Race format at Broward Nitro Shootout.

[Andy Brown]

I cant really say I agree with that one AB - start points only , cause they earned that, but to penalize them further for racing hard and failing and or breaking- not so much. Do dead boats suck, yes, but everyone else on the course has to deal with em as well.

You have raced Brandon in the Spring and had an early heat a time or two Im sure- the back stretch is nearly impossible to see for the first few heats, but thats part of a good pitman and spotters in the tower doing THEIR JOB, the rest is up to the guy holding the radio- IF your not sure or cant pick it up- slow down and or get out of the lanes till you can. IMHO its worth loosing a heat NOT to run someone thats dead over- could be you

Just my worthless .02

Andy

Andy G. wrote: "but to penalize them further for racing hard and failing and or breaking- not so much"

Look at it in a different light Andy. Not a penalty for "breaking or failing", but a penalty for being a Hazard and disrupting the other racers.

I did not win a trophey for the first 4 years that I raced....but I won a bunch of heats, because I had a fast boat....but I was a dead boat often too!

I then decided to make my goal to finish every heat. That is when I started winning trophies.

Look at the video I posted above. Out of 8 boats only 2 went out and that was on the last lap. Those guys run just a little less nitro than we do here in the States and they strive for consistancy. Makes for much more exciting racing when everyone is up and running.

 

[Ray Sametz]

I cant really say I agree with that one AB - start points only , cause they earned that, but to penalize them further for racing hard and failing and or breaking- not so much. Do dead boats suck, yes, but everyone else on the course has to deal with em as well.

You have raced Brandon in the Spring and had an early heat a time or two Im sure- the back stretch is nearly impossible to see for the first few heats, but thats part of a good pitman and spotters in the tower doing THEIR JOB, the rest is up to the guy holding the radio- IF your not sure or cant pick it up- slow down and or get out of the lanes till you can. IMHO its worth loosing a heat NOT to run someone thats dead over- could be you

Just my worthless .02

Andy

Andy G. wrote: "but to penalize them further for racing hard and failing and or breaking- not so much"

Look at it in a different light Andy. Not a penalty for "breaking or failing", but a penalty for being a Hazard and disrupting the other racers.

I did not win a trophey for the first 4 years that I raced....but I won a bunch of heats, because I had a fast boat....but I was a dead boat often too!

I then decided to make my goal to finish every heat. That is when I started winning trophies.

Look at the video I posted above. Out of 8 boats only 2 went out and that was on the last lap. Those guys run just a little less nitro than we do here in the States and they strive for consistancy. Makes for much more exciting racing when everyone is up and running.

It's the first line in my signature.

0 DNF'S = WOOD

 

[Leon Morgan]

2010 NAVIGA World Champs. 15 cc Hydro. 8 boat heat. All 8 were running 5 laps into the race. 6 boats finished.

Andy, I was in that race. Certainly gotta be on your toes with 8 boats

But we run 4 qualification and 4 final heats.

I would so love to come to this event... If only flights were a bit cheaper :-(

Have fun guys...

 

[Andy Brown]

2010 NAVIGA World Champs. 15 cc Hydro. 8 boat heat. All 8 were running 5 laps into the race. 6 boats finished.

Hi Leon! They changed the format after 2010? It was 5 and 3 everytime I raced there.

 

[Leon Morgan]

In Hungary 2010 it was 4 and 4 aswell, and I thought that's what it had been before that.

It might be confusing that they labelled that video the 5th heat as it was the 5th 90 race of the day but only actually the 1st or 2nd (can't remember) qualification heat for that group.

 

[Tom Foley]

No more friggin rules !! Anyone's boat can go dead for thousands of reasons not because it was ill prepared . I firmly believe that the threat of a DQ for hitting a dead boat has helped in curtailing reckless driving . One thing is for sure , you WILL eventually hit a dead boat somehow . No matter how good your equipment is or how many races you've run SHIZHT HAPPENS . Toy Boat Racing is fun !

 

[Eric Canto]

This topic is one that has perplexed me for years. EVERYONE hates being hit while dead or hitting a dead boat, but NO ONE wants a race with a very limited number of boats in a heat. Andy, you posted that you raced "fast" for four years. You are a very intelligent man, certainly it did not take you four years to figure out that slower wins more trophies, you kept racing "fast" because it is fun. There is no doubt that with smaller heats, speed becomes much more of a factor and I think that a lot racers today do not want speed to be the major factor in the outcome of a race.

I have been in tons of heats with "big name" racers - Andy Brown, Stu, Jerry C, Ernie, Ralph, etc.. But I have almost never been able to really "race" with any of them because we were all just playing dodge the pond full of dead boats most of the time. To me, the chance to really RACE the super fast guys is very appealing but it generally just does not happen.

 

[shoboat]

Eric,

I agree with you on that, the real fun is going fast and having fun.

Going slow is just not an option for me, I would rather go to a time trial.

SAW boats and two lap oval boats are more appealing to me now.

With these you can really see how fast you are. Snow and 15 degrees here.

Enjoy Your Weather,

Mark Sholund

 

[Elias Vazquez]

I've been one to say that ideally five boat heats is the way to go with these fast boats especially in some of our smaller ponds.

 

[dwilfong]

Look at it this way how many boats can go side by side in a corner?

How many can hit the start side by side?

This is a good indicator on how many to run.

 

[Andy Brown]

This topic is one that has perplexed me for years. EVERYONE hates being hit while dead or hitting a dead boat, but NO ONE wants a race with a very limited number of boats in a heat. Andy, you posted that you raced "fast" for four years. You are a very intelligent man, certainly it did not take you four years to figure out that slower wins more trophies, you kept racing "fast" because it is fun. There is no doubt that with smaller heats, speed becomes much more of a factor and I think that a lot racers today do not want speed to be the major factor in the outcome of a race.

I have been in tons of heats with "big name" racers - Andy Brown, Stu, Jerry C, Ernie, Ralph, etc.. But I have almost never been able to really "race" with any of them because we were all just playing dodge the pond full of dead boats most of the time. To me, the chance to really RACE the super fast guys is very appealing but it generally just does not happen.

Yes Eric! I didn't really slow down...just worked on my reliablity. I did not race much my first 4 years...2, maybe 3 races per year.

Personally I like smaller heats with good boats.

With 15 or more boats per class a format of 4/3/3 would be great. 4 qualifying rounds with 5-6 boat heats. Then take the top 8 boat and run 3 rounds of Semi's with 4 boat heats. Then run 3 rounds of finals with the top 4 boats.

For a class with 15-18 boats that would be 21 heats per class. That would allow time for 6 or 7, 18 boat classes to be easily run at a two day event.

 

[charles siler]

So guys is the rules the same every where or is it up to the drivers at club meetings or individual drivers meeting . It was put to me this way. Don't come to a race unless you are okay with the chance of getting hit or hitting another. A real race is all about it even though it is not the desired outcome it is a fact of racing. Holding the same lane in a race isn't facing and with some of the rules down there you guys have made it a point for a lot of racers to jack up there speeds so much just to compete. I am of the opinion

from a background of racing real stuff that I want to push it hard and get the max out of the equipment of the max effort that I put in it. I'm getting to old the heal from the consequences of it anymore so now I see the excitement in nitro boat racing without the injury and the chance to push it just to here someone say no accidents. As it was put to me these are battle axes!!! I don't want think the worst of this but Dudes racing is racing and yes if you guys want to slow it down made build a 90 with a 45 motor and make the most of that. Pass you later Charlie

PS lets have fun

 

[ALLAN YUEN]

A hydro : 8 boats , B hydro 8 boats , C hydro 7 boats and X hydro mixer Single/Twin 6 boats and all size engines mono no problem 8 boats Do you think more safe look better ?

 

[Jeff Lutz]

Think about this--- at $4,500 each in a 6 boat twin nitro hydro heat, that is $27,000 worth of rc boats on the pond at once!

 

[dwilfong]

YA gust put them on the self and stair at them in all there glory.

F that race it.

If you are afraid of breaking it stay home.

Mine has bin all most cut in half ,humped by a twin twice and still raced every time I get a chance.

If you don't want to race it don't build it or you are just playing with you self.

Don't give a dam if I win or lose its all for the fun of racing.

GO BIG OR STAY HOME and watch NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Robert Pickard]

David hit it right on yes alot have nice looking boats but we all realize well most we are going to get hit some time if you want pretty and keep it that way put it on a shelf

 

[Andy Brown]

Think about this--- at $4,500 each in a 6 boat twin nitro hydro heat, that is $27,000 worth of rc boats on the pond at once!

Dang!!!!!! $27K??? That won't even buy an engine for a full sized race boat. LOL

So anyway!!!!!..Let's talk about the Race Format. Anyone 5/3? 4/3? 4/4? 5/3/3?

Or how about the "Indy Hydro Master" format?

Or the "Indy Unlimited"/"SRGA Hydro Invitational" formats of ONE class! "Run what ya Brug"!

Does everyone like these formats? Yes? No?

Ideas for races? Nitro only? Hydro only? Gas only? Tunnel only, Mono Only?

Lots of cool possibillties for 6 to 10 class races. I think these big 25 class races are begining to wear on everyone.

 

[Jeff Lutz]

YA gust put them on the self and stair at them in all there glory.

F that race it.

If you are afraid of breaking it stay home.

Mine has bin all most cut in half ,humped by a twin twice and still raced every time I get a chance.

If you don't want to race it don't build it or you are just playing with you self.

Don't give a dam if I win or lose its all for the fun of racing.

GO BIG OR STAY HOME and watch NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

. Where did I say I did not want to race? Since others have pointed this out, I just thought it was fun to mention. I for one have no issues with the costs. Model boating is dirt cheap compared to the saltwater fishing I do. In this case , I will agree with others that 4-5 boats is perfect for the real fast classes, but don't really care either way.

 

[Andy Brown]

YA gust put them on the self and stair at them in all there glory.

F that race it.

If you are afraid of breaking it stay home.

Mine has bin all most cut in half ,humped by a twin twice and still raced every time I get a chance.

If you don't want to race it don't build it or you are just playing with you self.

Don't give a dam if I win or lose its all for the fun of racing.

GO BIG OR STAY HOME and watch NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

. Where did I say I did not want to race? Since others have pointed this out, I just thought it was fun to mention. I for one have no issues with the costs. Model boating is dirt cheap compared to the saltwater fishing I do. In this case , I will agree with others that 4-5 boats is perfect for the real fast classes, but don't really care either way.

There are a lot of Twins out there...we need to get them all in one place at the same time!

How about a BIG BLOCK engine and TWIN engine Hydro race.... Single F/X nitro, Single Gas Rigger, Twin Nitro rigger, Twin Gas Rigger, Sport Gas Hydro, and Gas Thunderboat/Scale...just to round it out to a nice even number of SIX classes! ????

 

[Robert Pickard]

How bout Indy Hydro Master format Nitros only