texas cut.

[camaroboy383]

lol......get em hugh...lol... maybe rod will share the jg wealth with ya...lol.....

 

[John Beardslee]

This topic has turned out to be one of the greatest threads ever....i had very low expectations for this thread as far as replies,, but its turned out phenominal.... To hear the information from people like charles,,rod,,and your self john,,,who have had ties in this hobby longer than ive been alive.... like rod said,, unfortunately most who would know this are on the other side... you fella's paved the road for us younger fella's and as always we are greatful for all the R&D and your insight on your experiences... john,, a picture would be great my friend,, i would love to see a famous beardslee texas cut prop...... i look foward to it....

BTW,,, just curious,, how is it that after so long you found intlwaters??? friends recommendation?? was it this particular topic that brought you back??

As always im so glad to see another rc boating great back into the scene....welcome back my friend...

Alden Cost

I fly heli's and planes with Maynard Troyer down here in FL during the winters, he told me about a boat race in Brandon last year so I had time to stop by. He thought Martin Davis would be there but he couldn't make it but I did see a lot of others. I had done wheels for Tom Foley years ago and he told me about Iternational Waters. I checked it out but didn't post anything but just had to add my 2 cents on the Texas Cut topic. When the folks in CA & TX were doing their Texas Cuts in the 70's, In the great lakes area I was doing the "elephant ear cut" to the 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.8 series octura props. In 1972 Ron Walker of our Detroit Wolverine Club (later Chicago) was the first R/C boat (IMPBA "E") over 60 mph, it happened at the Flint pond. Then just a few years later the guys in Indy used the E props to run over 80. I can't remember who was first Bill LeFeber or Marty Davis. Then in Chicago, Ron Walker had a one way pass with his geared twin rigger using a 1667 (3/16 shaft) of 109 mph. The 3/16 inch bore sized 1667 ran different that the later 1/4 inch bore version. The pond in Chicago was lopsided and there was no room to set up for the backup pass. I don't remember the year. I still have a couple of composite hulls, a twin and a 40 that Ron Logghe had layed up for us. Neither have been tuned up, only tested. The twin with Rossi 80's weighs 14 lbs and I don't remember the 40's weight. These hulls are super ridgid and for their day very light. But by that time 1994 Ron and I had started to really back off on the testing time and racing. We about embarrased ourselves at the twin race and Indy Unlimited and decided that if we couldn't do it right we wouldn't do it! We gave some thought to building some single 90 boats to run instead of the twins because they took a lot less time and testing to perform well. Sorry to be so long winded. I have always been addicted to adrenalin and it doesn't matter if its full size or R/C as long as it is fast & mechanical I enjoy it.

John

 

[Norm Doerr]

This topic has turned out to be one of the greatest threads ever....i had very low expectations for this thread as far as replies,, but its turned out phenominal.... To hear the information from people like charles,,rod,,and your self john,,,who have had ties in this hobby longer than ive been alive.... like rod said,, unfortunately most who would know this are on the other side... you fella's paved the road for us younger fella's and as always we are greatful for all the R&D and your insight on your experiences... john,, a picture would be great my friend,, i would love to see a famous beardslee texas cut prop...... i look foward to it....

BTW,,, just curious,, how is it that after so long you found intlwaters??? friends recommendation?? was it this particular topic that brought you back??

As always im so glad to see another rc boating great back into the scene....welcome back my friend...

Alden Cost

I fly heli's and planes with Maynard Troyer down here in FL during the winters, he told me about a boat race in Brandon last year so I had time to stop by. He thought Martin Davis would be there but he couldn't make it but I did see a lot of others. I had done wheels for Tom Foley years ago and he told me about Iternational Waters. I checked it out but didn't post anything but just had to add my 2 cents on the Texas Cut topic. When the folks in CA & TX were doing their Texas Cuts in the 70's, In the great lakes area I was doing the "elephant ear cut" to the 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.8 series octura props. In 1972 Ron Walker of our Detroit Wolverine Club (later Chicago) was the first R/C boat (IMPBA "E") over 60 mph, it happened at the Flint pond. Then just a few years later the guys in Indy used the E props to run over 80. I can't remember who was first Bill LeFeber or Marty Davis. Then in Chicago, Ron Walker had a one way pass with his geared twin rigger using a 1667 (3/16 shaft) of 109 mph. The 3/16 inch bore sized 1667 ran different that the later 1/4 inch bore version. The pond in Chicago was lopsided and there was no room to set up for the backup pass. I don't remember the year. I still have a couple of composite hulls, a twin and a 40 that Ron Logghe had layed up for us. Neither have been tuned up, only tested. The twin with Rossi 80's weighs 14 lbs and I don't remember the 40's weight. These hulls are super ridgid and for their day very light. But by that time 1994 Ron and I had started to really back off on the testing time and racing. We about embarrased ourselves at the twin race and Indy Unlimited and decided that if we couldn't do it right we wouldn't do it! We gave some thought to building some single 90 boats to run instead of the twins because they took a lot less time and testing to perform well. Sorry to be so long winded. I have always been addicted to adrenalin and it doesn't matter if its full size or R/C as long as it is fast & mechanical I enjoy it.

John

John;

It was good meeting you at the Winternats, wish I could have talked longer I was trying to sort a fuel problem on my 40 boat.

It was Lefeber who was the second one over 80 I have the actual Craphooter here in our shop As the story goes Marty helped him get that record. I was told how but am not as forthcoming with information as others, LOL I can tell you that that boat is HEAVY compared to todays outriggers and had to be quite a deal to go over 80 back then.

I remember Ron Walker and that big step ladder he stood on and the Black Rushin' twin. The Special Brew Racing Crew was quite the attraction at model boat races back then, (Bridge(s), Walker and Reis). What a sound!

You may also remember Mr G's hobbies in Marysville Michigan. One of the few hobby shops that had a LOT of boat stuff. The local guys in the Port Huron area who frequented that shop all used your props and ran Pro Power fuel.

Norm Doerr

 

[John Beardslee]

This topic has turned out to be one of the greatest threads ever....i had very low expectations for this thread as far as replies,, but its turned out phenominal.... To hear the information from people like charles,,rod,,and your self john,,,who have had ties in this hobby longer than ive been alive.... like rod said,, unfortunately most who would know this are on the other side... you fella's paved the road for us younger fella's and as always we are greatful for all the R&D and your insight on your experiences... john,, a picture would be great my friend,, i would love to see a famous beardslee texas cut prop...... i look foward to it....

BTW,,, just curious,, how is it that after so long you found intlwaters??? friends recommendation?? was it this particular topic that brought you back??

As always im so glad to see another rc boating great back into the scene....welcome back my friend...

Alden Cost

I fly heli's and planes with Maynard Troyer down here in FL during the winters, he told me about a boat race in Brandon last year so I had time to stop by. He thought Martin Davis would be there but he couldn't make it but I did see a lot of others. I had done wheels for Tom Foley years ago and he told me about Iternational Waters. I checked it out but didn't post anything but just had to add my 2 cents on the Texas Cut topic. When the folks in CA & TX were doing their Texas Cuts in the 70's, In the great lakes area I was doing the "elephant ear cut" to the 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.8 series octura props. In 1972 Ron Walker of our Detroit Wolverine Club (later Chicago) was the first R/C boat (IMPBA "E") over 60 mph, it happened at the Flint pond. Then just a few years later the guys in Indy used the E props to run over 80. I can't remember who was first Bill LeFeber or Marty Davis. Then in Chicago, Ron Walker had a one way pass with his geared twin rigger using a 1667 (3/16 shaft) of 109 mph. The 3/16 inch bore sized 1667 ran different that the later 1/4 inch bore version. The pond in Chicago was lopsided and there was no room to set up for the backup pass. I don't remember the year. I still have a couple of composite hulls, a twin and a 40 that Ron Logghe had layed up for us. Neither have been tuned up, only tested. The twin with Rossi 80's weighs 14 lbs and I don't remember the 40's weight. These hulls are super ridgid and for their day very light. But by that time 1994 Ron and I had started to really back off on the testing time and racing. We about embarrased ourselves at the twin race and Indy Unlimited and decided that if we couldn't do it right we wouldn't do it! We gave some thought to building some single 90 boats to run instead of the twins because they took a lot less time and testing to perform well. Sorry to be so long winded. I have always been addicted to adrenalin and it doesn't matter if its full size or R/C as long as it is fast & mechanical I enjoy it.

John

John;

It was good meeting you at the Winternats, wish I could have talked longer I was trying to sort a fuel problem on my 40 boat.

It was Lefeber who was the second one over 80 I have the actual Craphooter here in our shop As the story goes Marty helped him get that record. I was told how but am not as forthcoming with information as others, LOL I can tell you that that boat is HEAVY compared to todays outriggers and had to be quite a deal to go over 80 back then.

I remember Ron Walker and that big step ladder he stood on and the Black Rushin' twin. The Special Brew Racing Crew was quite the attraction at model boat races back then, (Bridge(s), Walker and Reis). What a sound!

You may also remember Mr G's hobbies in Marysville Michigan. One of the few hobby shops that had a LOT of boat stuff. The local guys in the Port Huron area who frequented that shop all used your props and ran Pro Power fuel.

Norm Doerr

Same here Norm,

The other guy who should be remembered as part of the Brew Crew was Charley Sweet, he was Tim's partner in the Crap Shooter and fellow racer. John Bridge and I also did a number of gun projects together, and after John Sr. passed, we helped John Jr. tune up the twin for a run at the mini gold cup which he won the first John Bridge Trophy. (Tim Reis built that trophy) Johnny gave me the plans for that twin and the tub and rear sponsons on my first twin (40's) were identical. I changed the sponsons and revised the construction so it came out alot lighter. I choose 46's because the props we had at the time were really working good on them and I had lots of those os motors, still have about 10 nib. Bob Findley of Indy had built one that was balistic and a guy they called posum (a truckdrive) from down south had one and we had some fun at the nats in oxford,mi, I think it was 83, soon after I stretched the design and installed the big blocks. I remember testing in oxford one time with Jerry Betke, I handed him my transmitter for the twin 46 after I had made a lap - he had never run a twin - I told to run it down the straight and when I said turn, close the throttle and give full right rudder and back to full throttle as fast as he could. The boat carved a perfect turn like always! Jerry's comment was "hell I always thought you were a good driver but now I find out it is the boat"!!!! I'll shoot you a p.m. to get some other info.

John

 

[Norm Doerr]

This topic has turned out to be one of the greatest threads ever....i had very low expectations for this thread as far as replies,, but its turned out phenominal.... To hear the information from people like charles,,rod,,and your self john,,,who have had ties in this hobby longer than ive been alive.... like rod said,, unfortunately most who would know this are on the other side... you fella's paved the road for us younger fella's and as always we are greatful for all the R&D and your insight on your experiences... john,, a picture would be great my friend,, i would love to see a famous beardslee texas cut prop...... i look foward to it....

BTW,,, just curious,, how is it that after so long you found intlwaters??? friends recommendation?? was it this particular topic that brought you back??

As always im so glad to see another rc boating great back into the scene....welcome back my friend...

Alden Cost

I fly heli's and planes with Maynard Troyer down here in FL during the winters, he told me about a boat race in Brandon last year so I had time to stop by. He thought Martin Davis would be there but he couldn't make it but I did see a lot of others. I had done wheels for Tom Foley years ago and he told me about Iternational Waters. I checked it out but didn't post anything but just had to add my 2 cents on the Texas Cut topic. When the folks in CA & TX were doing their Texas Cuts in the 70's, In the great lakes area I was doing the "elephant ear cut" to the 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.8 series octura props. In 1972 Ron Walker of our Detroit Wolverine Club (later Chicago) was the first R/C boat (IMPBA "E") over 60 mph, it happened at the Flint pond. Then just a few years later the guys in Indy used the E props to run over 80. I can't remember who was first Bill LeFeber or Marty Davis. Then in Chicago, Ron Walker had a one way pass with his geared twin rigger using a 1667 (3/16 shaft) of 109 mph. The 3/16 inch bore sized 1667 ran different that the later 1/4 inch bore version. The pond in Chicago was lopsided and there was no room to set up for the backup pass. I don't remember the year. I still have a couple of composite hulls, a twin and a 40 that Ron Logghe had layed up for us. Neither have been tuned up, only tested. The twin with Rossi 80's weighs 14 lbs and I don't remember the 40's weight. These hulls are super ridgid and for their day very light. But by that time 1994 Ron and I had started to really back off on the testing time and racing. We about embarrased ourselves at the twin race and Indy Unlimited and decided that if we couldn't do it right we wouldn't do it! We gave some thought to building some single 90 boats to run instead of the twins because they took a lot less time and testing to perform well. Sorry to be so long winded. I have always been addicted to adrenalin and it doesn't matter if its full size or R/C as long as it is fast & mechanical I enjoy it.

John

John;

It was good meeting you at the Winternats, wish I could have talked longer I was trying to sort a fuel problem on my 40 boat.

It was Lefeber who was the second one over 80 I have the actual Craphooter here in our shop As the story goes Marty helped him get that record. I was told how but am not as forthcoming with information as others, LOL I can tell you that that boat is HEAVY compared to todays outriggers and had to be quite a deal to go over 80 back then.

I remember Ron Walker and that big step ladder he stood on and the Black Rushin' twin. The Special Brew Racing Crew was quite the attraction at model boat races back then, (Bridge(s), Walker and Reis). What a sound!

You may also remember Mr G's hobbies in Marysville Michigan. One of the few hobby shops that had a LOT of boat stuff. The local guys in the Port Huron area who frequented that shop all used your props and ran Pro Power fuel.

Norm Doerr

Same here Norm,

The other guy who should be remembered as part of the Brew Crew was Charley Sweet, he was Tim's partner in the Crap Shooter and fellow racer. John Bridge and I also did a number of gun projects together, and after John Sr. passed, we helped John Jr. tune up the twin for a run at the mini gold cup which he won the first John Bridge Trophy. (Tim Reis built that trophy) Johnny gave me the plans for that twin and the tub and rear sponsons on my first twin (40's) were identical. I changed the sponsons and revised the construction so it came out alot lighter. I choose 46's because the props we had at the time were really working good on them and I had lots of those os motors, still have about 10 nib. Bob Findley of Indy had built one that was balistic and a guy they called posum (a truckdrive) from down south had one and we had some fun at the nats in oxford,mi, I think it was 83, soon after I stretched the design and installed the big blocks. I remember testing in oxford one time with Jerry Betke, I handed him my transmitter for the twin 46 after I had made a lap - he had never run a twin - I told to run it down the straight and when I said turn, close the throttle and give full right rudder and back to full throttle as fast as he could. The boat carved a perfect turn like always! Jerry's comment was "hell I always thought you were a good driver but now I find out it is the boat"!!!! I'll shoot you a p.m. to get some other info.

John

Wow I forgot Charlie Sweet..... I don't think I was old enough to drive a car and went along for a visit to thier shop in Ferndale, (I think).. They had a fridge with a beer spigot on the door. No one answered the front door, had to go to the back.. LOL.

 

[camaroboy383]

thanks for your reply john.. its greatly appriciated,, im glad to see you around here... and the stories of the past are priceless my friend.... i look foward to reading some more of your posts....

alden

 

[hugh hargett]

Would the texas cut be a way to get an FE to swing a larger prop while keeping the ampdraw lower than a standard s&b prop? I MIGHT WANT A TEXAS CUT PUT ON MY X457.

 

[John Beardslee]

Would the texas cut be a way to get an FE to swing a larger prop while keeping the ampdraw lower than a standard s&b prop? I MIGHT WANT A TEXAS CUT PUT ON MY X457.

Hello Hugh,

As usual it's not a clear cut answer, props for the most part are always some kind of compromise. Any cut that reduces blade area will help let the motor run up quicker, if you go to far the prop will cavitate. We used to control peak rpm with blade diameter and pitch. There is a certain amount of inherit lift the comes with pitch ie; the more the pitch the more the lift. Extra lift can be added also via kickers and cupping. We spend a lot of time doing things with props to compensate for problems in hull design. My approach always was to do as much with the hull design and use air to make the hull perform. I like to have the prop be as efficient as possible going forward and be as neutral as possible with lift. Lots of variables with these little toys, with flex shafts and adjustable struts, riggers with adjustable sponsons etc. The "Black Art" of props is mostly a lot of testing and refining the best combination for what you want to do. Most boats set up for oval racing won't have the highest straight away speed and most straight away hulls won't perform well on the oval or heat racing. Now a days man hulls are built for very specific purposes. Before I would recommend a custom cut prop I would encourage you to try as many different stock props that you can as well as slight changes in strut angles to really get a feel for how the hull you're working with responds to each. Hope this helps.

John

 

[Chris Wood]

Mr beardslee

never had the pleasure of meeting you.. I have a question for ya. Is there any good way to put LEADING EDGE PITCH in props. i look at them. i have tried to do it with pliers and they look like a twisted pretzel lol.. alot of people believe that the speed in which is obtained has to do with the amount of LEP.. what are your thoughts on this and is there any good way to achieve this

thanks

chris wood

 

[John Beardslee]

Mr beardslee

never had the pleasure of meeting you.. I have a question for ya. Is there any good way to put LEADING EDGE PITCH in props. i look at them. i have tried to do it with pliers and they look like a twisted pretzel lol.. alot of people believe that the speed in which is obtained has to do with the amount of LEP.. what are your thoughts on this and is there any good way to achieve this

thanks

chris wood

I used a piece of 2 inch square tubing about 2 inches long welded to a plate that is mounted on my bench. I also had many pieces of the tubing that I would coat the inside with mold release and then fill with bondo (slow mix) and I would coat the blades with mold release and using spacers under each side of a short piece of prop shaft, I would suspend one blade in the mix and as it starts to kick I would move sideways to gain a little clearance to be able to twist the blade out after the bondo was solid enough to hold the shape. I would then twist the blades using a long handled tool that was the same diameter as the prop shaft. I used pitch gages that I built myself using dial indicators and would qualify each blade. You can make bondo blocks for tips or any section down close to the hup by adjusting how far you enter the blade into the mix. A new block is needed for every prop style and for each depth you want. The bondo blocks would slide out of the mold tubing and I would write the prop size and wether it is for a tip or center etc area of the blade. If you get to close to the hub and twist it will likely crack the blade. If you try to just grab the nose or lead with a pliers or cresent wrench you can move it very little without destroying the design surface and the prop will probably jack the tail really quick and cavitate big time. What ever you do, the most important thing is to have each blade the same and have the nose/lead even and 180 degrees from each other. Sorry if I get carried away - my students used to say that "when they asked me what time is was I would tell them how to build a watch"!!!!!!

John

 

[camaroboy383]

absolutely awsome information john... thank you for sharing that... it is a very good way of going about that.....keep the good info coming sir....

thank you again for sharing your knowledge..

alden

 

[John Beardslee]

This is a sample an X472 Texas Cut circa: 1988 by Beardslee's Prop Service

Thanks, John

 

[hugh hargett]

looks great

 

[Rich Z]

Hey Charles P.

Haven't seen or spoke to you in an age! I gave away my E20T so long ago I can't remember when. I might have a use for one at this point as I have been piddling with Sport-20 props. I retired a year ago Jan, but don't have any trouble keeping busy. If you would like to part with some JG props give me a call (901-832-3064) or e-mail ([email protected]). I could use that as an excuse to zip out and see you in the next couple weeks. Boating here in Memphis has pretty well fallen apart - guess I'm just a diehard!

Rich

 

[hugh hargett]

Rich, no good racing in Arkansas? West Memphis?

 

[Rich Z]

Hugh, not that I know of that close. Lots of gas activity south the closest being Jackson, MS, but I've missed their last 2 events because of conflicts. With that said, I do like to travel and typically make 5-6 races a year mostly within 300-400mi range. I live 3 blocks away from a park with a great practice pond so life is good just not much local activity. I got started in this game in 1969 in SanDiego when I was in the Navy - haven't missed a season yet!

 

[bzubee]

John, yes we still have the same site in Huntsville and the city has been real good in helping keep the maintenancve up on the site and in support of model boating.

 

[John Beardslee]

John, yes we still have the same site in Huntsville and the city has been real good in helping keep the maintenancve up on the site and in support of model boating.

Hi Bill,

Great memories of the Nats there in the late 80's, Gene Taylor was Pres, Ramada Inn was headquarters. Never forget Gene showing how good he was with Parrots around the pool. Bob Landres' wife had brought a yellow amazon with them and Gene was showing off trying to get the bird to kiss him and the bird bit him on the nostral of his nose, and would let go right away, it almost cut a huge triangle out. Left one big bright red scab for the rest of the week! Great racing, hope to make back to Huntsville next year.

Thanks, John

 

[bzubee]

That sure would be great John. We also have at least 3 or 4 Records Trials each year . We run the 1/3 mile oval, 1/4 mile oval, and the SAW all at the same site. When I moved down here from St. Louis I couldn't believe what a great site Huntsville has and how much support the City of Huntsville provided. Best move I ever made.

 

[hugh hargett]