IMPBA Boats per class

[seaducerpete]

As stated before the large heats do not save time because of the time spent picking up all the dead wood just look at the time spent retrieving all the dead boats in Hobart every heat they do an awesome job but it still takes a lot on time

 

[Doug Smock]

Its interesting that the IMPBA puts in on the club, Many clubs oversell there event & they become limited on How many they can run in a class... However that does not mean it is OK to Run 8 - 40-60-90 & twin hydros in one heat...... Not many callers can keep up with that many boats in the Water on the pipe and driving intense.. the rule book needs to be more clear so entries know what to expect. Right now it depends on how many boaters entered the event?What is the interest in the preferred class & If the club can get by with jamming more boats in a heat to make the race by Sunset on Sunday... There is NO WAY you can say the RISK FACTOR DOES NOT GO UP for the attendies on the bank up when you increase the Boat count from 5-6 to 8-9 in F class Racing or the other classes mentioned... I believe all clases should have a MAX boat per heat in IMPBA....

Hey Joe,

Since the "IMPBA" is the sum of it's membership this falls back on you and any other member that runs the classes mentioned or cares enough to bring about change.

Now the question becomes what are you guys going to do about it?

http://impba.net/attachments/132_Sec-B,%20Constitution%20%202012.pdf

D.

 

[RonShaw]

Doug,

I'm having a brewsky and watching the action from the sidelines!!!! This one is really going to be controversial........

 

[SeanKewley]

Out of curiosity. What racing venues are running more than 6 boat heats for .45+ rigger, E/F/X mono, and large gas classes? Is this primarily a problem at events like Hobart, Winter/Spring/Gas Nats?

 

[Mark Grannis]

My point is the number of boats per heat is being considered in this discussion to be proportional to a level of safety, and it must not. The chance for collisions may increase, but the consistent recognition of safety protocol is required no matter how may boats are in the heat. ie..people are to be away from the bank all the time not just when the big blocks get called to the pits.

We all know of some events have carnage filled racing and some don't. I believe this has more to do with consistent calling of the infractions. Either way to have the national orgs. regulate heat size is over reaching. It is better left to the local club and let the draw to their event direct the decisions of the club.

Be 8 twins or 8 boats in E hydro is no difference to me. We all have to race around the same course and obstructions.

Last point, do the math on number of entered boats divided by number of boats per heat. Some believe 12 heats per hour is obtainable....I don't. Based on 12/hr there is absolutely 30 mins in pit time. This leaves 30 mins for racing and retrieval. Racing at full record speed is12 - 18 mins (more realistic is > 20 mins of racing). This allows10 mins for retrieval.

What I see coming by implementing mandatory class sizes is more three day events, less entries for classes limited to 5 or 6 boats, and less boats able to enter an event.

Respectfully,

MG

 

[Andy Greene]

It's really not a problem. Those clubs that run larger events know what classes that need to be at 6 and those that can handle 8-.

At the W/N in 12 , we ran 2 heats of X-Mono per round(15 or 16 boats)- If you where in the top 8 - you ran 8 boat heats all 4 days - without carnage I might add. Hairy YES , attrition YES - wrecks NO .

So are we talking safety ?

Carnage ?

Entries ?

Entry caps ?

Pandoras box ?

 

[Doug Smock]

Doug,

I'm having a brewsky and watching the action from the sidelines!!!! This one is really going to be controversial........

That's what this is for.

http://impba.net/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=entrypage&defaultmenu=179&Itemid=178

B)

 

[Joe Warren]

Doug,

I'm having a brewsky and watching the action from the sidelines!!!! This one is really going to be controversial........

That's what this is for.

http://impba.net/ind...=179&Itemid=178

B)

Doug that site is about inactive..... More going on here in the Off topic that there??

 

[Joe Warren]

It's really not a problem. Those clubs that run larger events know what classes that need to be at 6 and those that can handle 8-.

At the W/N in 12 , we ran 2 heats of X-Mono per round(15 or 16 boats)- If you where in the top 8 - you ran 8 boat heats all 4 days - without carnage I might add. Hairy YES , attrition YES - wrecks NO .

So are we talking safety ?

Carnage ?

Entries ?

Entry caps ?

Pandoras box ?

I beg to differ with you Andy....... I got hit 2 of the 4 heats and knocked out of racing. after 2 props and drivelines, 2 pipes, and a rear portion of the hull... Won the Offshore event with the same boat. But for most they would have been parked and watching.After getting hit the second time. So more Dont Mean Better!!!!!! IMPBA is about Legal Organized Racing... It has nothing to do with the cost of a boat or how long it took to assemble it. I have heard more than one time that our rule book as written for the National Events?????? I guess we will continue to pack the classes till they get shoved up on the Bank at Race Speeds?? My boats and Radios are tuned up. Hope everyones else is?? Beep Beep!!!!!!

 

[Doug Smock]

Doug,

I'm having a brewsky and watching the action from the sidelines!!!! This one is really going to be controversial........

That's what this is for.

http://impba.net/ind...=179&Itemid=178

B)

Doug that site is about inactive..... More going on here in the Off topic that there??

Yes sir, and that's not likely to change if we don't use it.

Looking forward to seeing you in a few weeks.

D.

 

[Joe Warren]

Doug,

I'm having a brewsky and watching the action from the sidelines!!!! This one is really going to be controversial........

That's what this is for.

http://impba.net/ind...=179&Itemid=178

B)

Doug that site is about inactive..... More going on here in the Off topic that there??

Yes sir, and that's not likely to change if we don't use it.

Looking forward to seeing you in a few weeks.

D.

Hopefully it will slow down at work. Right now it is WIDE OPEN already!!!!!

 

[dwb2620]

One of the most important issues that hasn't been brought up in this thread is : Boats that are called over at the start. When you have 7 or more boats screaming toward the start line and one, two or more are called over, it makes it difficult for me as a driver or as a pitman to keep up with what place I am in. Then what follows is the arguing of who is in what place or "I was not over!" by one of the drivers.

I have seen this happen more times than I can count in my 28 years of racing. That is why I don't like more than 5 or 6 boats in a heat.

David

 

[seaducerpete]

One of the most important issues that hasn't been brought up in this thread is : Boats that are called over at the start. When you have 7 or more boats screaming toward the start line and one, two or more are called over, it makes it difficult for me as a driver or as a pitman to keep up with what place I am in. Then what follows is the arguing of who is in what place or "I was not over!" by one of the drivers.

I have seen this happen more times than I can count in my 28 years of racing. That is why I don't like more than 5 or 6 boats in a heat.

David you are absolute correct I was third no i was no you were 4 th another time consumer so you have now lost any time saved by running seven and eight boat heats

 

[Andy Greene]

It's really not a problem. Those clubs that run larger events know what classes that need to be at 6 and those that can handle 8-.

At the W/N in 12 , we ran 2 heats of X-Mono per round(15 or 16 boats)- If you where in the top 8 - you ran 8 boat heats all 4 days - without carnage I might add. Hairy YES , attrition YES - wrecks NO .

So are we talking safety ?

Carnage ?

Entries ?

Entry caps ?

Pandoras box ?

I beg to differ with you Andy....... I got hit 2 of the 4 heats and knocked out of racing. after 2 props and drivelines, 2 pipes, and a rear portion of the hull...

Thats cause you ran in the second group all weekend h34r:

I couldn't NOT say that - It wasnt your fault and hated it for ya.

And I hear ya- funny how it works out that way, personally I never touched another boat all weekend and really only had one close call/ finished every heat- cept the important one

Now back to the real ???'s

 

[Rhonda Pickard]

Dave thats why you have a pit man to keep track of your boat while you drive. Robert

 

[Joe Warren]

It's really not a problem. Those clubs that run larger events know what classes that need to be at 6 and those that can handle 8-.

At the W/N in 12 , we ran 2 heats of X-Mono per round(15 or 16 boats)- If you where in the top 8 - you ran 8 boat heats all 4 days - without carnage I might add. Hairy YES , attrition YES - wrecks NO .

So are we talking safety ?

Carnage ?

Entries ?

Entry caps ?

Pandoras box ?

I beg to differ with you Andy....... I got hit 2 of the 4 heats and knocked out of racing. after 2 props and drivelines, 2 pipes, and a rear portion of the hull...

Thats cause you ran in the second group all weekend h34r:

I couldn't NOT say that - It wasnt your fault and hated it for ya.

And I hear ya- funny how it works out that way, personally I never touched another boat all weekend and really only had one close call/ finished every heat- cept the important one

Now back to the real ???'s

well that is what happens when you dont finish cause of too many boats....... What happened to you? Wreck or stuff?

 

[Andy Greene]

Finished 2/3/3/2 went into the "shootout" <_< #2 qualifier and hit a turtle coming to the clock with 8 secs to go- never got a start and finished 6th.

ANY other race and it was 2nd Oh well.....................

 

[RonShaw]

Finished 2/3/3/2 went into the "shootout" <_< #2 qualifier and hit a turtle coming to the clock with 8 secs to go- never got a start and finished 6th.

ANY other race and it was 2nd Oh well.....................

I felt that pain. First place in P Limited and Gas OB Tunnel going into shoot out final round. 12" chop took out my P Limited. A guy spun out half a turn in front of me on the last lap of my Gas Tunnel with me way out front, and when I tried to go around him he turned 90 degrees to the course and forced me all the way out almost into the bank, before he turned. Any other race, would have been two firsts..........

 

[Joe Warren]

Finished 2/3/3/2 went into the "shootout" <_< #2 qualifier and hit a turtle coming to the clock with 8 secs to go- never got a start and finished 6th.

ANY other race and it was 2nd Oh well.....................

I felt that pain. First place in P Limited and Gas OB Tunnel going into shoot out final round. 12" chop took out my P Limited. A guy spun out half a turn in front of me on the last lap of my Gas Tunnel with me way out front, and when I tried to go around him he turned 90 degrees to the course and forced me all the way out almost into the bank, before he turned. Any other race, would have been two firsts..........

If we were going to run SHOOTOUT Races All you have to do is split the class. Run 2 heats and a final & DONE............ You mentioned there were 16 F monos. there was no point in racing them for a week to come to a final shootout..... Either Race them 4 heats to award the high point winner... Or shorten the event and Cram them all in a couple of heats and have a shootout.... I`am not a fan of Shootout races if the clubs cannot keep up with the points during the event or at the end of the event. it puts a lot on a club to score a entire race event in Shootout format. The only postive it has added is You dont have to show up days early to get ready. All you have to do is keep tuning your boat to the Final on Sunday

 

[John Finch]

Six boat limit if you really want to race. I would rather not go to a race because I could not get in than show up and spend all the time and money to not be able to race because of all the dead wood on the pond. Been there done that in the 1980s when the spring nats sometimes ran 11 boat heats. Not racing at all. I remember Pop Tyndall being the only boat left in a race there and 10 dead boats. When he finished everyone clapped and yelled because he was able to finish without hitting any of the dead boats. It's about racing, not dodging dead wood. SIX boat limit.