BOOM TUBE SPREAD(new PICS HERE!!)

[brett english]

It looks like i found the magic number for twin .91/101 riggers...19inches seems to be the most stable length without being overkill...with this length i find when i am approaching the turns i barely have to let off the throttle for the turns and the boat stays flat without the skid fin side lifting at all..the catch is your tubes have to be strong enough to handle this spread..make sure the aluminum tubes you are using are correct..we found some carbon fiber tubes that are almost an 1/8inch wall thickness and are woven together..they are 100% bullet proof..we will keep you guys posted soon on where they can be purchased and will post pictures..i feel these tubes are the future of twins riggers

HERE ARE THE PICTURES PROMISED

 

[Piston1]

You got my attention.

 

[brett english]

tired of bending tubes if you hit a bouy or flip, what about the old carbon tubes your using?? trust me they will snap if you stuff it or hit a bouy hard..i will post the future of twin rigger boom tubes soon..please reply to this thread if you are interested

 

[LarryConrad]

You have my attention.

 

[Buckshot]

Brett,

Show me what you got.

B

 

[Don Ferrette]

So let me ask you this...... you make the boom tubes bullet proof then what will be the point of failure? The tub? The sponsons? And yes with that much mass and that much speed there WILL be a point of failure. With spiral wound carbon or fiberglass boom tubes they will break and do so usually without any tub damage if they are sleeved internally where they pass through the tub to just beyond the outside of the tub walls. The sponson stubs should be aluminum and have sufficient wall thickness to not bend easily or break off and be securely mounted in the sponson, preferrably in wood dowels, not just glued by themselves into the foam. When done in this manner usually you are just replacing boom tubes after a bad crash and worst case perhaps heating up the aluminum sponson stubs pulling them out and gluing in new ones. Been there done that with many different variations and for me personally this has become the best way.

 

[brett english]

yes we took this into consideration..thats why i did not post any info until i tested these out fully in race conditions..heres an example..just this past weekend i was following larry beils twin at full throttle, as he entered

the turn i crossed his wake and turned through it..bad choice for me cause the skid fin went through his loose water and broke free, so my boat rolled at full throttle..boat(tub) and tubes perfect..if i had the aluminum tubes on

or the common carbon tubes i think they would either be bent or snap..also at full throttle dont you think your getting flexing on your tubes, esp through the turns?? trust me you are..these new tubes will not flex..resulting in much better handling..

 

[Don Ferrette]

The happy medium would be to find a tube that will break when it really needs to yet survive the less severe "tumbles". And for what it's worth I have had many a aluminum boom tube just bend from the stress of heat racing without a crash or buoy strike. The one good thing about carbon or 'glass tubes is they're either good or they're broke, no worries about if they're bent or not.

 

[brett english]

don i will have pics up soon..dont be stubborn like joe warren..LOL!!!

i really think this is the answer to big block twins..all i want is for this class to grow, and the less we have

to worry about the easier it will be to run this class..which will drag more people to run this class..you need to come down here to some of our florida races..competition is great and now you guys can run your 101"s...

 

[Don Ferrette]

don i will have pics up soon..dont be stubborn like joe warren..LOL!!!

i really think this is the answer to big block twins..all i want is for this class to grow, and the less we have

to worry about the easier it will be to run this class..which will drag more people to run this class..you need to come down here to some of our florida races..competition is great and now you guys can run your 101"s...

It's all good brutha Brett. Looking forward to the pics. B)

 

[brett english]

don i will have pics up soon..dont be stubborn like joe warren..LOL!!!

i really think this is the answer to big block twins..all i want is for this class to grow, and the less we have

to worry about the easier it will be to run this class..which will drag more people to run this class..you need to come down here to some of our florida races..competition is great and now you guys can run your 101"s...

It's all good brutha Brett. Looking forward to the pics. B)

PICTURES ARE UP IN POST #1

 

[ALLAN YUEN]

Wow really Tough triple lines Where did you get kelvan tubes? and price? let me know cheers Allan

 

[Buckshot]

Purdy tubing.

B

 

[Joe Warren]

don i will have pics up soon..dont be stubborn like joe warren..LOL!!!

i really think this is the answer to big block twins..all i want is for this class to grow, and the less we have

to worry about the easier it will be to run this class..which will drag more people to run this class..you need to come down here to some of our florida races..competition is great and now you guys can run your 101"s...

Funny you think I`am the Stubborn One Brett?? You cannot come along after the boat is built.......& Put a 11/16 O.D. tube in a Twin Hydro that has been set up for 5/8 tubing. You change all of the sponsons angles, Turn fin attack angle, Tub angle, Strut angle, & the angle of the rear sponsons. Your New Future Carbon tubes are 100 tho thick.... they have a Bigger OD (11/16). This is NOT GOOD..... READ AGAIN.... NOT GOOD!! You put these in a boat built for 5/8 tubes You instantly Push the TUB Down......... Away Goes Your Performance. Maybe I understanbd How My boat is Set up & dont want to Hurt the Performance of the Boat with a Tube that HAS a LARGER OUTER Diameter. How many Races Has your boat Won with these new tubes? WHERE ARE THE RESULTS?? ......... :blink: :blink: :huh: :huh: Another thing... If the Tubing was the Correct size & indistructable? When you do have a problem (hit whatever) you will transfer the stress to the tub because the tube is not breakabale? Right??...... I`ll Throw Front Ends away ever race... If My tub has No damage I`am happy camper...... Set your boat up Properly & you will Quit Blowing it off & Tumbling thru the corner & bending parts...... If your Serious about Un Breakable Boom Tubes buy some 5/8 Tiatanium Boom Tubes. You can buy them too & Not alter your entire Boat....... Pull Your Head Out of YOUR.... FLORIDA SAND & Pay Attention Boy!!!!!!!!! You might learn something!! I`ll be in Atlanta Spring Nats . Please Attend... & Get you Some..... :lol: :lol:

 

[brett english]

true about lowering the tub..and what a difference that made for my boat..more stable than ever..not doing too bad with these new tubes..1st place this past weekend....Joe get ur butt down here now that twin 101"s are legal and ill show you how to take 1st place...

next year we will come up to give u guys hell..see ya

 

[Joe Warren]

So let me ask you this...... you make the boom tubes bullet proof then what will be the point of failure? The tub? The sponsons? And yes with that much mass and that much speed there WILL be a point of failure. With spiral wound carbon or fiberglass boom tubes they will break and do so usually without any tub damage if they are sleeved internally where they pass through the tub to just beyond the outside of the tub walls. The sponson stubs should be aluminum and have sufficient wall thickness to not bend easily or break off and be securely mounted in the sponson, preferrably in wood dowels, not just glued by themselves into the foam. When done in this manner usually you are just replacing boom tubes after a bad crash and worst case perhaps heating up the aluminum sponson stubs pulling them out and gluing in new ones. Been there done that with many different variations and for me personally this has become the best way.

Todays Late 2010/2011 RR TWINS are Running 2024 - T6 tubing .065 Wall Thickness HARD MO/FO`s...Sponson tubing the Same 2024 T6 in wood dowels & WINNING RACES TOO!!!!!!!!! Maybe Brett will Step up to a Current Flat Bottom RR TWIN & Get into the Current Design Boat & the WINNERS CIRCLE???????????? :blink: :blink: :lol: :lol: MAYBE NOT, He is a Little Stubborn!!!!! B) p.s Brett they call me HAMMER HEAD, You have No Idea.......

 

[Joe Warren]

true about lowering the tub..and what a difference that made for my boat..more stable than ever..not doing too bad with these new tubes..1st place this past weekend....Joe get ur butt down here now that twin 101"s are legal and ill show you how to take 1st place...

next year we will come up to give u guys hell..see ya

Well I came to Orlando to see IT........ & NO Win in Orlando, NO Win in West Palm , & NO WIN in Brandon?????? You Sure those Tubes are Working for YA???????? :lol: :lol: Go with the 5/8 O.D. Tiatanium tubes if you are SERIOUS!!!!!!!! You CANNOT Redesign the boat after it is Built!!!!!!! You are altering the most important area of the boat that is Most Critical........ Ones that know how to Set a Boat Up Will know this........ The ones that Dont??? Well They Just dont Know????????? Never too late to learn........

 

[brett english]

true about lowering the tub..and what a difference that made for my boat..more stable than ever..not doing too bad with these new tubes..1st place this past weekend....Joe get ur butt down here now that twin 101"s are legal and ill show you how to take 1st place...

next year we will come up to give u guys hell..see ya

Well I came to Orlando to see IT........ & NO Win in Orlando, NO Win in West Palm , & NO WIN in Brandon?????? You Sure those Tubes are Working for YA???????? :lol: :lol: Go with the 5/8 O.D. Tiatanium tubes if you are SERIOUS!!!!!!!! You CANNOT Redesign the boat after it is Built!!!!!!! You are altering the most important area of the boat that is Most Critical........ Ones that know how to Set a Boat Up Will know this........ The ones that Dont??? Well They Just dont Know????????? Never too late to learn........

joe were going to have some serious fun late this season...just plan on making one of our florida races and bring down the big boys..maybe even stu and andy will enter.. ps-aluminum tubes were used in the orlando winter nats

 

[Joe Warren]

true about lowering the tub..and what a difference that made for my boat..more stable than ever..not doing too bad with these new tubes..1st place this past weekend....Joe get ur butt down here now that twin 101"s are legal and ill show you how to take 1st place...

next year we will come up to give u guys hell..see ya

Well I came to Orlando to see IT........ & NO Win in Orlando, NO Win in West Palm , & NO WIN in Brandon?????? You Sure those Tubes are Working for YA???????? :lol: :lol: Go with the 5/8 O.D. Tiatanium tubes if you are SERIOUS!!!!!!!! You CANNOT Redesign the boat after it is Built!!!!!!! You are altering the most important area of the boat that is Most Critical........ Ones that know how to Set a Boat Up Will know this........ The ones that Dont??? Well They Just dont Know????????? Never too late to learn........

joe were going to have some serious fun late this season...just plan on making one of our florida races and bring down the big boys..maybe even stu and andy will enter.. ps-aluminum tubes were used in the orlando winter nats

I wish for you guys to get a Fall Race Together with Some TWIN Racing. I will be there........ We have Atlanta Spring Nats, Huntsville Spring Race, Evansville Spring Race, Evansville Nitro Nats, Possibly Hobart? Evansville Fall Race already & then ONTO FLORIDA for a Fall Event & Some Twin Racing........

 

[julianconde]

Joe sounds like to me we are going to have a convoy from hell leaving from TN.. Im going to be there..

julian