How sad

[Bill Britton]

From the looks of it, both of you are using generic web forms to accomplish the same task.

see Brad there is where you are wrong. Those pages were designed 100% by ME. That is how I know he stole them. And another tidbit of info NOBODY was taking entries online (Paypal or otherwise). rcRacingEvents was innovative and new. RaCe Masters is a cheap clone...

I find it really hilarious that rcRacingEvents has been in existence for over ten years. Now suddenly Ron puts out an exact copy and you guys wanna start saying I copied him. This kinda crap is why I got out of boating.

Let someone steal something that you have labored over for years.

See how you like it.

Ron Byrd. You stole my code.

 

[MIKE HAYNES]

come on guys really? knock it off before we loose all online entry. its not worth it

 

[dave roach]

I think it's time to put a block on this.

 

[Brad Christy]

Bill,

I haven't accused you of stealing anything. I have only pointed out the obvious: Ron's software was out a decade before you even thought about your website. Dig it.

I'm sorry you designed your pages 100% by hand. Here in the 21st century, there are what is called webforms that people use to build websites. Somehow, apparently, you managed to predict what they would look like. Congratulations.

I'm not really sure what took you so long to develop it, though. It's a rather simple I/O interface with a payment portal. I've got a buddy that's a programmer for Lexis Nexis who could have built it in a couple days, including educating him as to our needs in the application.

But really........... At the end of the day..... Who cares? Your system is up and running and people are using it (I'd assume). Your retirement plan is safe.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components

BlackJack Hydros

Model Machine And Precision LLC

 

[Robert Pickard]

Mike you are totally right we all like being able to sign up for the races online and seeing the winners, this is not the place to argue, I am sure everyone would like to see these websites out there to help everyone

 

[Bill Britton]

Bill,

I haven't accused you of stealing anything. I have only pointed out the obvious: Ron's software was out a decade before you even thought about your website. Dig it.

Ron had a buggy piece of software written for Windows 95 for scoring only. It had nothing to do with the internet, and could not take entries. rcRacing events began as an online entry portal only. There was nothing similar at all about them. They performed two different tasks completely. There was and is still nothing like rcRacingEvents. Dig it.

I'm sorry you designed your pages 100% by hand. Here in the 21st century, there are what is called webforms that people use to build websites. Somehow, apparently, you managed to predict what they would look like. Congratulations.

I wrote these pages ten years ago. Anyone who has ever used rcRacingEvents is intimately aware of what they look like. As an IT Engineer and software developer, I am well aware of what a webform is thank you. None at the time existed that suited my needs so rather than crying or giving up I 'rolled my own' (you sound privy to the IT lingo so I thought I'd toss some your way...) The fact that you side setep the issue that he stole my code for the forms and try to ridicule my creating my own is a dead giveaway that you are biased and therefore your entire argument is flawed and artificial...

I'm not really sure what took you so long to develop it, though. It's a rather simple I/O interface with a payment portal. I've got a buddy that's a programmer for Lexis Nexis who could have built it in a couple days, including educating him as to our needs in the application.

rcRacingEvents has been around for over ten years. And it's not so simple to develop (as a layman such as yourself would think) Tools that are commonplace now simply did not exist back then. Oh yeah, Lexis Nexis is one of my clients. I doubt any developer would have told you any such thing. We are really hesitant to give a timeline for anything. Anyway, There have been scores of people over the years that have attempted to duplicate what rcRacingEvents does. They all had stories of a developer that said they could do it in days or weeks. Ten years later and the one that finally does duplicate what rcRacingEvents does is a friggin hack copy. Dig that...

But really........... At the end of the day..... Who cares? Your system is up and running and people are using it (I'd assume). Your retirement plan is safe.

rcRacingEvents was free for ten years. Only recently did I begin to start charging for the service. Since it is a fee that is absorbed by the clubs and is free for contestants to use I felt it only fair to compensate myself for the years of late nights as well as the ISP bandwidth charges. Retirement plan? No sir.

But with that last comment you made, you tipped your hat as to who's camp your really in.

Good day to you sir.

 

[Wesleys Custom RC]

I make scale boat decals. My only competition also makes scale decals. Are they similar? You bet. Sometimes I can't even tell mine from his. If 2 different sites are advertising the same race I would think they would look similar also.

 

[Bill Britton]

Well Wesley, that's a very progressively liberal way of thinking. Did he take your printers to startup? Why don't you just give your competitor your source graphics? I mean they look similar right? His are bound to have as good a quality and rendering as yours right? So whats the difference. I doubt you would even consider that would you. See how dumb that sounds?

Why would you guys think it's ok for him to STEAL my code?

 

[KenOlvis]

You have a copyright.You have rights sir use them.Problem then can be solved !!

 

[Brad Christy]

Bill,

Nope. I really have no bias. I don't know Ron from Adam. As I said, I spoke with Ron a couple occasions, before and after his departure/return from the hobby, regarding a number of topics, all of them business/hobby related. I don't know you, either. Nor do I have a dog in the fight. I just see the Hack & Slash campaign you are waging as childish in the big picture.

Ron's software, at least the edition I used, was not "buggy". It wasn't as user friendly as I would have liked, but I was perhaps expecting more than it was packaged to deliver. Maybe I just didn't really know how to properly tickle the keys. It worked for what it was intended for and did everything it was bragged upon about.

As I stated earlier......... Ron's offering was available FIRST. By a good bit. No, it was not online at the time. Not much really was. Yes, yours was ONLINE first. Expect others who can to follow suit. It's the way it goes. You built yours by hand, coding it line by line. I whole heartedly commend your enthusiasm and tenacity. When Ron took his project online, he used publicly available webforms to build it. You can accuse him of taking the easy way if you'd like. Unless you built in a "tattle-tale" code (most developers leave a watermark somewhere) and can show it in Ron's system, I'd suggest you let it lie. This is making you look like a second grader in the middle of a tantrum. Call it taking the high road if it makes you feel better. As you have pointed out, there really is no incentive to steal this "technology", as it has no really marketable appeal. Why would someone steal what can be open sourced for no gain?

Additionally, upon review of both systems, there are several differences between the two. If he had copied your work, it would appear he put more work into masking the fact than it would have taken to build it from scratch. Aside from the I/O interface, there are a number of omissions or inclusions both ways. Things he offers that you don't and vice versa.....

FWIW, I'm no ways near "knowing the lingo". I'm one of those "dangerous" ones behind a keyboard. None of what I've said is "technical jargon" in the world of software coding. This is all virtually household terminology in the world we live in today.

And lastly.......... Yes, the buddy of mine could, indeed, build your entire system in a matter of days. In the evenings. After work. With one hand tied............ Oh, never mind. Had there been an internet back when we were in the 8th grade, he could have done it then.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components

BlackJack Hydros

Model Machine And Precision LLC

 

[sbowden21]

 

[Kris Flynn]

(Caution, as there is some sarcasm below)

Hey Bill, people might have learned not to pick sides after the whole BS of me copying props...as you know...I have all the facilities. ..idiots.

anyway, unfortunately no one here will care about your efforts being stolen. Just take it as a form of flattery and build that bloody new Sniper tunnel

 

[Bill Britton]

Kris you may be right.

Choices are always better, I agree. It's no problem that he wanted to create his own portal. But people seem to be ignoring how this choice has come to pass. He didn't create it through his own efforts. He stole it from me.

I'm fifty years old. I have been working on rcRacingEvents for over ten years. I wonder if people would be so casual about it if 20% of their lifetime effort had been stolen from them...

Let that sink in.

PS - Yeah, there's a new Sniper

 

[henry velasco]

I wonder if this go's on in the auto industry , they all look alike but they are different , do they bash each other for stealing they're design's after year's of hard work , like the song say's " let it be - let it be

It,s not solving anything but ego's

 

[KenOlvis]

Of course it's copyrighted. It has been since 2006 when I started writing it. The notice is at the bottom of every page but it seems that Ron Byrd doesn't seem to care about the law or someone's hard work. He is a lowlife scumbag thief.

 

[Mark Bullard]

I have been watching this thread for a bit. Bill I do not think that Ron stole anything. He has been working on this software on and off for over twenty years. I believe he help the Jackson TN club with entries, classes and scoring very close to what you have and that was 2004. I have something very close that I use on our races that works on Excel. Did I steal it from you, no! You seem to wear a chip on you shoulder if anyone says anything bad about your software.

I have used your software and it has problems. It is to direct point and not very variable. What I mean is that everything has to be just right. Now I do know that it does work and can be used but now you are charging for entries. That is ok and I have no problem with that. But will say this that we have had a few problems with our race that is posted now. And if we cannot get it cleared up we will not pay for something that does not work.

 

[Chris Wood]

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[Don Ferrette]

I think this has about run it's course. And for the record Byrd was not the first, there was a rather good race management program before his from a guy named Tony Dahbura back in the 90s. Some of you may remember him.......................