100+ MPH

[Eric Canto]

Hey Don F,
Eric is going to tell you how to go 100+ with your twin.

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I am sure Don does not need any help to run 100+ with his twin if he hasn't already done so..... Preston, I am not sure how to take your post, are you just poking fun? I agree that a twin is not inherently faster than a single engine boat, but is MUCH easier for your average boater to successfully DRIVE a 100MPH full size heat race twin than the usual small boat/ big engine combos used to go 100.

I have seen plenty of guys that were handed the radio to a 100+ MPH SAW boat that could not drive it to a single successful pass through the traps.

Eric Canto

The Speed Shop

 

[Buckshot]

Hey Don F,
Eric is going to tell you how to go 100+ with your twin.

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I am sure Don does not need any help to run 100+ with his twin if he hasn't already done so..... Preston, I am not sure how to take your post, are you just poking fun? I agree that a twin is not inherently faster than a single engine boat, but is MUCH easier for your average boater to successfully DRIVE a 100MPH full size heat race twin than the usual small boat/ big engine combos used to go 100.

I have seen plenty of guys that were handed the radio to a 100+ MPH SAW boat that could not drive it to a single successful pass through the traps.

Eric Canto

The Speed Shop

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Eric,

Any insite on driving that fast? Is it because of prop walk or just tring to keep it straight since most have no turn fin. I'd imagine that the boat would want to jump naked side ways when you smash the gas.

-BUCK-

 

[Preston_Hall]

Hey Don F,
Eric is going to tell you how to go 100+ with your twin.

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I am sure Don does not need any help to run 100+ with his twin if he hasn't already done so..... Preston, I am not sure how to take your post, are you just poking fun? I agree that a twin is not inherently faster than a single engine boat, but is MUCH easier for your average boater to successfully DRIVE a 100MPH full size heat race twin than the usual small boat/ big engine combos used to go 100.

I have seen plenty of guys that were handed the radio to a 100+ MPH SAW boat that could not drive it to a single successful pass through the traps.

Eric Canto

The Speed Shop

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I am poking fun and trying not to mislead anybody here.

I think Don does need your input because he ain't goin' that fast. Just because it says MAC or Don Ferrette doesn't mean it's law or in this case "a no brainer". So, if you would like to post the complete setup for a 100mph CMD twin then I am sure in would be very appreciated by many since, and I'll say it again, there are less than 15 people in the 100mph club.

As far as driving goes an average driver CANNOT drive a 100mph boat and it was Mr. Finch who held the wheel of Mr. Ferrette's boat.

The moral here is "Don't be too sure of what you don't know".

 

[Don Ferrette]

"I think Don does need your input because he ain't goin' that fast. Just because it says MAC or Don Ferrette doesn't mean it's law or in this case "a no brainer". So, if you would like to post the complete setup for a 100mph CMD twin then I am sure in would be very appreciated by many since, and I'll say it again, there are less than 15 people in the 100mph club."

Really can't say much there, only time it was on radar was in the spring coming off the corners at 88- 90. Just ask Mike T. as he was the one holding the gun. I really didn't spend as much time with the twin last year as I should have, then I hurt a motor at the Invitational (maybe before that). But this year WILL be a different story, you can count on that. B)

"As far as driving goes an average driver CANNOT drive a 100mph boat and it was Mr. Finch who held the wheel of Mr. Ferrette's boat."

Yes & no. After getting very frustrated at last fall's SAW with many passes well over 100, but short of the record, I began thinking it was me & did in fact give the radio to John. Didn't matter, neither of us got past the record (we got real close though). The year before was ALL me with a best of 108. As for ovals the team record was the plan all along, John is THE best time trial oval driver I've seen. When he gets in a groove he is the man. Just ask Kentley as John drove his record holding F oval boat as well.

Just setting the "record" straight.

 

[DON MAHER]

Buckshot To drive a boat that is capable of going 100+ mph does take a little time to master. The best view of what the boat is doing is to drive it stright at you. ONLY DO THIS IF IT IS SAFE. You will be able to see everthing the boat is doing.

 

[gil sonsino]

What is the best size for a "saw" lake?

Gill

 

[Preston_Hall]

FYI, I wasn't knocking Don's twin more of the fact of a 100mph twin. I would think if a twin were the way to go then Mr. Brown himself would have one for SAW. Oh well, enough about twins.

Don,

I forgot about 2003, you did finally manage to go straight a few times over 100mph. :lol: John is the OVAL MAN when it comes to driving. 1.5 seconds off 2 records and over 1 second from the third. SMOKIN'!

Gil,

The guys use almost every inch of this. Here is a view from the CD tent. The boats will usually go almost out of the picture. Our first lake was about 1500 feet which was way too small for today's speeds. I would say this lake is at least 2500 feet since we have about 100 feet at each end of the traps.

 

[AndyBrown]

There are 10 guys in the CMD 100 mph club that ran over 100 with CMDi hulls.

Tom VandenBrink of the Netherlands is the 11th member, but not yet added to the list.

Tom is the first in Europe to officially run over 100 mph with nitro power and did it using his scratch built MAC 45 powered 21 SG.

Other guys who have gone over 100 to my knowlege are;

Steve Odonnell

Mark Grim

Scott Bouchie

Mike Nowicki

John Finch

Don Maher

That makes 17 that I know of that have made an official 100 + mph pass.

There may be someone I left out, but not on purpose so don't jump on me.

Terry Keely could probably name some that have run very close to 100.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Don, I forgot about 2003, you did finally manage to go straight a few times over 100mph. :lol:

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You crack me up P man! I know one thing for sure if I can't drag Finch out to the practice pond more often this year I might have to hook up with you & KP in Franklin. B)

 

[Flyin Rat Sass]

What is the best size for a "saw" lake? Gill

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the obvious answer is small enough so that the wind cover provided by the surroundings

be effective but large enough that turn around area and approach are ample. it seems lhat location is probably more important than size once a minimium size is determined.

as with most pieces of the go-fast equation records fall when all conditions are optimal.legg lake, while not being too small is ample for most turn arounds and approaches but the surroundings (hills, tree lines ect) keep the lake much calmer than if

if it were in the middle of the desert.

 

[DON MAHER]

Gil Legg lake is about 1900 ft. and is becoming to small for the speeds that are being run today. To be able to shut down & turn around from 120+ safely 1900 ft. is about as short as you want. 2500ft. would be safer.

 

[Chris Wittrig]

There are 10 guys in the CMD 100 mph club that ran over 100 with CMDi hulls.Tom VandenBrink of the Netherlands is the 11th member, but not yet added to the list. 

Tom is the first in Europe to  officially run over 100 mph with nitro power and did it using his scratch built MAC 45 powered 21 SG.

Other guys who have gone over 100 to my knowlege are;

Steve Odonnell

Mark Grim

Scott Bouchie

Mike Nowicki

John Finch

Don Maher

That makes 17 that I know of that have made an official 100 + mph pass.

There may be someone I left out, but not on purpose so don't jump on me.

Terry Keely could probably name some that have run very close to 100.

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Add Chris Grim to the list, who was also the youngest to do it at 16.

 

[gil sonsino]

Thanks Preston and Don.

We have been running our saw riggers in a 1200 feet long lake and impossible to have boats on the pipe safetely.we have had some fast boats here but no official passes once our rules are different from yours.

As I said before I made last november 1,99s best pass with my GR design plus Mac 84 so this year the saw race will be the same in Usa so let's see if we can make two good passes.

Mac is definitevely in the club at least here!

Maybe this year our local team will attend Legg Lake........

Thanks

Gill

 

[Terry Keeley]

There are 10 guys in the CMD 100 mph club that ran over 100 with CMDi hulls.Tom VandenBrink of the Netherlands is the 11th member, but not yet added to the list. 

Tom is the first in Europe to  officially run over 100 mph with nitro power and did it using his scratch built MAC 45 powered 21 SG.

Other guys who have gone over 100 to my knowlege are;

Steve Odonnell

Mark Grim

Scott Bouchie

Mike Nowicki

John Finch

Don Maher

That makes 17 that I know of that have made an official 100 + mph pass.

There may be someone I left out, but not on purpose so don't jump on me.

Terry Keely could probably name some that have run very close to 100.

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Ya, Gary Preusse ran about 2 thousandths off 100 (99.9+) with his 40 Hawk and I ran 98+ with my 40 boat. Mike's the only one to run 100+ at Flint doing it in 2000 IIRC.

 

[Terry Keeley]

What is the best size for a "saw" lake? Gill

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Thread Lake's about 2500 feet where we run and guys trying to go fast use all of it.

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/add...int%2c+MI+48503

Come and try your luck May 14, 15!

 

[gil sonsino]

Terry it is quite a trip for us and still working hard for our local champ so wonder Legg Lake will be easier.

BTW waiting for our new Mac's...........maybe Andy hear me! :lol:

Nice place the Flint lake!

Thanks

Gill

 

[AndyBrown]

There you go! Chris makes it 18.

Looks to me like the best way to get there is to hang out with the right group of boaters.

You can only do what you can believe in. Years ago I was talking to a long time great boater....US-1 champ and such. I was talking about running 90 mph (hadn't done it yet). He told me "there'll never be no R/C boat run 90 mile-nour".

Guess what.....he was the guy holding the radar gun when I drove my Picco 67 powered Eagle race boat , complete with full turnfin, to 90 mph back in 1993.

Preston wrote:

"I would think if a twin were the way to go then Mr. Brown himself would have one for SAW. Oh well, enough about twins."

Preston, The twin for SAW really has a lot of potential. I've just never persued it.

I've only run a twin at record trials twice. Both times they were boats that I borrowed from customers.

The first time was 1992 IMPBA Internats. Boat was a Picco Hydro 90 powered twin Eagle that belonged to Mayard Cagle. At that nats I set a new SAW record of 89 mph with Maynards Twin race boat. (at the nats you only get two passes)

The second time was Roger Hooks' 'WonderTwin' MAC84 powered EagleSG.

When I arrived at the pond with the boat the Stock 84's had never been fired, the props were stock 2170's and the fuel was 60%. After 3-4 runs to break-in the engines and fine tune the needles I made a 114 mph pass. All this within 2 hrs. of arriving at the lake.

That is ALL of my efforts to go fast with a twin for SAW.

The boats and motors are availble. Learning to drive a boat 100 mph is actually more difficult than obtaining the boat to do it with.

There are some guys out there who have been trying very hard for years to run 100 mph and have not yet done it. But they are getting close (Gary, Terry ).

They are great boaters and choose to use their own ideas to get there and I respect them for that.

Oh and I just remembered....the gas guys Jeff Michaud and Mike Bontoff.

That makes 20.

The electric guys don't count....hehe :lol: Just kidding!

T Higdon and J Mrkwitscka make a total of 22.

 

[gil sonsino]

Where can I find the official rules for saw races.I do know that every official record is the addition of the two pass times divided per two but how about the rest? we are looking for timing equipment for this!

Thanks

Gill

 

[Preston_Hall]

Yup, lots of fast very boats out there and I too believe in being around the right group to be able to go fast. I know I owe credit to more than one person. Many of the record boats, if not all, at my time trials have been team efforts. There is always a little input on setup, prop, and pipe.

Just to please myself, I would like to see twins as being THE boat to have as too many people show them up wth a single.

For the number of people to have gone 100mph lets say 30. This is still a very small percentage and the number is not easy obtained. But while we are talking impressive I think 100mph is in the past as the goals have been set a little higher.

 

[6cuda6]

Why is it that the electrics can make more speed than nitro's....is it just a distance thing??? I understand the principles...electrics have instant torq etc....but 32 cells and a brushless is HEAVY!!!!

The land record for r/c cars is held also by an electric car...go figure....

Here's a link to SAW for those interested www.drcwebservices.com/lasaw/default3.htm as published in R/C Boat Modeler...June 2005 issue..