New IMPBA Db Rule

[Joe_Knesek]

why dont the rule book just state that all boats need a muffled devies

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It does!

 

[Don Ferrette]

why dont the rule book just state that all boats need a muffled devies

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Because of those who insist on trying to cheat this already existing rule is not working. :angry:

 

[Don Ferrette]

"Don,

I must have misunderstood. We are taking an existing rule and saying that your muffling device must work. How is this cloudy?"

I guess I should have said it differently, my mistake. What I really meant to say is the more wording we give a rule, the more some seem to find ways to bend it. That's kinda where I was going with "95, you meet or you don't" approach. Straight, simple & to the point. :mellow:

 

[Joe_Knesek]

"Don,I must have misunderstood. We are taking an existing rule and saying that your muffling device must work. How is this cloudy?"

I guess I should have said it differently, my mistake. What I really meant to say is the more wording we give a rule, the more some seem to find ways to bend it. That's kinda where I was going with "95, you meet or you don't" approach. Straight, simple & to the point. :mellow:

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Exactly!

This sort of reminds me of a rule pushed by the board about 15 years ago that required riggers to have launch handles. Dick Tyndall was our district director and like always, he inforced the rule. One day he asked me to toss in his 20 Mongoose. Problem was, the handle was mounted on top of the strut. He insisted that I use the handle and as I launched the boat, the prop made 3 passes through my fingers. I spent the next 4 hours getting them put back together.

My point is, somethimes, these things need to be thought out a bit and I'm not convinced this rule was.

 

[Pennywizz6]

AHHH!!! THEM DEMOCRATS ARE AT IT AGAIN!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Phil :blink: <_<

 

[Don Templeton]

Do you really think that if we got all the boats down to 90db or even 85db that it would make any difference? I don't think so. There are always going to be intolerant people out there that are going to cause trouble for any group they are not a part of.

 

[Don Ferrette]

"Do you really think that if we got all the boats down to 90db or even 85db that it would make any difference?"

Yup, just ask any of the guys who run in Europe. :blink:

 

[EatMyShortsRacing]

Do you really think that if we got all the boats down to 90db or even 85db that it would make any difference? I don't think so. There are always going to be intolerant people out there that are going to cause trouble for any group they are not a part of.

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Of course it would. If you do have a noise complaint and you can show your boat is compliant with "national body" regulations and they are equal to or more harsh than government regulations you have bargaining power.

Without that you have a lifetime ticket to be kicked off any lake at any time.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Do you really think that if we got all the boats down to 90db or even 85db that it would make any difference? I don't think so. There are always going to be intolerant people out there that are going to cause trouble for any group they are not a part of.

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Of course it would. If you do have a noise complaint and you can show your boat is compliant with "national body" regulations and they are equal to or more harsh than government regulations you have bargaining power.

Without that you have a lifetime ticket to be kicked off any lake at any time.

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Very well put Craig.

 

[Big Red Machine]

If clubs don't start enforcing the db limit, then it will never sink in to the contestants that IMPBA is serious. Pretty small investment to buy a tripod and a meter and start measuring. Only have to set up for the first round and if no violators, then take it down.

A very large percentage of the mfflers added today are a joke and are for compliance to the "design" rule, and are not quieting the boats. And the racers will continue to snub their noses until they are measured and pulled off the course. Stating the noise limit in the flyer and the driver's meeting would be enough fair warning.

What I hear some of you say, and what any corporation would do, is to get tough and enforce the noise limit hard for the good of the sport, not to punish. Once everyone sees we are serious, then we can all work to keep lowering the number to 85 db. I would recommend 95 now, 90 in 2006, and 85 by 2007 season. It can be done and Criag hit an excellent point: if we are compliant with common db laws across the country, then no one can shut you down and we are good "corporate" citizens working with the community, not thumbing our noses or hoping to not get caught.

My $0.03

 

[AWaddle322]

Joe is right it is a noise issue. When someone can convience me that allowing a boat to be a couple of db's louder is good for the cause I will change my stand on this. Joe it may not be a design issue but someone can take and say well i can make a megaphone to make my boat 95 db's. With what you are saying we could remove the megaphone rule to. Why be noiser than necessary?

Don, There is special provision in there for sactioned race events that are approved through each states governing body. Once again theses events you mentioned bring enough to each city ecenomy that it can be overlooked but I don't believe that even at the internats that we as model boaters bring enough to the city eceonomy to make up for even one unhappy person.

I was thinking about this some more last night and I am not sure that having a db meter on site could not be used agianst us. Most people do not know the difference between 86 db's and 95 db's and a someone at a sight could figure out we are above what is allowed for other combustion engines and this could also cause some real problems. I realy wish the rule that is already written worked but there are a couple of people that refuge to allow it to work.

Allen

 

[Grimracer]

I waters racers.

I really a have hard time seeing the point of this topic.. Make a toy boat make less noise.. How hard is that.. Or, is it the fact that you have been asked to do something you do not want to hear. We have kids in our daycare that can show you what happens when they are told things they dont want to hear. :blink:

OR, is it…

You boat will go slower and you might lose..

As for the boats going slower and all that BS.. if you dont become proactive in this then those that have done there home work will leave you in there wake again, and again, year after year..

Chances are that the fast guys will still be fast and the fish will still be fish.. this has little to do with the muffler.. as a mater of fact it has nothing to do with the muffler..

Good luck in 2005 guys.. Being quite is not the hard part.. Changing attitudes is. No question in my mind that IMPBA is on the right track.

Great thing about model boat racing is you can either join in or step aside.. I for one love model boating and want to keep doing it for years to come. My decision is to join in. A fricking muffler is not going to stop me form racing and having fun.. Cripes.. <_<

Looks like we have three main things here.

I don’t know how to make my boat quieter. :unsure: (honest concern)

I don’t like being told what to do.

Im going to lose racers because I have a muffler like everybody else on my boat.

I dont get it…

Grimracer

 

[brooks93]

you all could just convert to electric and you wouldn't lose any speed but, all the noise

(ducks and runs for cover) h34r:

 

[Don Templeton]

"OK,OK" Grim,

I guess I was a little gruff last night. All I want is a solid easy to understand rule!

95db max read from 50ft from the shoreline with the boat at full speed on the front straight.

Don <_<

 

[Grimracer]

I can dig it Don...

Its a touchy subject...

Convert to FE...... :blink: ...hehehhee..OK :huh: we got some of that too..

Grim

 

[Preston_Hall]

I might have missed something but isn't there 3 pages of people basically agreeing with each other?

3. The locals only care about the noise. They are not going to call the police because their keen eye noticed that someone was running an unmuffled pipe.

I'm sure some of the locals don't like to looks of my red boats. Does that mean we will be voting on acceptible boat color in the next Roostertail?

I am not against the noise thing but that's funny! And true.

There are always going to be intolerant people out there that are going to cause trouble for any group they are not a part of.

Less likely but true.

Of course it would. If you do have a noise complaint and you can show your boat is compliant with "national body" regulations and they are equal to or more harsh than government regulations you have bargaining power.
Without that you have a lifetime ticket to be kicked off any lake at any time.

True, but the right person will always get you removed. Don't forget the EPA issue, as mentioned, and the way many boaters run on public waters and putting the public in potential harms way.

I would recommend 95 now, 90 in 2006, and 85 by 2007 season.

I say if it is going to be 85 in the future then just do it now so that we won't keep waisting money and time playing these games.

 

[Slideblues]

If I may say something, There is a unique perpespective in Prestons last statement. That is the first Org. to have a nation wide compliance on noise is going to have it made in tha shade as opposed to others. For instance law enforcement shows up at a race, CD shows the approiate paperwork stating compliance, Done and have a nice day.

Its just food for thought...........

 

[Watercadet]

Maybe this goes allong the lines of my Steve Forbes Vote for Prez but, why not make one rule that says get under 95db (or 85db or what ever). Why is there care how it's done? The multi rule thing just makes my tremble with right wing fear of the Dems furthering the breaucracy. That is my NAMBA point of $.02

Adam

 

[Don Ferrette]

If clubs don't start enforcing the db limit, then it will never sink in to the contestants that IMPBA is serious.  Pretty small investment to buy a tripod and a meter and start measuring.  Only have to set up for the first round and if no violators, then take it down.
A very large percentage of the mfflers added today are a joke and are for compliance to the "design" rule, and are not quieting the boats.  And the racers will continue to snub their noses until they are measured and pulled off the course.  Stating the noise limit in the flyer and the driver's meeting would be enough fair warning.

What I hear some of you say, and what any corporation would do, is to get tough and enforce the noise limit hard for the good of the sport, not to punish.  Once everyone sees we are serious, then we can all work to keep lowering the number to 85 db.  I would recommend 95 now, 90 in 2006, and 85 by 2007 season.  It can be done and Criag hit an excellent point: if we are compliant with common db laws across the country, then no one can shut you down and we are good "corporate" citizens working with the community, not thumbing our noses or hoping to not get caught.

My $0.03

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Good post BRM! B)

 

[Bart Drieghe]

As Don mentioned " Europe"

Yes it does make difference , we have a db limit of 80-82 and YES u can easily pick out the ones going 90 or more (in the group of 80-82 db ), there is NO question about that .

Yes the community will appreciate it , remember that the noise we make stays , its not like a bike or so that passes by and leaves again .

Regarding the mufflers , No , we don't care how u do it , get below the max of 82 db and u're fine , above and u get a first warning , in the second heat same db measuring and u're dsq . If u would do a third heat with the same db u're probably taken out the race .

Questions about the mufflers for u guys , why is it so needed ? i mean , if u can get your boat lower then the db rule then u're oki aren't u ? and if it is needed , who checks it ? another person needed for this ?

Why not keep it simple and say 95 DB , under it and u can race , above , first warning , second heat same = DSQ .

btw , another remark , its not always the exhaust that makes the noise , it can be the engine mounting , prop , etc etc .

Anyways , i think the way to go is yes for the DB rule . But thats my silly european idea about it

Gone into silence , (read : im off to bed lol )

Bart