SHOOTOUT Format Racing

[Lamar_Huff]

To my understanding Atlanta runs 4 rounds and the the top 6 go for the trophy round.

The 4 heats count just to get you in the show. The points are then reset and however you come in

that's the place you get regardless of heats 1-4 points.

Javier,

You are correct, but we only use that format for the winner take all TWIN SHOOTOUT. All other racing for the weekend is run using normal 4-round heat race rules. Cumlative points from each round are added together to determine the overall winner in each class, ties are settled by a runoff.

I will discuss it with our two CD's for the event and give the Twin pilots a clear answer as to how we would determine a winner if no one should complete all 6-laps during the Shootout.

Thanks,

Lamar Huff

Atlanta Model Boaters

 

[Joe Warren]

Lamar. I hear we might have a Final Grudge race after the event? If we dont have enought GAS twin to race the Nitro twin? Several F (Nitro) Singles are Wanting to Mix it Up with the Nitro TWINS. But......... I would be Ok if we can run the Twins in Offshore??

 

[Don Ferrette]

I will discuss it with our two CD's for the event and give the Twin pilots a clear answer as to how we would determine a winner if no one should complete all 6-laps during the Shootout.

Let me ask what would the difference be in the outcome if there's only one boat left running in a winner take all shootout format final? The CD made Bob Morton run all six laps when he was the only one left running in the twin final in '06 I believe it was. The glare on the back stretch was the worst I'd ever seen there with three dead boats that even the eyes in the CD tower were not sure of their locations and were struggling to call where they died. I pitted for Bob and got him though that mess only with being lucky enough to remember roughly where the dead boats were, I could not see them at all. In my opinion it would have been better if that race was called complete when Bob became the last boat running and completed the lap he was on because it was a winner take all and he was the last man standing. I have to ask myself how a person would feel if in the same situation had his dead boat hit by the only boat left racing because it couldn't be seen and a CD made the last boat running do all six.......... just some food for thought.
Yes I edited this from earlier as after rereading it a few times it could be taken differently from what I meant. Sorry fellas.

 

[Joe Warren]

Good Point!! and this Post was to help all clubs that are starting to run Shootout Finals (Winner take All) and ShootOut heat racing (used at the Winternats) Who the Winners are. Hell i think in Florida they are still trying to figure out Who won all of the 60 mono & a few other awards & it`s Now April ..... It is Not clear if the Final is a Flying Mess!! IN Florida Winter nats all classes were ran in Shootout Final Format... WIND, RAIN Bad starts And Crazy driving can make a mess out of your Final..... & this makes it extremely hard to score the class.

 

[Lamar_Huff]

I tend to agree with the last man standing position since the heat race points are only there to qualify for the Shootout. Even if the last two boats go out on the same lap when it is all said and done one has to be in front of the other. I know some guys sit out the last round of the qualifier heats if they know they have already made the Big Show. To revert back to those points to decide a winner doesn't seem quite right to me...

However; if weather prevents the final Shootout heat from being run then I would think the only course of action would be to award it to the person with the highest point total at the point in time when the race was called.

Im glad the topic was brought up... Stay tuned and I will give you an answer as to how we will handle it @ the 2012 Spring Nats!

Thanks,

Lamar

 

[Lamar_Huff]

Lamar. I hear we might have a Final Grudge race after the event? If we dont have enought GAS twin to race the Nitro twin? Several F (Nitro) Singles are Wanting to Mix it Up with the Nitro TWINS. But......... I would be Ok if we can run the Twins in Offshore??

Joe,

It depends on how much time we have and if everyone is willing to participate.

Twin's in OFFSHORE???

I didn't know they would turn LEFT!!!

Can you carry enough fuel for 6 Offshore laps?

Lamar

 

[Joe Warren]

Lamar. I hear we might have a Final Grudge race after the event? If we dont have enought GAS twin to race the Nitro twin? Several F (Nitro) Singles are Wanting to Mix it Up with the Nitro TWINS. But......... I would be Ok if we can run the Twins in Offshore??

Joe,

It depends on how much time we have and if everyone is willing to participate.

Twin's in OFFSHORE???

I didn't know they would turn LEFT!!!

Can you carry enough fuel for 6 Offshore laps?

Lamar

I can put a Gallon Jug on the Right Front & tap into it...

 

[Don Ferrette]

I tend to agree with the last man standing position since the heat race points are only there to qualify for the Shootout. Even if the last two boats go out on the same lap when it is all said and done one has to be in front of the other. I know some guys sit out the last round of the qualifier heats if they know they have already made the Big Show. To revert back to those points to decide a winner doesn't seem quite right to me...

However; if weather prevents the final Shootout heat from being run then I would think the only course of action would be to award it to the person with the highest point total at the point in time when the race was called.

Im glad the topic was brought up... Stay tuned and I will give you an answer as to how we will handle it @ the 2012 Spring Nats!

Thanks,

Lamar

And just to be clear to Lamar and the Atlanta gang- my post was not meant in any way as a "shot" at you guys but only as an example since I was directly involved with that particular final. I don't think there are many races at all that run a true winner take all final that scores only the first place boat and the Springnats is the only one I've personally participated in. Granted we do have a 6 lap rule for the Internats but that has direct bearing on point accumulation for trophy trials qualifying so to me not quite the same. Anyways, the AMB folks do put forth a great effort running that race and I don't want to take anything away from that and hope this year every boat crosses the line in the final so they won't even have to worry about it.

 

[Lamar_Huff]

Don,

No harm done, but I do like the revised version of your earlier post much better!

I have discussed our gameplan for the 2012 Shootout with Doug and we are both on the same page. I just need to make sure Norman is on board.

We will spell it out in the drivers meeting on Saturday morning so everyone is on the same page before the green flag drops!

Thanks,

Lamar

 

[BigChuck]

Guys the answer to all these questions have happened already. Bob made to run six laps. Last boat running hit a dead boat. The winner declared as the boat that made the most distance. "Winner take All" should.....should be understood. If the last boat running dies just in front of the clock and never cross the line is he Not the Winner......???

 

[Don Ferrette]

Don,

No harm done, but I do like the revised version of your earlier post much better!

I have discussed our gameplan for the 2012 Shootout with Doug and we are both on the same page. I just need to make sure Norman is on board.

We will spell it out in the drivers meeting on Saturday morning so everyone is on the same page before the green flag drops!

Thanks,

Lamar

Yeah it took a bop on head via e-mail from a mutual friend to make me read it from a different angle.

 

[RonShaw]

HA winner take all final, love it or hate kind of thing.

In scale racing that uses finals we have seen only 1 finisher which would be a first place, then the next boat dnf with the most laps gets second and then the the third place dnf boat.

Of course these finishers cannot be a dq boat. Many senarios are possible.

I prefer 3-4 rounds for all boats in a class then the top 6 go for the last round, winner is determined by the total for all rounds. This saves time if you have class with many entries, only 1 heat per class in the last round.

I hate the shootout format. I was first in two classes until the shootout round at the Winternats. The rough water and wind took its toll, including me!!!..... .

I am sure there are plenty of others that loved it.......

 

[sbowden21]

This is the problem with shootout format your always gunna come across new problems an situtations an end up habing to make the rules up as you go. Clubs should not be allowed to run this format unless impba come up with a set of rules or club has there own rules posted on flyer. Personally i will not do shootouts anymore to much to lose an not enough reward. Heat racing format is what made this sport what it is lets keep it thata way!!!!! Hope everyone has a great racing season!

 

[julianconde]

This is the problem with shootout format your always gunna come across new problems an situtations an end up habing to make the rules up as you go. Clubs should not be allowed to run this format unless impba come up with a set of rules or club has there own rules posted on flyer. Personally i will not do shootouts anymore to much to lose an not enough reward. Heat racing format is what made this sport what it is lets keep it thata way!!!!! Hope everyone has a great racing season!

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pefect post

 

[RonShaw]

This is the problem with shootout format your always gunna come across new problems an situtations an end up habing to make the rules up as you go. Clubs should not be allowed to run this format unless impba come up with a set of rules or club has there own rules posted on flyer. Personally i will not do shootouts anymore to much to lose an not enough reward. Heat racing format is what made this sport what it is lets keep it thata way!!!!! Hope everyone has a great racing season!

The Winternats was a NAMBA race and I am hoping they revert back to heat racing only as well. Maybe NAMBA and the IMPBA will eventually address these format changes.

 

[Don Ferrette]

I will say that without a doubt I've seen more boats torn up from crashes and buoy strikes plus tons of dead ones from being "over tuned" for an extra edge in winner take all shootouts than any normal format heat race.