Wow! Prices.

[Hydro Junkie]

Found a video today that, if the guy is correct, could give a hint of just how deep the rot goes in the swamp:

 

[Jarcaines]

I suppose this is all Joe Biden's fault too?

 

[Grimracer]

Would be nice to see this very same chart from say.. 2018 or so.

Do you have that one?

Grim

 

[Jarcaines]

Would be nice to see this very same chart from say.. 2018 or so.

Do you have that one?

Grim

I don’t have a graphic, but I’m guessing we can look them up on that source link at the bottom of the image. I might be able to do that in a little bit.

 

[Hydro Junkie]

This might tell everyone something:

 

[Hydro Junkie]

JR and Grim,
I went to that website and they want a $28 fee for the information from 2018. Needless to say, I'm not going to pay it.

 

[LeePinney]

I think that there is a key piece to this puzzle missing. The prices in the chart shows A snapshot of the prices on 5/28/2022. What was the price on say 1/28/2022, or 1/28/2021?

In California 1/28/2021, we paid just over $2.35 a gallon, today we are sneaking up on $7.00 a gallon. And that is most certainly Joe Bidens fault.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Just go back to the 2020 debates, Biden made it VERY clear that they were going after the oil industry. Besides, you can't get people to buy EVs when gas is cheap. Anyone who doesn't think this is happening by design needs to wake up...................

 

[Hydro Junkie]

Unfortunately, high gas prices don't do anything for $50,000+ price tags on said electric cars that make most unable to afford them. Worse still, just like a gas or diesel powered vehicle, you load it down or have it start towing something and that electric vehicle's range drops by at least the same amount, if not more than an internal combustion powered vehicle. The biggest drawback is that you can fill the fuel tank of a petroleum powered vehicle in minutes where it can take up to several hours to recharge the battery bank of an electric vehicle

 

[Hydro Junkie]

Almost had to laugh at this one

and had to agree with parts of this one

 

[Hydro Junkie]

Okay guys, fuel prices may be getting worse

 

[Hydro Junkie]

And, to add to my last post, Energy Secretary Granholm just called out the time frame the Democrats plan to be fossil fuel free, Joe Biden will be long dead by then. Check this video out so you can hear what she says for yourself:

 

[Grimracer]

For me.. as soon as they can lubricate the stamping machines that make the body panels with electrons.. then I will keep buying gasoline powered cars.

 

[Hydro Junkie]

As far as I'm concerned, I'm sticking with my gas burners until the DOE can prove that an electric car can be charged as fast as a gas tank can be filled. Three of my four vehicles have 18 gallon fuel tanks and I can have them back on the road in under 10 minutes. The fourth has a 26 gallon tank and I can have it moving in under 15. There is no way I can get an electric vehicle going again, with a full charge, in less than 1.5-2 hours. Here is a trio of videos that show how well an F-150 Lightning does pulling a load, going cross country and when compared to three other types of powered trucks:

 

[Steve Seebold]

I went in to Costco on day to buy gas and a young man pulled in behind me. When he got out of his car he said “can you believe it, gas is down to $3.50 a gallon?”

I told him when I was his age we has gas wars and I remember seeing regular gas for 19.9 cents per gallon.

I worked in a Mobil station when I got out of high school in 1963 and I remember premium (ethyl) was 39.9 cents per gallon.

 

[Timbo Whalen]

Unfortunately, high gas prices don't do anything for $50,000+ price tags on said electric cars that make most unable to afford them. Worse still, just like a gas or diesel powered vehicle, you load it down or have it start towing something and that electric vehicle's range drops by at least the same amount, if not more than an internal combustion powered vehicle. The biggest drawback is that you can fill the fuel tank of a petroleum powered vehicle in minutes where it can take up to several hours to recharge the battery bank of an electric vehicle

And the #1 caveat?... charging stations that are powered by fossil fueled powerplants.
Oh, charging at home?... second verse, same as the first... do you really think that charging potential comes riding in on a pink unicorn contained within a magic lantern in the form of three wishes???...

You leftist liberal shittards are a reeeeal special lot.

 

[Don Ferrette]

 

[Hydro Junkie]

What I found interesting is what I saw at the end of the four truck comparison video that I posted in my last post. The guys driving the three petroleum powered trucks were topped off in minutes after a 164.5 mile run where the Lightning had issues with the charging stations. It took the Lightning an hour to recharge from 36% back to where it started, at 90%.
With all that said, I found the Lightening to be unable to meet my needs. When I compare it to my two trucks, I find the only advantage would be it cost less to recharge than what I would pay to fill with regular unleaded fuel. My trucks, a 4.3 S-10 and a 5.3 Tahoe, both with automatics and rear wheel drive, get about the same mileage as the 6.2 automatic GMC used in the comparison. One thing they didn't mention was cost per mile for fuel. Using the numbers from the video, it costs 10.6 cents more per mile to run the gas truck over the LIghtening. The trade offs are that, per the Lightening's battery screen, it showed that, with 36% of the battery left, it could only go another 90 miles. What it doesn't specify is if that would be to totally discharged or not. Regardless, it gives the electric truck a range of approximately 250 miles. In contrast, with the S-10 having an 18 gallon tank, I can(and have) gone 320+ miles while the Tahoe, with a 26 gallon tank, can top 500.
Now, let's throw a wrench in the gears. Let's thrown a 5000lb camp trailer into the mix:

• S-10 can handle 5600 lbs of tow weight with added receiver, break controller, wire harness and secondary transmission cooler using an equalized hitch package
• Tahoe can handle 10,000 lbs of tow weight with the factory installed tow package using an equalized hitch package, 5000 with a plain drawbar
• Lightening can handle 10,000 lbs of tow weight, per information given in the video, with the factory installed maximum tow package, don't know what kind of hitch set up they are using.

Now, as those that pull trailers know, you can pretty much figure the distance you can go pulling a trailer will be reduced by roughly 50%. This has been what I've gotten when pulling my trailer, roughly 150-160 miles with the S-10 and 260 with the Tahoe. Using the numbers provided in the towing test video, the Lightening can go up to roughly 150 miles on a charge. This gets back to what I stated in my previous post. Using the mileages above and starting at my house, when I go the the Columbia Cup R/C and H-1 races next month, I would need to refuel/recharge at the following points to make it to the race site:

• Lightning would get to Canyon Road in Ellensburg, spend at least an hour charging(as shown in the video) and then make it the rest of the way. It couldn't make it back to Canyon Road, however, without stopping in Richland, 8 miles away, to recharge again for another hour or more
• The S-10 would get to Canyon Road, Ellensburg and, after filling up(10 minutes or less) would make it to the race site. I would have to fill up again between the race site and, at best, Prosser, a total distance of 157 miles, before heading back to Ellensburg
• The Tahoe would make it all the way to Kennewick, requiring filling up just off the freeway at Badger Road, 251 miles in distance. I could then make it to the race site and back to south Marysville before having to fill up again

All of the above was based on no wind and little to no traffic, something not heard of in the Seattle area. It also doesn't take into account the fact that there are the Cascade Mountains in between the starting and destination points that would cut the mileage of each vehicle. With that said:

• I know that I can make Ellensburg, with the S-10 pulling the trailer as well as to the race site. I normally stop at the Canyon Road gas station, 140 miles from home, both going and returning from Kennewick, with a stop at the gas station on Badger Road, 111 miles away and only 7.7 miles to the race site, so I know I can make the trip with that rig.
• With the Tahoe, I normally stop at Prosser, 221 miles from home, both going to and from the race site. It's only 72 miles, round trip, to the race site and back to Prosser.

 

[HTV Boats]

At this point in time EV's are kind of at the model-T stage. Easy to make comparisons. Electric motors can be more efficient. Why do locomotives that tow seriously heavy loads, use electric motors and not direct drive from their diesels. There are going to be solutions and progress in a shorter time than you may think. I remember working in a warehouse with electric forklifts. If there was time you plugged them in or exchanged the heavy battery with another. Maybe certain car or truck batteries will get standardized and at a station on the Hwy. you will just exchange batteries.
My next vehicle will be a plug in hybrid. 33 or so miles to an at home charge and fuel motor to go further like a conventional hybrid with the electric motors doing the hard work like acceleration. How many people could go to work 30 miles or less and charge there to get home and rarely use the gas motor. If you want to stay in a horse and buggy go for it.
Covid and lack of movement as bad as it was, did show us that air could get cleaner and with less demand the price of fuel went down. I am 73 and reality is all this will have little effect on my quality of life. Yeah things will cost more but it's money my kids will have to do without or earn on their own. Maybe taking the first hard steps for a better world for our grandchildren is a better legacy
Mic

 

[Hydro Junkie]

Totally agree with you , Mic, on the Model T comparison. However, it's not the motors that are the issue, at least as I see it. Where I see the issue is the batteries. As the guys talked about in the comparison video, the hybrid has a fairly small battery, the Lightning has a very large. The problem is, for all intents and purposes, the battery bank in them are not much better than, in the R/C model world, a nicad pack. Granted, motors and gear drives have a long way to go, considering they aren't even using brushless motors in the trucks yet. For now, I might consider an EV when the range is substantially increased(with the same size batteries) and the charging time is cut in half from what it is now