5 Bouy Corner's

[Marty Davis]

I have been known to cut several bouys in one heat and owe points.

Walt Barney

Walt,

I don't recall you ever cutting that many whan I was calling for you. But just one cut with a start is -25points. Is carrying the negative points to the next round in the IMPBA rule book?????? LOL

Jon:

I agree with you. Walt is usually in lane 3 or 4 running like a "bat out of h---" :blink:

 

[Mark Grannis]

The Charleston Model Boaters voted today to use the 5 buoy setup for the Fall Nationals in October. Biggest challenge will be setting them up in 25' deep water.

Did the flyer state 5 buoys? Just curious?

MG

 

[Don Ferrette]

The Charleston Model Boaters voted today to use the 5 buoy setup for the Fall Nationals in October. Biggest challenge will be setting them up in 25' deep water.

Did the flyer state 5 buoys? Just curious?

MG

What's the point? It's now an IMPBA approved course option. B)

 

[mark voorhies]

So Mark and Sean, are you implying that those posting on how much it has improved things and the reduction of carnage in the corners are not being factual? Have either of you two raced a 5 buoy turn yet? Sean, you said- "I agree there would be less accidents with 5 buoy turns" so what's the big deal with you being against a 5 buoy corner? Mark since you posted "Well said Sean, I agree with what you think on this" the same question goes to you as well. Not singling you guys out but rather trying to understand this line of thinking you two share here. And as for the costs, that don't wash, you make it sound like these are $50 buoys. And BTW- 5 buoys do not make it "easier", it makes people cut an honest corner and if that results in more boats still out there RACING then what is wrong with that?

Don,

I am not posting for Sean, but just for myself. I have not raced a 5 bouy corner. None available where I race. And , no,

I don't see a need. All the hulls I run make a semi circle turn, your gonna have to make some radical steering to cut any of

the 3 bouys we have now, and if there were 5 , you would cut 2 or 3, instead of 1 or 2 . It's interesting, but most boat racers,

that I have seen can make bouy 1 thier downfall. To make a 5 bouy corner, opposed to a 3 , and come out with a better turn?

Again , curious. One of the main things I agree with on Seans post is the start. Don't need to have fast boats circling around in mid

coarse, trying to get on the clock. You want twins doin 1/2 mill?? Even if you do, let drivin the clock be somethin that takes some

practice, and left to full circle mill. Yes I see less carnage there.

As for cost of 12" styrofoam bouy's, our club ordered 40 , several years ago, which those are cut in half, $600 shipped.

That's 3 times our annual intake.

 

[Don Ferrette]

So Mark and Sean, are you implying that those posting on how much it has improved things and the reduction of carnage in the corners are not being factual? Have either of you two raced a 5 buoy turn yet? Sean, you said- "I agree there would be less accidents with 5 buoy turns" so what's the big deal with you being against a 5 buoy corner? Mark since you posted "Well said Sean, I agree with what you think on this" the same question goes to you as well. Not singling you guys out but rather trying to understand this line of thinking you two share here. And as for the costs, that don't wash, you make it sound like these are $50 buoys. And BTW- 5 buoys do not make it "easier", it makes people cut an honest corner and if that results in more boats still out there RACING then what is wrong with that?

Don,

I am not posting for Sean, but just for myself. I have not raced a 5 bouy corner. None available where I race. And , no,

I don't see a need. All the hulls I run make a semi circle turn, your gonna have to make some radical steering to cut any of

the 3 bouys we have now, and if there were 5 , you would cut 2 or 3, instead of 1 or 2 . It's interesting, but most boat racers,

that I have seen can make bouy 1 thier downfall. To make a 5 bouy corner, opposed to a 3 , and come out with a better turn?

Again , curious. One of the main things I agree with on Seans post is the start. Don't need to have fast boats circling around in mid

coarse, trying to get on the clock. You want twins doin 1/2 mill?? Even if you do, let drivin the clock be somethin that takes some

practice, and left to full circle mill. Yes I see less carnage there.

As for cost of 12" styrofoam bouy's, our club ordered 40 , several years ago, which those are cut in half, $600 shipped.

That's 3 times our annual intake.

Well Mark there in lies the issue then, you really need to try a 5 buoy turn, it sure convinced me as well as many others that it is far better and has dramatically improved the driving in the corners, far less carnage and the cut/hit buoy calls are way down as well. And BTW- isn't the whole point to NOT cut the buoys??? Sure you can drive a clean arc, but it makes others drive a clean line as well, no more squaring off the turns. Take a look at the attached pic and look at the line it forms for each. As for the 1/2 mill thing (which this thread is NOT about) I agree with you, DO NOT want it!! And for buoys here's something you guys might try that will save you a ton of money and time. We switched to the 7.5" round floats (buoys) from Atlantic and Gulf part # FLTG712- https://secure.atagulf.com/cgi-local/webcat/products_page.cgi

These are legal size, come pre-drilled and sleeved, just paint and drop in the water. The full round shape stands up way, way better to getting hit and at $1.92 each you'll save big time over the 12" ones and you don't have to mess with cutting them in half.

 

[Andy Greene]

4 pages of wasted breath-

DONT LIKE 5 corner course - DONT RUN IT.

Never tried it- DONT COMMENT until you do-

AT this point I COULD LESS TO EVER RUN A THREE BUOY COURSE AND NEVER HAVE A DESIRE TO.

iF namba ever goes away , so will all my boats- straight to the ban saw- then to the fire pit.....

Maybe one day you guys will wake up and realize that the closer the orgs are the better for everyone- but I guess its just to easy to be split- have different rules and act like a bunch of freaking children.

The excuse of not being able to afford the extra buoys is about as lame as I have heard, maybe you need more club members-higher dues or just plane old quit racing.

Half mill - UNLESS YOU HAVE TRIED IT- DON'T ***** about how it makes it easier to get on the clock-more wrecks-its too scary for me-my feel good hurts- ect ect ect THATS BS -PERIOD.

30 sec Clock - WELL YOU KNOW WHERE I stand by now- so enough said.........

Maybe one day when one of the two orgs takes a shzt and you have no other choice but to conform- you will either quit racing boats or you will conform to what you have to deal with.

I personally am sick and tired of this BS.....

Andy

 

[Don Ferrette]

Interesting ....... and those are your opinions just like everyone else's on here. Just because you disagree does not make it 4 pages of wasted breath. As for the "if NAMBA ever goes away" comment .... who whizzed in your Wheaties this morning? :unsure:

Would someone in the same part of town as Andy please run a box of Midol over to him as it appears our pal is having a moment.

Smile Andy, it's toy boats. Go out to the shop, uncork a jug of 60% and take a deep breath. B)

 

[Ron Olson]

I doubt if NAMBA or IMPBA is going anywhere anytime soon. We've only got one NAMBA club in my neck of the woods and it's electric only.

I'm not a buoy hugger myself so I really don't care how many buoys are in the turns. Those that want to risk getting too close can end up by paying for it by hitting one and putting yourself out of contention or lose points if you cut inside them.

Seeing how Marty's in here commenting, maybe he ought to show you how he had shown to drive a course on his old site and it would keep you off the buoys.

 

[Marty Davis]

I doubt if NAMBA or IMPBA is going anywhere anytime soon. We've only got one NAMBA club in my neck of the woods and it's electric only.

I'm not a buoy hugger myself so I really don't care how many buoys are in the turns. Those that want to risk getting too close can end up by paying for it by hitting one and putting yourself out of contention or lose points if you cut inside them.

Seeing how Marty's in here commenting, maybe he ought to show you how he had shown to drive a course on his old site and it would keep you off the buoys.

Ron:

You don't know me very well. I am as much a "buoy hugger" and you have ever seen. I do hit some buoys, but I think that if you don't once in a while, you are not where you belong.

 

[Chris Wood]

doesn't matter to me if there are 3 5 or 20 bouys.. still got to go around them either way.

chris

 

[Mark Grannis]

The Charleston Model Boaters voted today to use the 5 buoy setup for the Fall Nationals in October. Biggest challenge will be setting them up in 25' deep water.

Did the flyer state 5 buoys? Just curious?

MG

What's the point? It's now an IMPBA approved course option. B)

The point is proper notification in any deviation from the known rules at time of one's entry, so there are no surprises after traveling many hundreds or thousands of miles. I don't think this course option has been approved for very long...correct?

One other significant issue is testing. Different prop, turn fin and rudder throw for 3 vs. 5 buoys.

Yes, I like the snap hook turn right next to buoy 2 and triangulating turns on the IMPBA course. All my boats are so much slower than all those much faster ones.

I just want to test correctly. I'll race anybody on any course... except Chad!

MG

 

[Tom Foley]

Smile Andy, it's toy boats. Go out to the shop, uncork a jug of 60% and take a deep breath. B)

Man ..and I thought I was the only one who did this to get fired up !! :lol: