stu, Rick I am with you all the way!!!! 80/90/1.0/101 what ever...................!!!

Doc...........I will say this one last time.............Stop W.......and get the boat ready!!!

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Charles I am so sorry you just don.t get it. Have a Merry Christmas. Doc

Doc....Did I miss something. Stu said Lets Race. Rick Said Lets Race. I said " Stop W.... Lets Race." I get it............I will race with both of them Again,again,and again....!!! So what did you miss???

Stu,Rick,Joe,Don,& myself have all committed to race!!! F hydro and/or F single if offered. Doc.............Is????

Oh wait..........It was the water,now its the class, oh wait............. Just get the boat Ready!!! "TO RACE!!"

 

[Doug Smock]

All,

Here is an update regarding the John Bridge trophy.

For those not familiar with history of the trophy, It was made in honor of John Bridge following his death in the early 1980's (I do not have the exact year in front of me). It was hand made by Tim Ries, who was the original founder of crapshooter boats. For those that have not seen it, it is probably one of the nicest trophies made and was a miniature replica of John's twin. It was to be given out at the Mini Gold Cup in Detroit yearly in memory of John. John Bridge Jr. was the first winner of the trophy and I do not believe he has raced boats since. After quite a few years, the participation in the Detroit area for F-hydro was very low, and Jerry Betke went to IMPBA to get the trophy made into the perpetual trophy that is described in this post. The agreement at the time was that if interest in the trophy ever declined, that it would be returned to the Oakland Wolverine club.

Last year, Jerry inquired as to the whereabouts of the trophy. The winner had not been reported for some time in any internats results, probably due to the low turnouts the last few years. After a lot of research and help from IMPBA board members, the trophy was located. It was stuffed in the corner of somebody's trailer in very poor condition and it had not been updated with the winners names engraved in quite a few years. With approval from the IMPBA President the trophy was returned to Jerry. He has since restored the trophy to its original condition.

Last spring, John Bridge Jr. was contacted by Jerry. At our club meeting, we presented the trophy back to him and he now has it in his posession. John Jr. was very appreciative of receiving this award back. When he came to our meeting, he brought many old magazine articles regarding his dads accomplishments through the years. You could see by the emotion in his face and by the way that he talked about their days of racing together how much getting this trophy back meant to him. It was definately the right thing to do and is now back where it belongs.

Thanks for sharing that story.

That's what it's all about!!

What is a F Hydro?? LOL Just kidding fellas!!

Anybody seen Lamb chops? :lol:

 

[Norm Doerr]

Don, Its the WATER issue. The Bridge award can be given for the best twin in the Twin class. I was racing when John Bridge was running. During that time and really up to about the last 5-7 years twins would not finish and there were vary few of them and the award help stimulate growth of twins. NOW with 5 twins and one single F-hydro in the same race the single has no chance due to the WATER. BTW there has not been a Nats for about 5 yrs so I not sure about the significance of the argument that has been presented. Also I think there are several folks who can afford a single f and not a twin. Doc

Again Doc, the John Bridge trophy is for the BEST PERFORMING TWIN in F CLASS. As it appears in our IMPBA rulebook-

John Bridge Trophy

​

Trophy to be awarded to the individual having the best total score with a multi-engine Hydro in F

​

class, US-1 competition (1/16 mile Straightaway and Oval time trials, and heat racing). This would

​

be a traveling trophy.

So do you want to re-write that part of the rulebook as well? And "up to about the last 5-7 years twins would not finish". Seriously? Wow, that really makes me wish I could have gone to the Nats for the 10 year stretch I missed starting in 2000 as my twins didn't seem to have that "problem". And lastly to imply that the water doesn't get screwed up with only single F boats running is a bit of a stretch. I've run F class for many years and a full heat of singles does a pretty good job shredding the water. Here's a thought- instead of expending the energy trying to convince us to change the rules for a class that works just fine, why don't you use it more productively by encouraging the larger race events to offer the single F specialty class like Charleston has done. Or you could just run E hydro which is just as fast and no twins! There ya go, like Julian said PROBLEM SOLVED! LOL!!!

All,

Here is an update regarding the John Bridge trophy.

For those not familiar with history of the trophy, It was made in honor of John Bridge following his death in the early 1980's (I do not have the exact year in front of me). It was hand made by Tim Ries, who was the original founder of crapshooter boats. For those that have not seen it, it is probably one of the nicest trophies made and was a miniature replica of John's twin. It was to be given out at the Mini Gold Cup in Detroit yearly in memory of John. John Bridge Jr. was the first winner of the trophy and I do not believe he has raced boats since. After quite a few years, the participation in the Detroit area for F-hydro was very low, and Jerry Betke went to IMPBA to get the trophy made into the perpetual trophy that is described in this post. The agreement at the time was that if interest in the trophy ever declined, that it would be returned to the Oakland Wolverine club.

Last year, Jerry inquired as to the whereabouts of the trophy. The winner had not been reported for some time in any internats results, probably due to the low turnouts the last few years. After a lot of research and help from IMPBA board members, the trophy was located. It was stuffed in the corner of somebody's trailer in very poor condition and it had not been updated with the winners names engraved in quite a few years. With approval from the IMPBA President the trophy was returned to Jerry. He has since restored the trophy to its original condition.

Last spring, John Bridge Jr. was contacted by Jerry. At our club meeting, we presented the trophy back to him and he now has it in his posession. John Jr. was very appreciative of receiving this award back. When he came to our meeting, he brought many old magazine articles regarding his dads accomplishments through the years. You could see by the emotion in his face and by the way that he talked about their days of racing together how much getting this trophy back meant to him. It was definately the right thing to do and is now back where it belongs.

That is a cool story but also a shame that it seems we have abandoned the history and legacy part of this hobby. Bridge senior is one of he reasons I got into this little hobby.. Was it Tim Reis, Ron Walker and Bridge Sr. who were the "Special Brew Racing Crew"?

 

[SayMikey]

I think it fitting for John Bridge Jr to have the trophy now that we have a Twin Hydro US-1 class. All this conversation about F hydro makes we want to call Stu and get INDY to host the real race of champions THE INDY UNLIMITED.... Wonder if anyone cried about twins there? Wait I saw Gerald Devay <butched his name run 5 laps with a twin and one engine dead......

 

[julianconde]

Mike I think you need to do that.

 

[dr gary turner]

I think it fitting for John Bridge Jr to have the trophy now that we have a Twin Hydro US-1 class. All this conversation about F hydro makes we want to call Stu and get INDY to host the real race of champions THE INDY UNLIMITED.... Wonder if anyone cried about twins there? Wait I saw Gerald Devay <butched his name run 5 laps with a twin and one engine dead......

I AGREE . I loved the Indy unlimited. ONE BOAT AND FIVE HEATS OF RACING. We often had 120 boats. In fact I took 2nd one year, missed first by 50 points. Marty Davis was my caller, Roger Moran won with 2000 points. In that race there were no trophies just a LOT and I mean A lot of prizes. Roger took the mill lathe and I took the CrapShooter twin, my first twin. Mark and I were talking about our race in Huntsville and the issue at hand. We are thinking about having the FX, single f hydro class, OPEN hydro[twins, singles 21-101 twins, gas hydro, sport 40, scale Indy Unlimited style] and twin class as well as the other usual classes.This will let folks have more than just one group to run nitro hydros. If one runs 40 hydro he can run in the open hydro, twin can run in twins and open hydro, ETC. AGAIN THE WHOLE POINT OF THE fx SINGLE FHYDRO CLASS IS TO INCREASE NITRO HYDRO RACING AND SPECIFICALLY IN THE F SIZED CLASS. Mike NO one cried about twins, first there were not many of them and vary few ran well. Again were not crying or skeeeered or have some spurious motive about twins, REMEMBER I have had a twin since that Indy race. It is to promote nitro racing.

You know it really just a about a year ago there were many people STILL posting comments stating NITRO IS DEAD. SO WHAT WERE ARE TRYING TO DO IS PROMOTE NITRO RACING AND MORE OF IT. The single FX gives another venue to run more NITRO. Everyone have a Merry Christmas and pause to appreciate the true meaning of Christmas. Doc

 

[Joe Warren]

Doc Rub the F single boat down & Get It Ready for 2012 racing season. We will be testing soon somewhere getting ready for the 2012 NAMBA Winter Nats .Looks like we will be above normal temps untill the 1st of the New Year. I plan to be back in the water ASAP........

 

[julianconde]

If we are going to choose F hydro single class to get offered for our race then so does F hydro and if theres not enough to run both classes then they get combined. im currently working on the classes that will be offered for the Huntsville race since David Hall and I will CD the race myself as the primary and David as the assistant.

Julian

 

[John Knight]

I think it fitting for John Bridge Jr to have the trophy now that we have a Twin Hydro US-1 class. All this conversation about F hydro makes we want to call Stu and get INDY to host the real race of champions THE INDY UNLIMITED.... Wonder if anyone cried about twins there? Wait I saw Gerald Devay <butched his name run 5 laps with a twin and one engine dead......

I AGREE . I loved the Indy unlimited. ONE BOAT AND FIVE HEATS OF RACING. We often had 120 boats. In fact I took 2nd one year, missed first by 50 points. Marty Davis was my caller, Roger Moran won with 2000 points. In that race there were no trophies just a LOT and I mean A lot of prizes. Roger took the mill lathe and I took the CrapShooter twin, my first twin. Mark and I were talking about our race in Huntsville and the issue at hand. We are thinking about having the FX, single f hydro class, OPEN hydro[twins, singles 21-101 twins, gas hydro, sport 40, scale Indy Unlimited style] and twin class as well as the other usual classes.This will let folks have more than just one group to run nitro hydros. If one runs 40 hydro he can run in the open hydro, twin can run in twins and open hydro, ETC. AGAIN THE WHOLE POINT OF THE fx SINGLE FHYDRO CLASS IS TO INCREASE NITRO HYDRO RACING AND SPECIFICALLY IN THE F SIZED CLASS. Mike NO one cried about twins, first there were not many of them and vary few ran well. Again were not crying or skeeeered or have some spurious motive about twins, REMEMBER I have had a twin since that Indy race. It is to promote nitro racing.

You know it really just a about a year ago there were many people STILL posting comments stating NITRO IS DEAD. SO WHAT WERE ARE TRYING TO DO IS PROMOTE NITRO RACING AND MORE OF IT. The single FX gives another venue to run more NITRO. Everyone have a Merry Christmas and pause to appreciate the true meaning of Christmas. Doc

Is there a hopeful date in 2012 for the race at Huntsville?

 

[Tom Foley]

Hey sometimes controversial and somewhat misunderstood topics like this get people thinking and building !

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays . I know I enjoy the time off and time to think and bond with people you don't see too often .

ENJOY !!

 

[julianconde]

John knight we will keep you posted on the date and classes we will offer very soon. I just sent the Huntsville crew some info today.

Julian

 

[stan simpson iv]

Hey sometimes controversial and somewhat misunderstood topics like this get people thinking and building !

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays . I know I enjoy the time off and time to think and bond with people you don't see too often .

ENJOY !!

MERRY X-mas to you to...and to everybody else reading this HOT TOPIC lol...

 

[Jim Recker Jr.]

Don, Its the WATER issue. The Bridge award can be given for the best twin in the Twin class. I was racing when John Bridge was running. During that time and really up to about the last 5-7 years twins would not finish and there were vary few of them and the award help stimulate growth of twins. NOW with 5 twins and one single F-hydro in the same race the single has no chance due to the WATER. BTW there has not been a Nats for about 5 yrs so I not sure about the significance of the argument that has been presented. Also I think there are several folks who can afford a single f and not a twin. Doc

Again Doc, the John Bridge trophy is for the BEST PERFORMING TWIN in F CLASS. As it appears in our IMPBA rulebook-

John Bridge Trophy

​

Trophy to be awarded to the individual having the best total score with a multi-engine Hydro in F

​

class, US-1 competition (1/16 mile Straightaway and Oval time trials, and heat racing). This would

​

be a traveling trophy.

So do you want to re-write that part of the rulebook as well? And "up to about the last 5-7 years twins would not finish". Seriously? Wow, that really makes me wish I could have gone to the Nats for the 10 year stretch I missed starting in 2000 as my twins didn't seem to have that "problem". And lastly to imply that the water doesn't get screwed up with only single F boats running is a bit of a stretch. I've run F class for many years and a full heat of singles does a pretty good job shredding the water. Here's a thought- instead of expending the energy trying to convince us to change the rules for a class that works just fine, why don't you use it more productively by encouraging the larger race events to offer the single F specialty class like Charleston has done. Or you could just run E hydro which is just as fast and no twins! There ya go, like Julian said PROBLEM SOLVED! LOL!!!

All,

Here is an update regarding the John Bridge trophy.

For those not familiar with history of the trophy, It was made in honor of John Bridge following his death in the early 1980's (I do not have the exact year in front of me). It was hand made by Tim Ries, who was the original founder of crapshooter boats. For those that have not seen it, it is probably one of the nicest trophies made and was a miniature replica of John's twin. It was to be given out at the Mini Gold Cup in Detroit yearly in memory of John. John Bridge Jr. was the first winner of the trophy and I do not believe he has raced boats since. After quite a few years, the participation in the Detroit area for F-hydro was very low, and Jerry Betke went to IMPBA to get the trophy made into the perpetual trophy that is described in this post. The agreement at the time was that if interest in the trophy ever declined, that it would be returned to the Oakland Wolverine club.

Last year, Jerry inquired as to the whereabouts of the trophy. The winner had not been reported for some time in any internats results, probably due to the low turnouts the last few years. After a lot of research and help from IMPBA board members, the trophy was located. It was stuffed in the corner of somebody's trailer in very poor condition and it had not been updated with the winners names engraved in quite a few years. With approval from the IMPBA President the trophy was returned to Jerry. He has since restored the trophy to its original condition.

Last spring, John Bridge Jr. was contacted by Jerry. At our club meeting, we presented the trophy back to him and he now has it in his posession. John Jr. was very appreciative of receiving this award back. When he came to our meeting, he brought many old magazine articles regarding his dads accomplishments through the years. You could see by the emotion in his face and by the way that he talked about their days of racing together how much getting this trophy back meant to him. It was definately the right thing to do and is now back where it belongs.

That is a cool story but also a shame that it seems we have abandoned the history and legacy part of this hobby. Bridge senior is one of he reasons I got into this little hobby.. Was it Tim Reis, Ron Walker and Bridge Sr. who were the "Special Brew Racing Crew"?

Mike, I was at that Mini Gold Cup with my father entered in F hydro. He drove a red Gator to 3rd place. I still have the program from that race. I believe it was 1982. John Jr. couldn't hold his emotions as he screamed the "Lager Head" across the finish line. I have it marked down that both he and Bob Finley tied with 1100 pts. So he must have defeated Bob in a run off.

It was a great race with alot of tough competition. Bridge, Ries & Walker were the Brew Crew and had matching geared twins. Fun days they were. If the trophy is still with John Jr. that suits me fine as in my heart .... that's where it belongs.