Single F hydros/Twin F Hydros

[julianconde]

OK PEOPLE...now that i started this whole ordeal, we finally came to a conclusion..we keep things how they are(F/X hydro and TWIN)..and let the club decide

to run the specialty class(X/F single)..just like it was done at the last Fall Nats..by the way that race had like 360plus boats and we still finished early, so this class did NOT delay the race what so ever...see ya all the the winternats!! Oh and Don you should have joined us here in florida

Maybe next year??

Brett you did not.

this single hydro stuff it was already starting to go this route.

 

[julianconde]

Doc's proposal is not to create a new rule. I think a rule change to lower the F displacement would stimulate those that like twins into building twin 45s. A twin 45 Novarossi sounds very interesting to me.

I have a Twin 21 that runs in D Hydro. There's no changes to be made to the F class to stimulate people to run twin 45 boats if I'm correct that's only 15cc combined or a .90 and still under the displacement limit ?? I might be wrong.

 

[Blackout]

Doc's proposal is not to create a new rule. I think a rule change to lower the F displacement would stimulate those that like twins into building twin 45s. A twin 45 Novarossi sounds very interesting to me.

I have a Twin 21 that runs in D Hydro. There's no changes to be made to the F class to stimulate people to run twin 45 boats if I'm correct that's only 15cc combined or a .90 and still under the displacement limit ?? I might be wrong.

I think his point is that a twin .45 boat would be more competitive in a F class that has a limit of 1.10. The way it is now, a twin .45 would run against twin 1.01's in F hydro.

 

[julianconde]

You can't race Twin 101 in f hydro in impba. Twin 91's are the most you can use. I don't know about NAMBA.

 

[dwilfong]

The displacement spreed in the top class F/X is way more than any other class. I think this was due to the availability of large Eng's and the reliability of twins in the past. Time to bring the rule book up to the here and now.

I thing that just breaking down the class in to more realistic displacement spreed would be the most logical solution to the whole matter.

The weight of the boat would be more in line with this set up by the power ratio.

As long as it is in the displacement slot the amount of Eng's would not matter.

.67-1.05,1.05-1.55,1.55- ? ,to what ever the insurance will alow.

David

 

[julianconde]

Craig if that was the case I would definitely run my 101 twin in F hydro but it's not legal.

Julian

 

[dwilfong]

1. Internal combustion glow engines:

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Class Displacement

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A 0 - 3.509 cc (0 - 0.21 cu. in.)

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B 3.51 - 7.509 cc (0.22 - 0.45 cu. in.)

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C 7.51 - 11.009 cc (0.46 - 0.67 cu. in.)

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X 11.01 – 35.000 cc (0.68 – 2.14 cu. in.)

You can't race Twin 101 in f hydro in impba. Twin 91's are the most you can use. I don't know about NAMBA.

 

[julianconde]

Then it's only legal in NAMBA thanks David.

 

[dr gary turner]

Don, Its the WATER issue. The Bridge award can be given for the best twin in the Twin class. I was racing when John Bridge was running. During that time and really up to about the last 5-7 years twins would not finish and there were vary few of them and the award help stimulate growth of twins. NOW with 5 twins and one single F-hydro in the same race the single has no chance due to the WATER. BTW there has not been a Nats for about 5 yrs so I not sure about the significance of the argument that has been presented. Also I think there are several folks who can afford a single f and not a twin. Doc

Again Doc, the John Bridge trophy is for the BEST PERFORMING TWIN in F CLASS. As it appears in our IMPBA rulebook-

John Bridge Trophy

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Trophy to be awarded to the individual having the best total score with a multi-engine Hydro in F

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class, US-1 competition (1/16 mile Straightaway and Oval time trials, and heat racing). This would

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be a traveling trophy.

So do you want to re-write that part of the rulebook as well? And "up to about the last 5-7 years twins would not finish". Seriously? Wow, that really makes me wish I could have gone to the Nats for the 10 year stretch I missed starting in 2000 as my twins didn't seem to have that "problem". And lastly to imply that the water doesn't get screwed up with only single F boats running is a bit of a stretch. I've run F class for many years and a full heat of singles does a pretty good job shredding the water. Here's a thought- instead of expending the energy trying to convince us to change the rules for a class that works just fine, why don't you use it more productively by encouraging the larger race events to offer the single F specialty class like Charleston has done. Or you could just run E hydro which is just as fast and no twins! There ya go, like Julian said PROBLEM SOLVED! LOL!!!

Don having a seperate single FX class will have no affect on the Bridge award. Those that race twins in F-hydro can still get the Bridge award. NO ISSUE. I personally think the award should be the best twin, f-hydro or twin class. Do you know why the award was for twin in F-hydro? I know I don't know for sure, but there was no twin class at the time of the award, twins at that time were horrible in reliability and the trophy was a means to increase twins in f- hydro. BTW I think the twins maxed out with 60's at that time. SOOOOOOOOOOO the present Bridge award is not in jeapordy or altered by a seperate single f-hydro class. In fact the twins in f-hydro could really race by not having the singles get in the way.

we know the and we are aware that the John Bridge award wont be affected thats a fact. but to touch on the last sentence you stated is not the fact that single engine hydro's are in the way of the Twin Hydro's while racing that statement is not true and thats not the right attitude to have specially coming from you which proves my point in why they should leave everything the way it is and race together like a class. is the fact that there's a class and a engine displacement whoever chooses to build a Twin or a single rigger should race with the class Period. like i said before a true competitor and racer would race with any type of boat in the class regardless if its a twin or a single as long as they meet the engine displacement on the IMPBA rule book.

Julian

Julian Julian Julian are you really saying I am not a competitor. Such a statement will never promote your ideas. Actually by having a seperate Fx class the competiton will actual get more intense and better quality racing for the singles and the twins in f-hydro can really race other twins. Again the singles can run in f-hydro just as twins can. You need to come to my house some day and see what is in my shop interms of boat and motor inventory and the trophies I decided to keep. So to imply I am not a competitor because of trying to promote single f-hydro is a misconception.Besides you need to be kind to your elders!!!!!!!!!!!

no no no im not saying thats you in general a competitor will race singles, twins ect. lol. please don't get offended what i meant basically is theres a class already, engine displacement run the class as is. To propose to limit F Hydro is a big mistake

but hey its toy boats

if every single F hydro boat wants to run the single class and not the traditional F Hydro what do you think about that Doc ?

would the numbers in the F Hydro class go down ?

how do we keep people interested in the Traditional F Hydro class If the singles don't run it and theres only Twins ?

your single F Hydro is capable of running with Twin F Hydro's why suddenly the change your single boat ran extremely fast in Huntsville and you have a 101RS in it ?

just like the have a Twin Shootout should we have a F Hydro Shootout to see who is the best ??

Julian, the f-hydro twins will do just fine if the singles are in a seperate class. If it doesn't then it will fall by the wayside. Why should the single hydros have to prop up the f-hydro class. Kinds sounds like the ;GOV prpoping up Solindra. It should servive on its own merits. SHOOT OUTS!!!!!!!!!. The first one was done in Huntsville race, called TOP GUN. I am not a fan of shoot outs. and that is whole different topic not appropriate here.

 

[dr gary turner]

Doc

As I see it the twins have the lime lite right now as the premier class.

What would the F/X single do to there status?

Image is every thing to some.

As far as running both F/X and F/X single I my self would run both.

Heck I want to double dip too.

David

I agree. I have two single f-hydros FX and a twin 101. and another Crapshooter 90 in the box. I would also run my 101hydro in the FX class and f-hydro. Even though Julian doesn,t think I am not a competitor I prefer to run than sit in my chair under the tent and be vary competitive. What I really don,t like is waiting for the gas classes to run the same boat in several different events. If some of the folks would think hard about the proposal, IT WOULD RESULT IN MORE NITRO RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that not what it is about. Just think what a JAE 101 might do????? 21 JAE running 80 mph!!!!!!!!!! It is time to see what the FX class can achieve. 90-100 mph heat racing is not out of the ordinary. I can,t wait. Working on one to get to this lelvel. At 85 mph heat racing set up on IMPBA timing equipment at Huntsville. More prop work and pipe development. BTW Julian we do test at the record trials A LOT.

 

[dr gary turner]

i am just curious.. i see alot of people talking about f hydro or x hydro as the premier class.. i used to run f and got tired of racing twins with a single engine boat.. so i went to 60 class.

why don't we just make the engine size UNLIMITED for this class.. instead of have a max displacement? just curious.. at some point someone somewhere they will make something larger than a 101.. i would think that at least doing this would promote the class even more..

hey if you want to build a triple 101 GO FOR IT.. it may not work leave the beach or even run but the guy or gal tried.. may get people more fired up about hydro racing in general.

just my thoughts comming from the cheap seats

Chris I hope we can get an FX class going and would love to see you running a single f-hydro. I know with your knowledge and abilities you would be heat racing at the 95-100 mph. Just think of 5-6 FX boats heat racing around 90 mph. SERIOUS!!!!!1 Doc

 

[Blackout]

Craig if that was the case I would definitely run my 101 twin in F hydro but it's not legal.

Julian

o.k., well twin .91's then.

Allot of good .45 options out there now. As far as boat size, twin .45's would be a good match against single .91's and 1.01's. But, the twin .91's are massive boats.

Just saying, I really don't have a concrete opinion. But, very interesting topic.

 

[Joe Warren]

Twin 45`s Twin 67 Twin 80 Twin 90 can race in IMPBA F class Now.......... No need to change anything........

 

[dr gary turner]

Twin 45`s Twin 67 Twin 80 Twin 90 can race in IMPBA F class Now.......... No need to change anything........

Joe, That's right. Don't change anything just add FX single f-hydro.

 

[BigChuck]

Ok..............I think we have missed someting here.

1. There is no way any of us belive that "The Water" is behind Doc's need for this class. So lets see what falls out.

2. You/ or any person that races a boat have no control over the "elements" So again........Not Water.

3. We/ You and I ran a 6 boat heat in Cahrleston..........Remenber you were ................W...... NOT the Water there either

4. You did some testing a few weeks back and think you now have a better chance if the twins are not in the water????

5. You have been in the glass half empty,glass half full with twin and are looking for a outlet???

6. You best success US1 has been with a single and you think that is your best shot.

7. Or is the heat in the kitchen "Twin Classes" is to much at this time and this is your "stop,drop and roll."

Intelligent we all are Doc, And there is a Greater reason for your specific desire for this class than...ROUGH WATER

So to Quote a Statement " In the era of PC correctness." Sugar coat it for us so we can understand your intent. And don,t use Mother Nature as the excuse.

After 25 years of twin racing..................how did you/we get here?????

 

[Tom Foley]

 

[Don Ferrette]

NEW BATCH IS READY

 

[Michael Costanzo]

NEW BATCH IS READY

don you are too much!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: ps,10 mins later,still laughing my a off!!

 

[Joe Warren]

Doc.... If your scratch Built Boat is that Good? Just bring it along & enter the F Hydro Class... Dont be Skeert!!!!!!!!! HAS it Won any RACES YET?

 

[dr gary turner]

Ok..............I think we have missed someting here.

1. There is no way any of us belive that "The Water" is behind Doc's need for this class. So lets see what falls out.

2. You/ or any person that races a boat have no control over the "elements" So again........Not Water.

3. We/ You and I ran a 6 boat heat in Cahrleston..........Remenber you were ................W...... NOT the Water there either

4. You did some testing a few weeks back and think you now have a better chance if the twins are not in the water????

5. You have been in the glass half empty,glass half full with twin and are looking for a outlet???

6. You best success US1 has been with a single and you think that is your best shot.

7. Or is the heat in the kitchen "Twin Classes" is to much at this time and this is your "stop,drop and roll."

Intelligent we all are Doc, And there is a Greater reason for your specific desire for this class than...ROUGH WATER

So to Quote a Statement " In the era of PC correctness." Sugar coat it for us so we can understand your intent. And don,t use Mother Nature as the excuse.

After 25 years of twin racing..................how did you/we get here?????

Chuck OH how your mind races, could it be a conspiracy therory???????????? ANSWER NONE of the above.. I think a single FX is good for model boating and the quality of the racing will be outstanding. Also the development of motors and boats will carry over to improve the twins. Also as has been stated many people don,t want the cost of twin BUT want to run and race an f-hydro. Like Chris Wood stated he ran a single f-hydro in the past and got tired of running with twins. SOOOOOOOOOOOO don,t worry or trouble your mind about the FX class, FOCUS on your twin and f-hydro. The FX class will have no effect on you running twin in f-hydro or the twin class. With the FX class we will have more nitro racing any twin below 101 twin can run in F-hydro and twin and an FX boat can run in FX and f-hydro. IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THANTHAT.!!!!!!!!!!!