New JAE "Twin .45" plans

[kcvnd]

After the above remarks I think I will just give up on this thread to be honest. Good luck to all!

 

[aaron alberico]

I would NOT make the tub shorter.....

regards Aaron

 

[Geraghty]

I would NOT make the tub shorter.....

regards Aaron

Amen..........

Aaron,

If I am not mistaken, you personally have built and run 4 or 5 ,maybe 6 JAE's ,all with great success.......I believe you have learned from personal experience

there are only 3-4 major design considerations to be taken into account when building a JAE.....

As long as these parameters are not violated you will have a bullet-proof boat that is very easy to set-up and run in most any water conditions.....

The JAE team has eliminated 99% of the so called "rigger secrets" with common sense and simplicity of design.....All JAE's run and respond the same,no matter the size.....

It never ceases to amaze me how many "defacto experts" we have out there that have never built or run a JAE,yet these "expertrs" are telling us [the JAE team] how to build,set-up,run and improve a JAE......

I believe you will agree with me all the boats you have built are basically idiot proof and extremely easy to run and all respond to the same set up techniques...

The "mystery" of how to run an out-rigger have been pretty much eliminated with a JAE design.....

One thing the JAE team has learned is if you "defacto experts" want to compromise the speed and handling of a JAE,just deviate from the plans or set-up instructions......

If you want your JAE to do something stupid,just change the plans and/or violate the set-up instructions....you will get your wish..... :angry:

 

[Ron Zaker Jr]

I would NOT make the tub shorter.....

regards Aaron

Amen..........

Aaron,

If I am not mistaken, you personally have built and run 4 or 5 ,maybe 6 JAE's ,all with great success.......I believe you have learned from personal experience

there are only 3-4 major design considerations to be taken into account when building a JAE.....

As long as these parameters are not violated you will have a bullet-proof boat that is very easy to set-up and run in most any water conditions.....

The JAE team has eliminated 99% of the so called "rigger secrets" with common sense and simplicity of design.....All JAE's run and respond the same,no matter the size.....

It never ceases to amaze me how many "defacto experts" we have out there that have never built or run a JAE,yet these "expertrs" are telling us [the JAE team] how to build,set-up,run and improve a JAE......

I believe you will agree with me all the boats you have built are basically idiot proof and extremely easy to run and all respond to the same set up techniques...

The "mystery" of how to run an out-rigger have been pretty much eliminated with a JAE design.....

One thing the JAE team has learned is if you "defacto experts" want to compromise the speed and handling of a JAE,just deviate from the plans or set-up instructions......

If you want your JAE to do something stupid,just change the plans and/or violate the set-up instructions....you will get your wish..... :angry:

Aint it the truth.

 

[hugh hargett]

Kevin no offense but if you wanna give up give up. If you ,meaning anyone, can build; the plans are fine. The motor mount configuration was "trick If you ask me". you speak as if Im some newbie that needed to have the hull redesigned just to cut out some wood for me for pay. Come on. for 3 months I asked you to cut the boat. You were waiting for David. then when david showed up -his design is all wrong so thats the reason. Not once did you mention a laser problem to me. kinda makes me feel like you may have just wanted to be the first I dont know. As soon as Javier sent me a request then here comes all this chatter abouth how the design needs amendments and a weak laser. If you read My thread that started this you will see where the designers told me to stay away from modifications especially if I havent owned one. If you wanna make money make it but dont go where you are going. you can say what you want about the plans , the design whatever , but if youre a laser cutter, cut . if you didnt want to do it for me all you had to do is say no, but I guarantee youll hook the next man up. Im sure ill be a victim of ad hominem attack after this, which is fine, but my point is are yall going to build the boat and see how it does Like me or just talk about it all GD day. The tub is 38 for the twin and 37 for a 101 and the old .90 tub is 36 thats the specs by plan. I have them all here looking at them. Mr. Geraghty I will build it as planned ,but to help us non experts we do at least need to know where you want the rudder to go :lol: .

Hugh,

Kevin I really have zero idea why you are tripping just cut the boats.Hope we get past this coz I dont have any favorites I just like to pay and get served.A couple grams of wood on a 90 boat or twin 45 aww man come on

 

[hugh hargett]

I made fool proof templates just trace and cut; simple. No need to get crazy on a prototype lets just build it first and see how it runs.I couldnt make building this boat harder if I wanted too. I do agree that having some sponson adjustment is good just to trim the boat. Id do it by leeting the booms go all the way through the front sponsons . Then id sandwich a teflon washer on each side of it between an outer and inner boom collar, so the sponsons can pivot on the front booms. Then I would elongate the rear boom holes vertically so i could move the rear boom up and down. From there you can make right left adjustments or aoa adjustments.



Hugh

Javier the motor mounts are simple; just some bar stock with a toungue cut at the angle you want tour motor then drill and tap it for the bolt pattern. I like the mount myself, and the plans.You could design it without the engine rails and PAY for some mounts if thats what you wanna do.The plans; I mean theyre free. No ones paying David to do anything, so I wouldnt complain even if it wasnt perfect, but as a boater I dont truly see anything wrong with the plans. How it will run is another story but I can predict that mine will be fast.

 

[Geraghty]

So I cut the tub and some other parts out with the laser. I added toy tabs to aid with assembly and reduce the need of some doublers for support. My concerns are there is no room for adjustment of front sponsons, the tub is supper long and supper narrow. I put the holes in for the motor mounts as shown but the mounts are so unique I am wondering if people are going to stick with and use the setup as drawn on the plan. Then there is the issue with the rudder. I think it will require mounting to side of tub I believe like the old mongoose. I guess it will all need some lake time. My biggest challenge is cutting through the 3/16 material. I have a 100 watt laser it requires multiple light passes for a square cut. Multiple passes equals more char, but it it easily sandable to clean up. I have the tub pieced together and I will post some pictures soon.

Re: Boat tub width.......Look at post #6 referring to the width of the boat......Adjusting the tub width to accomodate a certain motor mount will be no problem to the performance of the boat......

When Mike Hallam requested a tub as narrow as possible that is the way David designed it for Mike.......If you don't like the width of the tub,then change it to what you like......

The motor mount was designed specifically to accomodate the narrow tub width......We have built and run tested [on the lake] the motor mount and it works great.......

Re: Adjustable sponsons.........This JAE does not want nor need adjustable sponsons...Not one JAE boat design released to date has adjustable sponsons........

Here we go again.....It is obvious you know more about the boat than we do.......

If a specific rudder placement is not shown on the plans,that means the boat will not care where you put it......Build the boat per plan,run it and then comment on the design......

If you just can't get past laying your defacto design changes on the boat then don't cut it out and don't call it a JAE...............

 

[Martin Hamilton]

Build any JAE to the plans & have a boat that will work brilliant straight of the build board, spend the extra time you will have improving your power plant & props not modding the design & not retesting at the lake to get your modded boat running as well as it would straight from the plans.Martin.

 

[hugh hargett]

Im definately no expert but doesnt your no adjustment design assume that the builder is pefectly square? No adjustments on the sponsons or the strut wow. So for heat,2 lap,and saw its all the same to this boat? Pretty amazing, but dont worry Im gonna make it as plans call for 0 adjustments so if it doesnt run right I can call It a JAE .

I can also tell you the props care where the rudder is The JAE; no I can only listen and learn about that, but letting the props have undisturbed water to run through them is something that affects all boats even the JAE.

"If a specific rudder placement is not shown on the plans,that means the boat will not care where you put it......Build the boat per plan,run it and then comment on the design......"

Thats a little crazy if you think about it coz the plans have NO RUDDER AT ALL so we asked as not to assume and not be"DEFACTO DESIGNERS". you said if we needed help to ask you . I did as directed. I am dumb ,but you dont have to make me feel that way.

WERE all just trying to undersand your boat and the comments only make it more popular. You told me on my thread there was a jae thread with 2700 hits. Certainly alot of questions were asked thats all were doing here. I love the profile and design of this boat and I will do it justice before it does me any. Im putting top tier equipment in your JAE so lets hope it doesnt trip or lose my over a grand I'll have in it :huh: . One things for sure ; If it stays on the water my endeavors will only promote the JAE. Make no bones about it though Im still looking for an Eagle or a RR all day. This JAE is just one of many good riggers. I wont lose any sleep over it.

Hugh

 

[hugh hargett]

Build any JAE to the plans & have a boat that will work brilliant straight of the build board, spend the extra time you will have improving your power plant & props not modding the design & not retesting at the lake to get your modded boat running as well as it would straight from the plans.Martin.

Martin, thats cool but an adjustable sponson changes nada if i set it where it sat originally. They would be ADJUSTABLE thats the point you can put them in stock locations too. Any hull can be tuned for maximum speed and handling. Does this mean the JAE is at its hulls pinnacle as it stands now?Its PERFECT? Sound like the way its set up so it can run decent for anyone not allowing any adjustments is a good thing in the hands of a wrong boater.

well i have my own twin 45 thread so ill carry on there. I basically agreed with the no plan change; but no adjustability on the sponsons or the strut has made this a "SUPERBOAT" <_<

Im gone!

Hugh

 

[Geraghty]

Im definately no expert but doesnt your no adjustment design assume that the builder is pefectly square? No adjustments on the sponsons or the strut wow. So for heat,2 lap,and saw its all the same to this boat? Pretty amazing, but dont worry Im gonna make it as plans call for 0 adjustments so if it doesnt run right I can call It a JAE .

I can also tell you the props care where the rudder is The JAE; no I can only listen and learn about that, but letting the props have undisturbed water to run through them is something that affects all boats even the JAE.

"If a specific rudder placement is not shown on the plans,that means the boat will not care where you put it......Build the boat per plan,run it and then comment on the design......"

Thats a little crazy if you think about it coz the plans have NO RUDDER AT ALL so we asked as not to assume and not be"DEFACTO DESIGNERS". you said if we needed help to ask you . I did as directed. I am dumb ,but you dont have to make me feel that way.

WERE all just trying to undersand your boat and the comments only make it more popular. You told me on my thread there was a jae thread with 2700 hits. Certainly alot of questions were asked thats all were doing here. I love the profile and design of this boat and I will do it justice before it does me any. Im putting top tier equipment in your JAE so lets hope it doesnt trip or lose my over a grand I'll have in it :huh: . One things for sure ; If it stays on the water my endeavors will only promote the JAE. Make no bones about it though Im still looking for an Eagle or a RR all day. This JAE is just one of many good riggers. I wont lose any sleep over it.

Hugh

It is obvious you would rather debate,argue and question rather than build and test..............

Do me a personal favor and don't build the boat.......

I/we have told you everything we know about the boat and best of luck finding a RR or Eagle..............

 

[hugh hargett]

LOL funny Oh im gonna build it test it and still think adjustability keeps you out of trouble . No arguments just common sense . You dont tell someone "if the boat has no rudder in the plans put it where you want" thats crazy and a awful way to handle someone interested in your boat. So tell me that means I could put the rudder in the front of the boat? Right? Lets just face it no offense to you or david or anyone else on your design team the plans are just not complete. you have a strut hanging off the A$$ with not a single braket on it. Is that complete? There no l bracket commercially available to reach out that far so maybe a suggested hardware note would be okay. I also didnt know there was a limit on questions nor do I know why you are mad really. You handled the guys sh@tty. Lets hope the rr and eagle arent waiting for me at the finish line. If i want an eagle jae crapshooter rr thats up to me and only me. With that said Im done before it gets any crazier. Lets just say your right it runs perfect everytime out the jig fine!

Hugh

should hold all the records then........

 

[Geraghty]

LOL funny Oh im gonna build it test it and still think adjustability keeps you out of trouble . No arguments just common sense . You dont tell someone "if the boat has no rudder in the plans put it where you want" thats crazy and a awful way to handle someone interested in your boat. So tell me that means I could put the rudder in the front of the boat? Right? Lets just face it no offense to you or david or anyone else on your design team the plans are just not complete. you have a strut hanging off the A$$ with not a single braket on it. Is that complete? There no l bracket commercially available to reach out that far so maybe a suggested hardware note would be okay. I also didnt know there was a limit on questions nor do I know why you are mad really. You handled the guys sh@tty. Lets hope the rr and eagle arent waiting for me at the finish line. If i want an eagle jae crapshooter rr thats up to me and only me. With that said Im done before it gets any crazier. Lets just say your right it runs perfect everytime out the jig fine!

Hugh

should hold all the records then........

Put the rudder in the front of the boat??????.....why don't you try that Hugh and tell us how that works out for you........

We never said that the JAE twin 45 plans were "complete"............We assumed that who ever builds the boat has the experience to pick out a strut that will support a stuffing box at the ski,and address the set-up instructions....

The rudder on a JAE doesn't care if it is on the left side,right side in back or in front of the prop.......

I have had 12 year olds that were able to pick out a strut and mount it to the back of a boat...........

Mad I am not,just tired ...............David and I have held your hand with patience thru this entire process.......It is obvious nothing will make you happy as long as you have the need to see yourself in print............

 

[dave roach]

I think it's time to lock this post before it gets out of hand.How about it Don F.

Dave Roach

 

[hugh hargett]

my hand ? lol im not the one really complaining . what im speaking of now is how your being real jerky about your boat. im fine with the plans but You on the other hand seem upset that people ask questions when you KNOW the plans are incomplete. Mind you you really havent answered anything more than you had a smart mouth. its your boat maybe you should be more in print about it and stop running away when the trip non trip debate comes up. Out of respect for my elders Im done. I really dont feel great about arguing with you as I respect you but your demeanor concerning this boat is a little off. Take care and be blessed.

No one holds my hands through anything . I can walk through hell and back alone.

Hugh

Its is a nice boat but support is key to sucess in anything. you gave me the project now if you want to walk away fine but that where it ends . You cant get mad coz people scrutinize your design. Ive had too many pm's from TOP racers that the hull has some drawbacks and the reason I built it is because YOU said if i didnt I shouldnt speak well now im building it . Case closed.