5 Bouy Corner's

[larcor69]

The Gas guy's on JRCBD are raving about how nice using the more rounded 5 bouy corner is was wondering if the nitro guys would like the same?

 

[Ron Olson]

3, 5 or 100 buoys in the turns is no big deal to me as I'm not one of the those who try to square off every buoy. I'd rather see more in the straights towards the beginning of the turns to help line myself up especially for turn 4 and to keep inside passes from happening.

There was also talk over at Jim's about the IMPBA using half-mill starts. No thank you.

 

[Don Ferrette]

As I posted over on the Dock-

During our IMPBA board meeting a proposal from director Bob Nauss was presented and overwhelmingly passed to add the 5 buoy turn as an optional IMPBA legal course! Added as a technical specification update so it can be utilized for this season if clubs choose to. As follows-

Section K: Tech Specs

IMPBA Approved Courses

General

4. For scoring and course reference purposes, all marker buoys shall be numbered consecutively in the direction of the course starting with the first buoy to the left of the Start/Finish buoy and ending with the buoy immediately to the right of the Start/Finish buoy. The Start/Finish buoy shall carry no number identification. Straightaway buoys will be added to the 1/3-mile oval course only. The front straightaway buoy will be located halfway between the start/finish line (center of course) and buoy one; the back straightaway buoy will be located halfway between the center of course and buoy four. The optional Radius Buoys will be added to the 1/3-mile oval course only. The Radius buoys shall carry no number identification. The Radius buoys will be placed in between buoys 1&2, 2&3, 4&5, and 5&6.

Keep in mind it is still the same 50 point deduction for cutting or hitting a buoy and that includes the radius buoys.

 

I can tell you now that in D12 we've been running 5 buoy corners all season and so far everyone likes it regardless of it being nitro or gas racers. It is amazing how much it has improved racing overall, reduced the number of buoys getting hit and the carnage in the turns from those who used to square off their corners. Based on member feedback and what we've seen so far we will definitely run the 5 buoy turns for next season as well. B)

 

[larcor69]

we discussed it at our meeting yesterday, so we know that the gas guy's are wanting it, just wanted to see what the nitro guy's thought, I think we might set up the Hydro fest race in warren aug. 8-9 with 5

 

[Buckshot]

5-Bouy corners ROCK no matter if it's a gas, nitro, or electric boat!

I saw that there was some discussion about calling dead boats and the fact that most guys are use to the 3 buoy corners. I.e. DEAD BOAT OFF OF 4! Everyone looks to the right. When I was racing in NAMBA-9 they simply used Turn 1(buoys 1-5) and Turn 2(buoys 6-10) and location to call dead wood during a heat. I.e. DEAD BOAT @ APEX TURN 2 = dead boat ~ buoy 8, DEAD BOAT EXIT OF TURN 1 and so on. Worked great.

-Buck-

 

[shoboat]

Racers,

If it helps with lane infractions that will be a welcome change.

It will make some drivers alter their present turn habits.

More may help keep the buoys on the course longer. Hope we can

test it out next weekend in Warren, MI.

Thanks,

Mark Sholund

 

[carlnoki]

hey folks

at our Centreville VA (Dist. 12) race we only had one (1) bouy get hit and had to replace it.

EVERYONE drove AROUND the 5 bouy turns instead of squaring off the corners as in the past.

There were FEWER dead boats from being HIT compared to the old 3 bouy turn course.

I have also raced NAMBA out west when we were stationed out in AZ. So it was not

a problem for me to adjust. only took one (1) lap.

just my 2 cents.

Carl

 

[M@MRacing]

Ron i said same thing about half mill as you till i tried it i think it is great we down here in district3 namba leave it up to the club weather they want to do it or not. Robert

 

[Andy Greene]

Ron i said same thing about half mill as you till i tried it i think it is great we down here in district3 namba leave it up to the club weather they want to do it or not. Robert

Once you get used to it- 1 race, you may find you like it (1/2 mill), it for sure makes for better starts.

30 Second clock is pretty cool also, and remember, you always have the option of not cutting the course or refusing the 30 sec skip down...

Andy

 

[Michael Costanzo]

As I posted over on the Dock-

During our IMPBA board meeting a proposal from director Bob Nauss was presented and overwhelmingly passed to add the 5 buoy turn as an optional IMPBA legal course! Added as a technical specification update so it can be utilized for this season if clubs choose to. As follows-

Section K: Tech Specs

IMPBA Approved Courses

General

4. For scoring and course reference purposes, all marker buoys shall be numbered consecutively in the direction of the course starting with the first buoy to the left of the Start/Finish buoy and ending with the buoy immediately to the right of the Start/Finish buoy. The Start/Finish buoy shall carry no number identification. Straightaway buoys will be added to the 1/3-mile oval course only. The front straightaway buoy will be located halfway between the start/finish line (center of course) and buoy one; the back straightaway buoy will be located halfway between the center of course and buoy four. The optional Radius Buoys will be added to the 1/3-mile oval course only. The Radius buoys shall carry no number identification. The Radius buoys will be placed in between buoys 1&2, 2&3, 4&5, and 5&6.

Keep in mind it is still the same 50 point deduction for cutting or hitting a buoy and that includes the radius buoys.

 

I can tell you now that in D12 we've been running 5 buoy corners all season and so far everyone likes it regardless of it being nitro or gas racers. It is amazing how much it has improved racing overall, reduced the number of buoys getting hit and the carnage in the turns from those who used to square off their corners. Based on member feedback and what we've seen so far we will definitely run the 5 buoy turns for next season as well. B)

MY 2 CENTS WORTH,..GEE IT TOOK A GUY FROM BROOKLN TO EXPLAIN TO MOST THAT A ROUND COURSE IS THE BETTER WAY. AND NO I AM NOT LOOKING TO START ANOTHER200 REPLY THREAD,LOVE YA DON. LOL! PS,WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH ALL THE RAIN UP IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS? :blink:

 

[Don Ferrette]

As I posted over on the Dock-

During our IMPBA board meeting a proposal from director Bob Nauss was presented and overwhelmingly passed to add the 5 buoy turn as an optional IMPBA legal course! Added as a technical specification update so it can be utilized for this season if clubs choose to. As follows-

Section K: Tech Specs

IMPBA Approved Courses

General

4. For scoring and course reference purposes, all marker buoys shall be numbered consecutively in the direction of the course starting with the first buoy to the left of the Start/Finish buoy and ending with the buoy immediately to the right of the Start/Finish buoy. The Start/Finish buoy shall carry no number identification. Straightaway buoys will be added to the 1/3-mile oval course only. The front straightaway buoy will be located halfway between the start/finish line (center of course) and buoy one; the back straightaway buoy will be located halfway between the center of course and buoy four. The optional Radius Buoys will be added to the 1/3-mile oval course only. The Radius buoys shall carry no number identification. The Radius buoys will be placed in between buoys 1&2, 2&3, 4&5, and 5&6.

Keep in mind it is still the same 50 point deduction for cutting or hitting a buoy and that includes the radius buoys.

 

I can tell you now that in D12 we've been running 5 buoy corners all season and so far everyone likes it regardless of it being nitro or gas racers. It is amazing how much it has improved racing overall, reduced the number of buoys getting hit and the carnage in the turns from those who used to square off their corners. Based on member feedback and what we've seen so far we will definitely run the 5 buoy turns for next season as well. B)

MY 2 CENTS WORTH,..GEE IT TOOK A GUY FROM BROOKLYN TO EXPLAIN TO MOST THAT A ROUND COURSE IS THE BETTER WAY. AND NO I AM NOT LOOKING TO START ANOTHER 200 REPLY THREAD, LOVE YA DON. LOL! PS,WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH ALL THE RAIN UP IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS? :blink:

I never had a problem with 5 buoys but rather with the wussy 1/2 mill BS, you can keep it as 1/2 mill takes no skill. 5 buoys, full mill, full clock, the best of both worlds.  

I think if all this rain doesn't let up sometime soon we'll need to start buildin' an ark. :unsure:

 

[Michael Costanzo]

As I posted over on the Dock-

During our IMPBA board meeting a proposal from director Bob Nauss was presented and overwhelmingly passed to add the 5 buoy turn as an optional IMPBA legal course! Added as a technical specification update so it can be utilized for this season if clubs choose to. As follows-

Section K: Tech Specs

IMPBA Approved Courses

General

4. For scoring and course reference purposes, all marker buoys shall be numbered consecutively in the direction of the course starting with the first buoy to the left of the Start/Finish buoy and ending with the buoy immediately to the right of the Start/Finish buoy. The Start/Finish buoy shall carry no number identification. Straightaway buoys will be added to the 1/3-mile oval course only. The front straightaway buoy will be located halfway between the start/finish line (center of course) and buoy one; the back straightaway buoy will be located halfway between the center of course and buoy four. The optional Radius Buoys will be added to the 1/3-mile oval course only. The Radius buoys shall carry no number identification. The Radius buoys will be placed in between buoys 1&2, 2&3, 4&5, and 5&6.

Keep in mind it is still the same 50 point deduction for cutting or hitting a buoy and that includes the radius buoys.

 

I can tell you now that in D12 we've been running 5 buoy corners all season and so far everyone likes it regardless of it being nitro or gas racers. It is amazing how much it has improved racing overall, reduced the number of buoys getting hit and the carnage in the turns from those who used to square off their corners. Based on member feedback and what we've seen so far we will definitely run the 5 buoy turns for next season as well. B)

MY 2 CENTS WORTH,..GEE IT TOOK A GUY FROM BROOKLYN TO EXPLAIN TO MOST THAT A ROUND COURSE IS THE BETTER WAY. AND NO I AM NOT LOOKING TO START ANOTHER 200 REPLY THREAD, LOVE YA DON. LOL! PS,WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH ALL THE RAIN UP IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS? :blink:

I never had a problem with 5 buoys but rather with the wussy 1/2 mill BS, you can keep it as 1/2 mill takes no skill. 5 buoys, full mill, full clock, the best of both worlds.  

I think if all this rain doesn't let up sometime soon we'll need to start buildin' an ark. :unsure:

I have no problem with full mill,it just takes alittle ajusting to get it right.i do not think i have been up your way once in the last god knows how many trips and it has been like monsoons every time. hope it clears up for you guys so you can race boats on the lakes and not down the interstates.

 

[Jerry T]

I have no problem with more bouys, after I hit the first one I usually get over the others.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

The problem with 5 bouys would be the smaller clubs setting them up on race day.

My club's pond is not setup with a set course, it is laid out with marked ropes and sighted by eye.

4 more bouys would just make more complaints about the course.

My 2 cenys.

Jerry

 

[Hydro Junkie]

Out here in the Northwest, the scale clubs have been using the bouy set up proposed for at least 20 years, along with a full 3 minute countdown to the start. Never had a problem with either one. All the drivers know that at 30 seconds, they're either running or they're out so it's not an issue. On the half mill, watched it done at the NAMBA Nats a few weeks back. Looks to me to be a way to save fuel and confuse drivers. I'm with Don on this one, full mill and more bouys B)

 

[Tim_Duggan]

I saw that there was some discussion about calling dead boats and the fact that most guys are use to the 3 buoy corners. I.e. DEAD BOAT OFF OF 4! Everyone looks to the right.

We switched to 5 buoy turns in Oz years ago, and the extra bouys are called as 1/2 bouys - for example "dead boat on bouy one and a half" . In other words, bouy 4 is still the bouy at the end of the back straight. The boaters who had been around for years on 3 bouy turns took to the calls pretty easily.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Even though the vast majority of those who have voted are choosing 5 buoy corners, I'd like to hear from some of the 9 that voted no as to why they feel the 3 buoy turn is better.

 

[Jerry T]

Even though the vast majority of those who have voted are choosing 5 buoy corners, I'd like to hear from some of the 9 that voted no as to why they feel the 3 buoy turn is better.

When our club sets up the course, it is from scratch, we are not aloud to have anything set in the water to mark the course.

With only 1 retrieve boat and about 6 people it is always difficult to get the course set. We use a measured rope setup for the course and eyeball it from the shore. Then with the markings on the rope we set the corner bouys(1,3,4,& 6). Maybe if everyone that races had to set up their course they would understand that some clubs just don't have the ...manpower, resources.. after all it is a hobby.

Don't get me wrong I love the hobby and the sport.

My 2 cents, don't mean to create a hassle.

Jerry

 

[Don Ferrette]

Jerry if you guys are using a rope between 1&3 and 4&6 try this- go to your midpoint and add a 35 foot rope that will give you the radius of the turn for 3 or 5 buoy corners. Just a thought that might make it easier.

Jerry is just one out of the now 10 no's so how 'bout it other no votes, let's hear why. :unsure:

 

[Sean Bowf]

Jerry if you guys are using a rope between 1&3 and 4&6 try this- go to your midpoint and add a 35 foot rope that will give you the radius of the turn for 3 or 5 buoy corners. Just a thought that might make it easier.

Jerry is just one out of the now 10 no's so how 'bout it other no votes, let's hear why. :unsure:

I think there will be a problem with the setup too. Just one more thing to have to fudge with prior to a race. If you are using a rope tied to a center buoy to measure from, what keeps the center buoy from moving as you move the rope around to set up all the turn buoys?

Just seems like an attempt to make it easier for folks that have a hard time driving... If I wanted this hobby to be easy, i would be running gas (JK)

Sean

 

[Mark Grannis]

Jerry if you guys are using a rope between 1&3 and 4&6 try this- go to your midpoint and add a 35 foot rope that will give you the radius of the turn for 3 or 5 buoy corners. Just a thought that might make it easier.

Jerry is just one out of the now 10 no's so how 'bout it other no votes, let's hear why. :unsure:

Here you go Don.

CONS:

It reduces a portion of the potential racing area which in fact will make the turns more crowded, and increase the number of collisions.

More potential buoys will need replacing during an event.

It forces racers to use their throttles, and we know many only use them when bringing the boat back to shore.

With 10 turn buoys out there, it just gives me the opportunity to hit four more. I already get my fair share.

If you suffer from pentiphobia, I don't want you in my heat.

PROS:

Clearly defines lane one.

If you have an OCD it looks pretty.

The 1/2 mill will always be a Safety Hazard... To circle up 6 - 8 or even more boats for two plus mins and hope they don't get together on only half of a course is wishful thinking.

MG