Race format at Broward Nitro Shootout.

[Norm Doerr]

I like the Indy Masters format.

Yes TOO MANY classes.

 

[dwilfong]

Less classes and more racing that is the ticket.

One class should be run what you brung. any thing goes , eng total size and weight limit only. any hull you want.

Jerry has a twin VAC .91 mono I know he would love to paly with.

5 boat heats. 4 qualifying and 3 heat final

 

[Andy Greene]

Less classes and more racing that is the ticket.

One class should be run what you brung. any thing goes , eng total size and weight limit only. any hull you want.

Jerry has a twin VAC .91 mono I know he would love to paly with.

5 boat heats. 4 qualifying and 3 heat final

Just dont leave out scale and some sort of open mono class for the 40 and up guys ............

 

[Andy Brown]

Less classes and more racing that is the ticket.

One class should be run what you brung. any thing goes , eng total size and weight limit only. any hull you want.

Jerry has a twin VAC .91 mono I know he would love to paly with.

5 boat heats. 4 qualifying and 3 heat final

Just dont leave out scale and some sort of open mono class for the 40 and up guys ............

It's a "ONE CLASS FITS ALL" race. They can enter too, if they wish!

Some older guys remember the "INDY UNLIMITED".

It was a Run What Ya Brung" all IMPBA legal boats welcome, kind of race.

There was always well over 100 entries. If I remember correctly Conrad Cupit, just a teen, placed 3rd overall with a .20 mono.

This was like the Race of All races! It was a BIG DEAL to win the INDY UNLIMITED. Usually won by a single engine rigger.

 

[Norm Doerr]

The Indy Unlimited Prize Table was a big one...... Lathes, Mills etc etc. Circus tents over the pit area.

 

[Tom Foley]

So leaving this as it was this would be time to re-write history , leave the Indy Unlimited enjoy it's fabled past and call this one the

Meeami Unlimited !!

 

[Mark Grannis]

Here is an interesting way to dwindle down the field to get to the final 6 for a one heat "FINAL".

I. Have three or four qualifying rounds to get the top twelve in each class using diligence to maximize a thorough mix of all racers in the class. Ties to

gain entry into the "TOP 12" will be decided by run off.

II. Have the "TOP 12" of each class run two rounds.

A. This first round must be bracketed so the merit of the qualifying rounds is not lost.

1. in heat "A" these placements would race 1,12, 4, 9, 5, & 8.

2. in heat "B" these placements would race 2, 11, 3, 10, 6, & 7.

B. This second round must also be bracketed using the results from heats A & B. Attention must be given so the placements for 2nd and beyond are

not running the same racers from previous round giving preference to number of contestants raced and higher seed from 1st round. Example;

both 1st place and 2nd place finishers will be separated with the second place boats not racing the same first place. Remainig racers as below.

1. in heat "C" these previous placements would race 1a, 2b, 3b, 4a, 5a, & 6b.

2. in heat "D" " " " " " 1b, 2a, 3a, 4b, 5b, & 6a.

C. Ties to gain entry into the "FINALS" will be determined by run off.

III. Have the top 6 race for it all in the "FINALS".

This method requires finishing and racing for positions to gain higher points to just make the "FINALS".

Andy, Don't true US1's require participating in timed events and heat racing at the IMPBA Regatta?

MG

 

[Andy Brown]

Here is an interesting way to dwindle down the field to get to the final 6 for a one heat "FINAL".

I. Have three or four qualifying rounds to get the top twelve in each class using diligence to maximize a thorough mix of all racers in the class. Ties to

gain entry into the "TOP 12" will be decided by run off.

II. Have the "TOP 12" of each class run two rounds.

A. This first round must be bracketed so the merit of the qualifying rounds is not lost.

1. in heat "A" these placements would race 1,12, 4, 9, 5, & 8.

2. in heat "B" these placements would race 2, 11, 3, 10, 6, & 7.

B. This second round must also be bracketed using the results from heats A & B. Attention must be given so the placements for 2nd and beyond are

not running the same racers from previous round giving preference to number of contestants raced and higher seed from 1st round. Example;

both 1st place and 2nd place finishers will be separated with the second place boats not racing the same first place. Remainig racers as below.

1. in heat "C" these previous placements would race 1a, 2b, 3b, 4a, 5a, & 6b.

2. in heat "D" " " " " " 1b, 2a, 3a, 4b, 5b, & 6a.

C. Ties to gain entry into the "FINALS" will be determined by run off.

III. Have the top 6 race for it all in the "FINALS".

This method requires finishing and racing for positions to gain higher points to just make the "FINALS".

Andy, Don't true US1's require participating in timed events and heat racing at the IMPBA Regatta?

MG

"Andy, Don't true US1's require participating in timed events and heat racing at the IMPBA Regatta?"

I don't know Mark. It seems the rules change. I won US-1 in 1989 in F hydro with the 5/3 format. Will the 2014 Nitro nats not be a US-1 awarded event?...since they will only run 5 rounds of heat racing?

 

[seaducerpete]

Here is an interesting way to dwindle down the field to get to the final 6 for a one heat "FINAL".

I. Have three or four qualifying rounds to get the top twelve in each class using diligence to maximize a thorough mix of all racers in the class. Ties to

gain entry into the "TOP 12" will be decided by run off.

II. Have the "TOP 12" of each class run two rounds.

A. This first round must be bracketed so the merit of the qualifying rounds is not lost.

1. in heat "A" these placements would race 1,12, 4, 9, 5, & 8.

2. in heat "B" these placements would race 2, 11, 3, 10, 6, & 7.

B. This second round must also be bracketed using the results from heats A & B. Attention must be given so the placements for 2nd and beyond are

not running the same racers from previous round giving preference to number of contestants raced and higher seed from 1st round. Example;

both 1st place and 2nd place finishers will be separated with the second place boats not racing the same first place. Remainig racers as below.

1. in heat "C" these previous placements would race 1a, 2b, 3b, 4a, 5a, & 6b.

2. in heat "D" " " " " " 1b, 2a, 3a, 4b, 5b, & 6a.

C. Ties to gain entry into the "FINALS" will be determined by run off.

III. Have the top 6 race for it all in the "FINALS".

This method requires finishing and racing for positions to gain higher points to just make the "FINALS".

Andy, Don't true US1's require participating in timed events and heat racing at the IMPBA Regatta?

MG

"Andy, Don't true US1's require participating in timed events and heat racing at the IMPBA Regatta?"
I don't know Mark. It seems the rules change. I won US-1 in 1989 in F hydro with the 5/3 format. Will the 2014 Nitro nats not be a US-1 awarded event?...since they will only run 5 rounds of heat racing?

nope no us1 just national championship

 

[Andy Brown]

I think the Florida clubs would do well to pick up on a Nitro or Gas only race series, regardless of format. The November race is already sold out in the gas classes with more guys wanting to get in that can't. The Nitro classes are far from full but would get a better turn out if the race was a little more compact (less classes). I think it would promote growth in both areas.

 

[Robert Pickard]

Riverview in January has a gas race that is big

 

[dwilfong]

I think what would be nice is some one day races for nitro. there are many that would make a one day race if thy where offered.

How many go to the pond on the weekend and run by them self. much more fun running with outer like boats.

Not so much as the wining of trophy's but the fun of running with others.

There are 5 clubs with less than 2 hour drive from each other to make a real nice series.

It is about time thy start talking and make it happen.

Dose not need to be a major production. Audio clock and no trophies make it easy on the clubs to do.

Lets get the ball rolling!!!!

 

[Danny King]

I think what would be nice is some one day races for nitro. there are many that would make a one day race if thy where offered.

How many go to the pond on the weekend and run by them self. much more fun running with outer like boats.

Not so much as the wining of trophy's but the fun of running with others.

There are 5 clubs with less than 2 hour drive from each other to make a real nice series.

It is about time thy start talking and make it happen.

Dose not need to be a major production. Audio clock and no trophies make it easy on the clubs to do.

Lets get the ball rolling!!!!

I totally agree.

 

[mark ham]

Jacksonville, Orlando and Daytona use to do this ( 1 day club races) back in the day and it was a blast.

 

[Andy Greene]

I think what would be nice is some one day races for nitro. there are many that would make a one day race if thy where offered.

How many go to the pond on the weekend and run by them self. much more fun running with outer like boats.

Not so much as the wining of trophy's but the fun of running with others.

There are 5 clubs with less than 2 hour drive from each other to make a real nice series.

It is about time thy start talking and make it happen.

Dose not need to be a major production. Audio clock and no trophies make it easy on the clubs to do.

Lets get the ball rolling!!!!

I totally agree Dave- drag WCRA out of the closet and lets get this ball rolling - Tampa / Brandon / Riverview ? / Orlando -

Only awards to series Champ in class at the end of said amount of races.

 

[Andy Brown]

I think what would be nice is some one day races for nitro. there are many that would make a one day race if thy where offered.

How many go to the pond on the weekend and run by them self. much more fun running with outer like boats.

Not so much as the wining of trophy's but the fun of running with others.

There are 5 clubs with less than 2 hour drive from each other to make a real nice series.

It is about time thy start talking and make it happen.

Dose not need to be a major production. Audio clock and no trophies make it easy on the clubs to do.

Lets get the ball rolling!!!!

I totally agree Dave- drag WCRA out of the closet and lets get this ball rolling - Tampa / Brandon / Riverview ? / Orlando -

Only awards to series Champ in class at the end of said amount of races.

Mayb add Melbourne? Have a Sat. test & tune for those that want to stay one night....race Sun.

That might help pull a few racers from the North and South.

 

[Andy Greene]

I think what would be nice is some one day races for nitro. there are many that would make a one day race if thy where offered.

How many go to the pond on the weekend and run by them self. much more fun running with outer like boats.

Not so much as the wining of trophy's but the fun of running with others.

There are 5 clubs with less than 2 hour drive from each other to make a real nice series.

It is about time thy start talking and make it happen.

Dose not need to be a major production. Audio clock and no trophies make it easy on the clubs to do.

Lets get the ball rolling!!!!

I totally agree Dave- drag WCRA out of the closet and lets get this ball rolling - Tampa / Brandon / Riverview ? / Orlando -

Only awards to series Champ in class at the end of said amount of races.

Mayb add Melbourne? Have a Sat. test & tune for those that want to stay one night....race Sun.

That might help pull a few racers from the North and South.

Lets make it happen-to tie Jeremys efforts on One day races into the deal would be well deserved

The only downside I see is, most race dates are taken this late in the game- and yes I said this late in the game at the end of Feb.

IMHO a race season or new series needs to have dates in line with respect to the dates that have already been established long before March, a true reflection of that fact is how quickly the larger / well published-advertised races are filling up. Just a fact.

Sorry, back to this thread - Maybe a start this year and run like hell with it next year with locked in dates early - food for thought

 

[TUNLBOTR]

The specialty races are giving us the most difficulty now, the nitro numbers dropped with the ongoing development and great success of gas. A while back we had a strong one day FL series, and one person singlehandedly started to step on race dates, IMO clearly out of nitro spite. Even posted a roostertail article about the things wrong with nitro. No names, no longer a racer. Screw up a good thing, and step away, satisfied with the result.

And d3 was three states, under one association. FL, GA, SC. More for the district to gather from, spreading out dates and events.

Blew that up, most involved have all stopped racing, after the damage was done.

Many clubs gone away, Ocala, Jacksonville, Sarasota, Daytona, Ft. Myers, Largo.

Change was inevitable, and unfortunate.

Jeremy, keep pushing, hopefully I can make it there.

Nitro racers, time to fight for our existence. Gas is strong, it's going through a cycle, and will continue.

 

[Andy Brown]

One day Nitro races across central Florida could help rebuild Nitro here in Florida. Tampa, Brandon, Orlando, Melboure. Four races would be a good first season. Those of us from North and South Florida would have a 4 hour drive. We could get up early and get home late or come on Sat. for some open water. Once the numbers grow, then it would be easy to fill out a two day nitro only race. The gas boaters already have enough to fill a two day race.