Wow! Prices.

[Wasted wages]

Each supercharger draws approximately 200 amps at 480 vac from the electrical power grid while charging ( 250 amps x 400 vdc supplied to the car )
X 24 chargers shown in the above picture...
= 4800 amps under full load.

Multiply that by a charging station every 50 miles.. where do they think that kind of power is going to come from ??
When you start to do the math, it becomes quickly apparent that this plan is not sustainable with our current power grid.

Smoke and mirrors folks...

 

[FloridaScaleBoater]

Ok Mic, this thread started off as a "WOW the price of stuff today"
I had asked these VERY easy and direct questions previously and received NO answers!
1: Who is to blame for the high price of gas?
In my mind it is Joe Biden. His first day in office he shut down the Keystone pipeline.
Canceled drilling permits on federal land, hand cuffed the offshore drilling in federal waters.
What did this lead to? Dependants on Russia, Venezuela, and some other little corrupt 3rd world country for crude oil at extremely higher prices.
So, who is to blame?
2: How in you mind is the flood of illegal immigrants OK coming across our southern border and who is to blame?
Joe Biden shut down the construction of the southern border wall, leaving already paid for materials sitting on the ground and paying off the previously negotiated construction contracts.
How is this GOOD for the U.S.?
I did have other questions but can't think of the others0

As far as the "Bleach Vaccine" no!
I opted to forgo the ***!!

And no one on the left seems to want to answer these couple-a questions, HUMMM!!

 

[Hydro Junkie]

And no one on the left seems to want to answer these couple-a questions, HUMMM!!

Does that surprise you? If the White House won't give a straight answer and shifts the blame to everyone else but themselves, why would you expect more from anyone here?

 

[HTV Boats]

And no one on the left seems to want to answer these couple-a questions, HUMMM!!

Rick,
Sorry for the delay as I felt this thread was getting more positive with facts and figures and sparring with Don doesn't improve things.
I can't give a definitive answer to why gas and prices are going nuts. It is a bit more complex and open for discussions like this.
Keystone Pipeline is alive and pumping oil. Keystone XL is not complete and not going to solve gas prices any time soon.
Fact Check: The 'Keystone' Pipeline Was NOT 'Just About Completed' When Biden Stopped It | Lead Stories
Looking at the project it is mired in controversy between environmentalists and oil companies. Nothing new there. Does it solve the fuel issues, or pollute? Choose your side and vote for who you feel will reflect your view.
Mic

 

[FloridaScaleBoater]

Rick,
Sorry for the delay as I felt this thread was getting more positive with facts and figures and sparring with Don doesn't improve things.
I can't give a definitive answer to why gas and prices are going nuts. It is a bit more complex and open for discussions like this.
Keystone Pipeline is alive and pumping oil. Keystone XL is not complete and not going to solve gas prices any time soon.
Fact Check: The 'Keystone' Pipeline Was NOT 'Just About Completed' When Biden Stopped It | Lead Stories
Looking at the project it is mired in controversy between environmentalists and oil companies. Nothing new there. Does it solve the fuel issues, or pollute? Choose your side and vote for who you feel will reflect your view.
Mic

Your thoughts on the southern border?
As that was one of my questions also.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Rick,
Sorry for the delay as I felt this thread was getting more positive with facts and figures and sparring with Don doesn't improve things.

Sparring? Really Mic? You came on talking about EVs and hybrids, I replied how we are nowhere close to being able to support any increase of them yet on the grid (we aren't) and brought up the well known dangers of EV batteries and you respond with irrelevant (and very rare) magnesium fires in VWs then started on your Trump bashing with the bleach comment. I again respond with the situation supporting EVs on our current extremely fragile grid and how vulnerable that same grid is and it's Trump again with how you were offended by his locker room talk. That's diversion plain and simple. You're a good dude and a smart guy but you haven't actually addressed legitimate facts myself, Al, Rick or Mark have brought up. I have never said I'm against EVs, I'm not. However it's well known (yet very suppressed) that we are a minimum 5 years and hundreds of billions of dollars away from our grid being able to support even a modest 20% increase in EVs nationally (our national power grid has been severely neglected for many years). We have no standardized safety protocols in place to deal with the extreme dangers present in EVs crashes or the hazmat situations those crashes create and that is a HUGE problem. We will get there eventually but the way the current administration is waging all out war (exactly what Biden said he was going to do during the election) on the petroleum industry is completely insane. And the lines of BS in hiding/deflecting/denying it's that coming out of the WH these days gets more outrageous by the day. This is happening because they WANT IT TO HAPPEN. Biden decared war on the oil industry from day one and we are feeling the results of it................

 

[HTV Boats]

Your thoughts on the southern border?
As that was one of my questions also.

Is this a trap. The problems at the border don't affect much in my world. Unless the robo calls I get in Spanish daily are Mexican gangs.
I don't think a wall is and end all or great solution. Portions help but the real issue to me is an inconsistent immigration policy that gets picked at and kicked down the road. Yes, drug smuggling is an issue. If I wanted to move a sizable amount, I sure wouldn't break it up, find a workforce to distribute it with individual mules and then try to gather it back up across the border. (Labor intensive and inefficient) People like El Chapo can afford to build tunnels you can drive a truck through.
Ask me about capital punishment to clear the prison system. Life with no chance of rehabilitation means bye bye to me. A warden interviewed years ago when asked about witnessing an execution replied," I have seen 17 executions in my career, all I can say is there are 17 people who won't be repeat offenders. Again not on task with prices.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Is this a trap. The problems at the border don't affect much in my world. Unless the robo calls I get in Spanish daily are Mexican gangs.
I don't think a wall is and end all or great solution. Portions help but the real issue to me is an inconsistent immigration policy that gets picked at and kicked down the road. Yes, drug smuggling is an issue. If I wanted to move a sizable amount, I sure wouldn't break it up, find a workforce to distribute it with individual mules and then try to gather it back up across the border. (Labor intensive and inefficient) People like El Chapo can afford to build tunnels you can drive a truck through.
Ask me about capital punishment to clear the prison system. Life with no chance of rehabilitation means bye bye to me. A warden interviewed years ago when asked about witnessing an execution replied," I have seen 17 executions in my career, all I can say is there are 17 people who won't be repeat offenders. Again not on task with prices.

I can agree with most of what you said Mic but we still need the wall for helping reduce day to day border jumping. Kinda funny how all the politicians who are against the wall being finished.......... have big walls surrounding their homes. Our immigration policy is as consistent as the weather but the current wide open border policy from Biden is a disaster. You want to come to America? Great, do it legally.... like the 7 different people I know did over the years (they get more pissed off about illegals than any U.S. born person I know). Drug smuggling? Again you're right in thinking big when when it comes to cocaine and weed but times have changed, you can fit 10 million dollars worth of fetanyl in a child's backpack and over 80% of smuggled fetanyl is coming across the southern border. Capital punishment...... you and I are on the same page.

 

[HTV Boats]

Don,
Yes the locker room talk is very offensive to me and more so to women I know. Be it Trump or anyone. You don't like my source on Tara Reade. If you read the Wikipedea account, it has footnotes to several other sources and authors. It also points out correctly no legal action. Or payoff's and NDA's Just her word and his word.
I am well aware of battery hazards from cell phones to automobiles. It will be dealt with and progress in technology and safety will happen. The magnesium fires came to my attention from a lipo battery conversation with Ralph Almirola who shared his first experience on the fire dept with a flaming VW. Wasn't a one-time experience for firemen.
You support and vote as you wish, and I will do the same. Thats what makes America great. (no pun intended)
I am for sure not putting 10mil in a backpack on a scared 12-year-old kid. Not even if he can outswim Michael Phelps
Mic

 

[jim hagan]

It was more than obvious-to the un-indoctrinated, non-sheep minds-
that Trump's bleach comment was a joke and a slam to the leftist tards out there... no?... just look at his facial gestures when he made that remark.
But, no, the leftist mind is so steeped in hatred, let alone in such a ludicrous state, all y'all missed that.

Wake up... Trump carried much more favorable numbers in matters beneficial to this nation than either Brandon or your community ghetto organizing carnival barker, Osambo, ever did.

Liars can figure, but figures don't lie.

"liars can figure but figures don't lie". Is this a comment on gas prices or Trumps stolen election theory?

Have a good day

 

[Grimracer]

Still just wathcin CNN eh Jim.. Its really all they can drum up for news.. Not the 40+ dead on the border earlier.. or the large stash of fentanyl that was ceased. Or that those brining it over are getting a light sentence (what could BE weapons' of mass death).

Good luck everybody.. and please vote!

Grim

 

[Don Ferrette]

This is actually a good video on EVs, the guy talking keeps it neutral-

 

[Grimracer]

Thanks Don!

Grim

 

[Hydro Junkie]

To extend my series on why NOT to buy an electric truck, I found another video that shows the difference in range between the max tow equipped Ford F150 Lightning and a GMC Sierra Denali with a 6.2 liter gas engine. The anemic range of the Lightning was dramatically shown since both trucks were pulling identical(or as close to that as they could get) 6,000lb toyhauler trailers. Here's the video with the results:

As sad as that is, I can go almost twice as far pulling my 5,600lb camp trailer WITH A 4.3 V-6 POWERED S-10!!!!

 

[HTV Boats]

This is actually a good video on EVs, the guy talking keeps it neutral-

Good info and for me it points out that at some point we really need to address just burning fossil fuel. Watch the whole thing. If you want to not constantly being held hostage by oil you find ways to not use it.
EV's will evolve and hopefully power plants will also. It won't happen overnight but has to start somewhere, sometime. Solar, wind, hydro electric, geo thermal and who knows what technology will bring. Your cell phone has probably more technology than NASA had going to the moon. If we don't figure it out someone else will. As I said my next vehicle if I live that long will be a plug in Hybrid.
Mic

 

[Mike Cathey]

The elephant in the room about electric cars is what's the prime mover? Here in Washington, we have hydroelectric power so electric cars make a lot of sense if you aren't traveling too far. In most of the rest of the country electricity is mostly generated from burning oil, coal or natural gas in a boiler to make steam to turn a turbine to turn a reduction gear to turn a generator to produce electricity. The electric car is still getting it energy (prime mover) from fossil fuels so what the heck have you really gained? Whether carbon emissions come from the tailpipe of a car or the stack of a powerplant makes little difference.

Wind and solar are iffy propositions because obviously sometimes the wind doesn't blow nor enough light (cloudy days and at night) for solar cells to produce the quantity of electricity we are consuming. I think all of these alternative sources are important and it all helps shoulder a little of the demand and that the technology should be advanced, but it's totally unrealistic at this juncture that these alternatives to fossil fuels can remotely provide enough electrical energy to meet the total demand.

Battery development will never stop, nor will the goal of developing more efficient electric motors, chargers and control systems as well as making cars completely out of composites for weight and strength advantages. In 75 years (if that long) the electric car will probably be powered by a battery the size of a deck of cards.

Even the hard-core environmentalists are acknowledging that the only way to supplant fossil fuels for electricity production in the relatively short-term is by going nuclear.

 

[scottnewkirk]

https://www.rt.com/news/555439-putin-price-hike-us/
People are aware of the Biden ******** and democrat corruption.

Putin is going to expose all the evil doings Biden,Obama,and Clinton have been doing to expand the corruptive power of the evil DNC. That's why Biden is spending recklessly to cover all of the Ukrainian corruption they've seeded.
One has to be pretty ******* stupid not to comprehend that reality, folks.

I wish you were right. If Putin does expose their evil doings, we'll never see it, it will be passed off as the delusions of a mad man or some other smoke screen that they will spin up.

I do, I really hope you're right and I am not

 

[scottnewkirk]

In my job, I deal with with people for my entire shift and, unfortunately, have found many have no clue on how to use simple hand tools and even less ability to do basic math.

I used to support a shop making airplane interiors and one time had a problem with a hole that was consistently mis-located by .105 stow bin after stow, etc.

While investigating the source of the problem I found the lead in this production area couldn't even read a 6" scale and he had been at the company for 15+ years

 

[Don Ferrette]

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[Al Hobbs]

The whole gas price thing is a sham anyway because the gas (petrol) you are buying today was probably refined many, many months ago using input crude oil supplies which were purchased as part of a "futures" contract many, many months before that. The current dramatic increase in the price of crude oil is just being used as a cover to "price gouge" consumers in the same way that gas prices didn't fall dramatically during the recent periods of a lower crude oil prices during Covid.
Totalitarian regimes with State control of gas production have very little fluctuation in prices year on year.

The gasoline being shipped out of a refinery to wholesalers today was refined within the past week and blended within the past 48 hours.

The gasoline shipped through pipelines takes longer, but definitely not months.

Remember, winter blends have to meet different specifications than the gasoline sold in the summer. Summer blends can't ignite as easily in cold weather. Winter blends have to be lighter to ignite in frigid weather.

Summer blends provide better mileage because of the heavier molecules. Winter blends in northen states will contain butane to help it ignite.

So, no, the gasoline sold at the refineries today was not produced months ago.

It is a different story for crude oil depending on the original well location.