What is faster a JAE or a EAGLE SGX?

[Rokieboater]

My SGX is way faster and turns better than my JAE.. Hands down.

Of course the JAE is still on the bench and not tested yet.

Robert

 

[Rokieboater]

My SGX is way faster and turns better than my JAE.. Hands down.

Of course the JAE is still on the bench and not tested yet.

Robert

Beau,

I might be able to get you a new .21 sgx if your interested , but it will not be cheap. I can do a used one RTR or just hull and hardware if you want.

Robert

 

[Speed Jr.]

Im really not trying to be mean by saying this, but hell Im gunna say it anyway.....Why would someone be willing to pay lets say $500+ for a hull that isnt as advanced as a $90 Kit/$200 built JAE? Im not even talking about the SGX, Im talking about all the conventional style outriggers available out there....An SGX/Blackbird/Jag/Hawk can still win races no doubt, but they will be handicapped against a cluster of JAE's especially in rough water.....and in the turns.... By the end of this next year a JAE/JAE style boat will own most if not all the oval records....Just look at what Aaron has done in Australia. The more JAE's people get there hands on, the further behiend the rest of the conventional style hulls will lag. Again, sorry if this offends anyone here, I dont have that intention.

Yes, Im on the JAE Team, but if anyone and I mean ANYONE were to offer me one of those bid dollar riggers RTR setup by the best guru out there, for my JAE 21 I got from Zippkits and built EXACTLY by the instructions, I would have to ask them why I would want to downgrade...ps, Ive owned some of those big dollar riggers and loved them...no complaints. Just time to move on...

Jr.

 

[Jerry Muro]

Hey Larry great post you have to Love building a boat and having it handle the way a JAE handles and Runs. I have two under my belt a 21 nitro and a 21 FE one is better than the other. Also have a gas JAE on the bench reminds me of the Whiplash turns faster in the turns than down the shoot.

 

[bbhawker]

Just wondering if the JAE is so bad why was there none at the NATS? I won b hydro with a hawk last year at Hobart and I believe the JAE was there! Actually I know it was there. Oh by the way I bought my Hawk kit for $90. Brad Beckner

 

[julianconde]

Larry i would have to agree with you as far as price and yes the Jae is definitely a buy better bang for the buck. performance wise i have seen the Jae run and its a awesome running boat also. I like the SGX for the looks but it also has the performance like any rigger to get the job done. Steve Ball has a awesome and very fast rigger its not a Jae.i have also seen some SGX riggers run very extremely fast and handle very good also. The way the Jae looks also gives it an advantage also very slick and small compare to the SGX that has wider sponsons probably heavy compare to the Jae rigger. You also forgot about the SST rigger also its a very fast and extremely well performer also and carries greats speeds on the turns too.

Money wise i would say the JAE rigger has the better bang for the buck not everyone is willing to put out the money to buy a SGX. The SGX is more expensive but they all have very good performance.At the hands of a very good experience racer i would say both boats can be rockets and very good performers it all comes to the setup thats the key to the game.

I own SG,SGX and SST riggers i will eventually buy a JAE rigger to do some more additional testing and actually collect data thru a Data logger on all 4 riggers and then i will come to the conclusion on what rigger is the best once i collect all the data necesary to support the overall BEST.

We can talk and dispute all day what rigger is the best under any condition but the data you collect from each rigger wont lie..

My 2 cents on the Best rigger deal..

 

[John Knight]

Don't forget one very important element - YOUR personal driving style. It DOES make a huge difference with any hull, being rigger, scale, mono, gas, etc. How you drive your boat can very well determine what hull & engine, actually the entire package, is best suited for you. Just think about it.

And the second part of that equation is the normal racing conditions you generally run in. Some boats are stronger and better built than others for rougher water and wind conditions. Some are better for lighter winds and water conditions. Some even have a mix of both. Just go to the races and watch carefully what everyone has in their fleet, and how they run with their driving styles. Then compare yours to the one(s) closest to your own. In other words, watch your competition, and know yourself. Just remember, the fastest LAP times wins races, not often the fastest boat wins.

 

[JRXHydros]

Larry i would have to agree with you as far as price and yes the Jae is definitely a buy better bang for the buck. performance wise i have seen the Jae run and its a awesome running boat also. I like the SGX for the looks but it also has the performance like any rigger to get the job done. Steve Ball has a awesome and very fast rigger its not a Jae.i have also seen some SGX riggers run very extremely fast and handle very good also. The way the Jae looks also gives it an advantage also very slick and small compare to the SGX that has wider sponsons probably heavy compare to the Jae rigger. You also forgot about the SST rigger also its a very fast and extremely well performer also and carries greats speeds on the turns too.

Money wise i would say the JAE rigger has the better bang for the buck not everyone is willing to put out the money to buy a SGX. The SGX is more expensive but they all have very good performance.At the hands of a very good experience racer i would say both boats can be rockets and very good performers it all comes to the setup thats the key to the game.

I own SG,SGX and SST riggers i will eventually buy a JAE rigger to do some more additional testing and actually collect data thru a Data logger on all 4 riggers and then i will come to the conclusion on what rigger is the best once i collect all the data necesary to support the overall BEST.

We can talk and dispute all day what rigger is the best under any condition but the data you collect from each rigger wont lie..

My 2 cents on the Best rigger deal..

Don't forget the canard when you do your testing lol

 

[henry velasco]

Hi to all rigger racer,s

All I have raced is 45/60/80 SGX,S (NAMBA B/C/X HYDRO) AND ALL THESE BOAT,S ARE FIVE TO SIX YEAR,S OLD and are still among some of the best handling and running boats a racer can ask for -- you get what you pay for if you follow the instrutions of the manufactor - any manufactor

Like said above it,s up to your needs

Respectfully

Henry

 

[Joe Petro]

you get what you pay for if you follow the instrutions of the manufactor - any manufactor

Like said above it,s up to your needs

Respectfully

Henry

So if we raise the price of our kits by $300, they will perform better?

Maybe I don't understand that statement...

Joe

 

[Duck899]

Actually, I think its important to keep this thread on track. We are talking 21 size boats right now. Not 45,67,84 SG-SGX, etc.... I have run my 21 boat since 2004 and when your used to a boat and then get the oppurtunity to drive another boat (JAE) on the same day, its easy to draw comparisons. On another note, all the 21 hydros can be made to be just as fast as each other. Straight line speed can easily be equaled by all hydro's if you spend the time with them. Now, for lap times and 6 lap heats it may be different and that is where the JAE will have the advantage in the hands of the average boater. With a more seasoned racer with lots of driving experience, the lap times will be even quicker and more consistant. So while all the 21 boats may be as fast as one another in a straight line, the JAE should turn quicker laps and therefore quicker overall because of its light weight. Also the ability to run in rougher water does not hurt either. After a complete year of racing with a JAE 21 we shall see how they hold up to the pounding and abuse of racing. For me, I get alot more excited racing the JAE vs my old eagle sg.....

 

[henry velasco]

As a manufactor you should know what I meant -- ouality of wood -- fit of parts -- ease of assembly -- consistenty of hulls etc

I did not mean to stir anr pot,s just stating CMDI makes a VERY GOOD KIT will worth the money

That,s it

Henry

 

[Duck899]

As a manufactor you should know what I meant -- ouality of wood -- fit of parts -- ease of assembly -- consistenty of hulls etc

I did not mean to stir anr pot,s just stating CMDI makes a VERY GOOD KIT will worth the money

That,s it

Henry

Henry, does CMDi make a kit? In all the time I have seen eagles, they all have been 80% built at a mininum. To me, thats not a kit. Someone (John Brown) has built the sponsons and the tub. I built a few 80% boats and they took no time at all but were very expensive. And, like you say, you get what ya pay for. Maybe CMDi needs to make a true flat kit with all the parts and foam laid out with plans. The eagles were very good to me in the racing world and I still have 67 and 84 hulls. I just have a new itch to scratch now with the new JAE boat.

cheers

Rob Duckering

Namba #899

 

[Buckshot]

As a manufactor you should know what I meant -- ouality of wood -- fit of parts -- ease of assembly -- consistenty of hulls etc

I did not mean to stir anr pot,s just stating CMDI makes a VERY GOOD KIT will worth the money

That,s it

Henry

Henry, does CMDi make a kit? In all the time I have seen eagles, they all have been 80% built at a mininum. To me, thats not a kit. Someone (John Brown) has built the sponsons and the tub. I built a few 80% boats and they took no time at all but were very expensive. And, like you say, you get what ya pay for. Maybe CMDi needs to make a true flat kit with all the parts and foam laid out with plans. The eagles were very good to me in the racing world and I still have 67 and 84 hulls. I just have a new itch to scratch now with the new JAE boat.

cheers

Rob Duckering

Namba #899

Just because the boat comes in a flat kit and is cheaper in NO WAY means it's the same boat. An SG built by J. Brown from a stack of sticks will be different from an SG built by ....... from the same pile of sticks. Same with the JAP, BLACKBIRD, HAWK, JAGIII, or any other boat on the planet no matter what % the boat arrives in.

And just because a guy or two that runs S-A-W 90% of the time set records with a boat in no way means that it is a good/great heat race boat. ANY BOAT.

It ALL comes down to what the end user can do.....with ANY BOAT.

You've Got to Bring IT to Win IT.

 

[Speed Jr.]

Just wondering if the JAE is so bad why was there none at the NATS? I won b hydro with a hawk last year at Hobart and I believe the JAE was there! Actually I know it was there. Oh by the way I bought my Hawk kit for $90. Brad Beckner

1. There was one JAE at Hobart last year and it sat on a stand in front of Rod Geraghty's table for all to see, but didnt run.

2. I guess since Zaker had the prototype JAP running meant that his first try at the new type of hull should have blown everyone away? Ron was running considerably slower than the rest of the field and somehow managed to win two of his heats...not bad.

3. This may offend some people, but the Nats isnt the premier race anymore. Nobody from my district bothered to go. Were all going to Hobart though.

4. Brad, your HAWK ran awesome last year. You finished with the most points at the biggest race around. Congrats.

5. There will be a fleet of JAE's at Hobart this year Brad, and if you wipe up the floor with them with your HAWK, Ill tip my hat off to you. To say you beat JAE's last year at Hobart is far from the truth.......

6. Time will tell which boat design is superior.

7. Ive ran many 21 Hawks for over a decade. Love em.

Jr.

 

[Buckshot]

 

[Buckshot]

@ Brad

Sounds like you'll have fun in Hobart.

 

[Buckshot]

6. Time will tell which boat design is superior.

Jr.

@ Jr.

The search for that boat has been on going since guys started putting airplane motors on a 2x4.

 

[Jorgen Andersson]

Hello

Subjects like this can easily get infected, but all hydro kits or prebuilt to any % are good for the sport.

The more %, the higher costs, but also a better chance that the boat performs well from the start. Some people builts well, others not, so room for both ways.

As most of you know, with a 21 Hydro, only a small "issue" will give big problems.

I compete on the International racing scene and we have only 6 lap heatracing with 5-8 boats heats, no SAW or time trails. So all comments from me concerns lane 1 racing in heats with several other boats.

Boat designs comes and goes, if the JAE is a good heatracing boat, only time and results can tell.

A good racer will be good with any boat design that he prefers to run.

In heatracing you could have a racing incident or hitting a bouy, but you must at the same time be able to win the next heat to be able to win the race. The boat must hold up for this.

Did you not run your US Nationals recently, both NAMBA and IMPBA? If yes, what boat designs in the Hydro 21 class on the podiums?

Thanks

Jorgen

 

[LarryConrad]

Just wondering if the JAE is so bad why was there none at the NATS? I won b hydro with a hawk last year at Hobart and I believe the JAE was there! Actually I know it was there. Oh by the way I bought my Hawk kit for $90. Brad Beckner

3. This may offend some people, but the Nats isnt the premier race anymore. Nobody from my district bothered to go. Were all going to Hobart though.

Jr.

Mark Voohries

Pete Collinson

Phil Thomas

Mike Crawford

These four racers competed at the 2010 IMPBA Internats,,,And they are all from "your" district.