Sold OS .21 XM Outboard $250

[Rodney Rogers]

i have not made anything personal and im what wrong with this world you need to a look in the mirror.

 

[Grimracer]

No.. could be me.. hell, I am still trying to figure out what you were trying to covey on post 98!

Here is the deal.. I played BY THE RULES. Rules that have been here for a LONG TIME, and it cost me a chance at a neat little motor.

Maybe I should not be a little sour.. maybe i should just say..

My mistake and you should get the motor. BUT.. thats not right either.. It wasn't a mistake. I closed the deal..

BUT hey.. I have a thing for those little motors and when the next ones come around.. well, ya never know.

Grim out!

 

[Wasted wages]

HEY RODNEY...

Better non-commit to this one and ask about shipping before someone says I'll take it...

https://www.intlwaters.com/threads/os-max-21-xm-ver-ii.85222/post-838009

 

[Rodney Rogers]

I don't want it !!!!

 

[AnthonyKalil]

I believe that my future sales may be affected if I choose either way. If one party gets it over the other, there are definitely going to be upset members.

Consequently, I’m going to take Mikes suggestion to withdraw the listing. This way neither party feels like they “beat the other guy”.

This is the only way to restore balance, and it was Mike’s own suggestion, which I think is the fairest solution.

Z man, unfortunately people like him are what is SO wrong with this country.
It's all about ME f#$k the rest of you!
Anthony, do the right thing my friend.
Or the rest of you sales may be gravelly affected.

 

[Rodney Rogers]

i raced boats in Atlanta 1985 and 1986 a lot has happened to me over the last few years almost died 2016 im not a bad person i have been trying to get a boat in the water for about 4 months now and it like every has went wrong right down to cutting my hand bad with a side grinder but i keep trying i was going to buy the os outboard to get my vision boat in the water i thought i had bought the engine until it was brought to my attention that im not smart enough to buy it on this site i need to use the right words witch leaves a opening for the smart ones to show you whos the boss is i never expected that this would happen then others come in and make personal comments about me that dont know me that i still dont understand and then threatened the seller that he will do what he says or he will screw wo his future sales whats up with that all because he did not his way ! If this is what RC Boating has come to do i really want to keep doing this ? the bad part of this all i have watched grims you tube videos over and over and his videos are very good and i have learned a lot from them ! im sorry for stepping on anyone's toes thats not how i fly i hope everyone has a great day !
'

 

[AnthonyKalil]

I see people ask for shipping costs all the time. Not only here but On other Forums as well. And more often than not they pass on the deal. To me that Is never an Indication of a done deal. The I will take It, rules the day. IMO

Hi Mike,

I guess the issue here is that I’ve historically been a buyer all of my life. If I ask someone for a shipping quote, it’s not because I’m curious about the costs to move packages across the country. It’s because I am interested in something and would like to figure out my total cost so I can arrange payment.

I assumed Rodneys inquiry was similar. I don’t think anyone would pass on an engine at half value over $15-20 in shipping costs.

While “I’ll take it” certainly makes intentions clear, I honestly believe that a request for shipping quotes and a request to meet also indicate interest.

Since I will be liquidating most of my collection of over 40 years, I’d like to establish a good relationship with the members here, and not upset any potential future buyers.

Grim was correct here in asking that the listing be removed. This protects both parties. Everything goes back to status quo and neither party feels like they “got taken” by the other guy.

In the future, I’ll add a shipping fee in to eliminate similar issues.

 

[AnthonyKalil]

Hi Rodney,

Sorry about your troubles. PM me your address and I’ll send you a K&B outboard leg at no cost, if that will help you.

i raced boats in Atlanta 1985 and 1986 a lot has happened to me over the last few years almost died 2016 im not a bad person i have been trying to get a boat in the water for about 4 months now and it like every has went wrong right down to cutting my hand bad with a side grinder but i keep trying i was going to buy the os outboard to get my vision boat in the water i thought i had bought the engine until it was brought to my attention that im not smart enough to buy it on this site i need to use the right words witch leaves a opening for the smart ones to show you whos the boss is i never expected that this would happen then others come in and make personal comments about me that dont know me that i still dont understand and then threatened the seller that he will do what he says or he will screw wo his future sales whats up with that all because he did not his way ! If this is what RC Boating has come to do i really want to keep doing this ? the bad part of this all i have watched grims you tube videos over and over and his videos are very good and i have learned a lot from them ! im sorry for stepping on anyone's toes thats not how i fly i hope everyone has a great day !
'

 

[Wasted wages]

Rodney,

You would have gained "mad props and respect"
from everyone on this site, by stepping up and admitting you made a mistake, and offering the sale to Grim.... Now with the hissy fit you've thrown over the past 6 pages, people that may deal with you in the future for sales may question who they are working with.
ANYONE, I do business with on this forum gets searched. It's simple, and allows me to see the person's history of transactions and interactions with other members...

Like mom used to say,,, you can catch a lot more flies with honey than you can vinegar...

Respect is earned, not a given...

 

[Rodney Rogers]

Rodney,

You would have gained "mad props and respect"
from everyone on this site, by stepping up and admitting you made a mistake, and offering the sale to Grim.... Now with the hissy fit you've thrown over the past 6 pages, people that may deal with you in the future for sales may question who they are working with.
ANYONE, I do business with on this forum gets searched. It's simple, and allows me to see the person's history of transactions and interactions with other members...

Like mom used to say,,, you can catch a lot more flies with honey than you can vinegar...

Respect is earned, not a given...

did you read my last post ?

 

[Wasted wages]

Yes I did.....doesn't erase the prior 6 pages of nonsense...

 

[MikeMayberry]

Hi Mike,

I guess the issue here is that I’ve historically been a buyer all of my life. If I ask someone for a shipping quote, it’s not because I’m curious about the costs to move packages across the country. It’s because I am interested in something and would like to figure out my total cost so I can arrange payment.

I assumed Rodneys inquiry was similar. I don’t think anyone would pass on an engine at half value over $15-20 in shipping costs.

While “I’ll take it” certainly makes intentions clear, I honestly believe that a request for shipping quotes and a request to meet also indicate interest.

Since I will be liquidating most of my collection of over 40 years, I’d like to establish a good relationship with the members here, and not upset any potential future buyers.

Grim was correct here in asking that the listing be removed. This protects both parties. Everything goes back to status quo and neither party feels like they “got taken” by the other guy.

In the future, I’ll add a shipping fee in to eliminate similar issues.

I agree with you Anthony. Unfortunately you are kind of caught in the middle here. I don't think anyone would dispute whether or not Rodney had an Interest. It is a sweet deal, I pondered buying it myself. None the less Interest and unexpressed Intent do not constitute a Deal

 

[AnthonyKalil]

I agree that I’m caught in the middle. I don’t want to be the bad guy.

You are correct that his interest did not constitute a deal, however, as I read the rules, he had first right of refusal for approximately 12 hours. I thought the second interested party confirmed Rodneys intent by stating that he would be interested as well, if Rodney “passed” on the deal.

I don’t think the 12 hour rule would exist if all deals were done and final at the first communication. It takes time to work out the details. I think the spirit of the rule is to allow parties to come to an agreement and discuss issue like shipping or logistics. If Rodney and I could not have agreed on shipping costs, or the 12 hour window had passed (on his side) I’d say that would have reengaged discussions with other potential buyers.

The issue is that both parties’ have valid points.

I agree with you Anthony. Unfortunately you are kind of caught in the middle here. I don't think anyone would dispute whether or not Rodney had an Interest. It is sweet deal, I pondered buying it myself. None the less Interest and unexpressed Intent do not constitute a Deal

 

[MikeMayberry]

Ok, I'm going to go one more round here and I'm out. This has gone to far already.

#5- If there is any((((LEGITIMATE OFFERS OR DEALS)))) pending between a potential buyer and seller any other interested individuals need to allow a reasonable time for a response to said ((((DEAL/OFFER)))) (at least 12 hours).



He has first right of refusal regarding what? Any LEGITIMATE OFFERS OR DEALS.

What Is the definition of a DEAL?

an AGREEMENT ENTERED INTO by two or more parties for their mutual benefit, especially in a business or political context.

What is the definition of an OFFER?

PRESENT or PROFFER (something) for (someone) to ACCEPT or REJECT as so desired

When I read through this whole thread. Can I see Interest? Yes, definitely. I had Interest myself. Did I say or do anything to make that clear to anyone? NO.

However I challenge anyone here to show me where a legitimate offer or deal was presented and accepted or rejected? Sorry, In your own mind doesn't count. I wanna see It on the hard copy where It Is clear to everyone watching. Please anyone. Point that out to me. Cause I missed It.

To quote you Anthony

"You are correct that his interest did not constitute a deal" You say yourself. There was no Deal. What must come first the Offer or the Deal? Obviously the offer must come first before there can be a deal. You say yourself, there was neither. So you have settled your own dilemma.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Again sorry for limited access while I am away. I suggest everyone read rule #5 especially the part about questions. A question was asked about shipping, no offer made. That post was edited AFTER Mike's post to purchase. There is nothing further here to discuss, Mike was the first to say "I'll take it" and the sale goes to him.

 

[AnthonyKalil]

Hi Mike,

The rule states #5- If there is any((((LEGITIMATE OFFERS OR DEALS)))) pending between a potential buyer and seller any other interested individuals need to allow a reasonable time for a response to said ((((DEAL/OFFER)))) (at least 12 hours).

The key here is “OR DEALS PENDING”


If your accepted definition of a deal is “An Agreement Entered Into” then you are missing the scope of how it is written in rule 5. Why would you give a 12 hour window when you have An Agreement that you have Entered Into? If you use your definition, then the agreement is already finalized. This makes no sense.

You are correct. He did not write an offer, but it was implied. I don’t think anyone who saw the price I offered it at was going to try to beat me up on it. The second request for shipping confirmed this to me.

But he did not need to. The legal wording of Rule 5 states Legitimate Offer OR Deal.


My cousin is my corporate attorney and he pointed me to some definitions this morning of Business Deal as it is interpreted in rule 5:

Business dealings means communicating with (whether via email, telephone or otherwise), invoicing, or generally interacting with in the ordinary course of business.

Business dealings means transactions between the parties to constitute a legally binding contract for performance of services.

Business Deal
A mutual agreement or communication between two parties who want to do business

Business dealings means any negotiations, transactions or other interactions between a party or entity, and a current or prospective client, employee, contingent worker, supplier or other third party.


A deal is just that. A negotiation. It is usually entered into between two parties that will mutually benefit from the outcome. Rodney wanted the engine, and was looking to arrange shipping or pickup. I wanted to sell it. We were working a deal. This is why there is a 12 hour window allowed. If you interpret it as you have, there would be no reason to Finalize a Deal and get 12 hours to sleep on it.

I deal with many contract negotiations in my line of work. I thought I interpreted Rule 5 correctly. My attorney confirmed this a few minutes ago, although he mentioned that the rule can be open to interpretations.

Both Grim and Rodney feel like they are correct. The issues are not with them. The issue is that Rule 5 does not define the word Deal as many here are trying to interpret it, and nor should it. A deal is a process. Rodney and I were engaged in a process. Others had commented on the engine regarding pickling, but those were just comments. A request for shipping quotes and possible meetups is an intent to purchase- this is defined as “Dealing”. Rule 5 is clear about Deals Pending.

In all of my business contracts, we spell out the definitions of the terms to avoid doubt. Perhaps we need to more clearly define what constitutes a deal here, as I am only going by the Legal Business Definition.

 

[Wasted wages]

The " Don " has spoken......

 

[SayMikey]

117 posts maybe we should all kick in 5 bucks and put Rodney on the water? Sounds like he just want to run a boat

 

[AnthonyKalil]

117 posts maybe we should all kick in 5 bucks and put Rodney on the water? Sounds like he just want to run a boat

I offered him a K&B outboard leg at no cost but it would not work for him. I’d kick in $5

 

[FloridaScaleBoater]

There is an OS 21 OB for sale on RC Groups for the same $$$