Sport 20

[Don Ferrette]

In plane english, the rigger comunity got the vote. The strut can be mounted on the ransom just like the outrigger hulls. Yes I did vote, so I can write about this outcome. When I got into this hobby, it was because of the look of the hydroplane design. The sport hydro class in my opinion was ideal for someone who liked the hull but didn't want to start out with 1/8th scale. Now with this vote, the sport 20 class will be nothing more than a modified 20 rigger hull.

Yup, a disappointing outcome in my opinion. Now this will start up all the crap about strut placement on sport 40's again. And yes I voted as well.

 

[Brian Blazer]

Good deal. I like the outcome. I do not believe it will change the look of the hulls since there are rules governing the designs.

Gas sport hydro has the struts on the transom with no "modified riggers"

The current real boats all have the struts on the transom. The older conventionals had the struts under the boat.

Change is sometimes good.

Yes I did vote.

Brian

 

[ken stang]

I am with you Don. Struts should be under boat. Bill Zuber can we see the results of the votes. Yes I did vote. KEN

 

[piper_chuck]

It's a pity that once again IMPBA has chosen to implement inconsistant rules across the classes. Sport or scale hydros look silly with 4 inches of hardware hanging off the back. It's also unfortunate because the decision creates still more differences between IMPBA and NAMBA classes. And yes, I did vote.

 

[bzubee]

The results will be in the December issue of the Roostertail! IT was a very close vote and I had to wait until D2 voted since the total was 6 to 7 prior to District 2 voting and the gas Director abstained. When I get back to work next week I will be sure John puts the exact voting results in the Roostertail for all to see.

 

[Don Ferrette]

........... It's also unfortunate because the decision creates still more differences between IMPBA and NAMBA classes.

BINGO!!! Once again instead of trying to bring the boating community closer together we drive a wedge between.............

 

[piper_chuck]

........... It's also unfortunate because the decision creates still more differences between IMPBA and NAMBA classes.

BINGO!!! Once again instead of trying to bring the boating community closer together we drive a wedge between.............

What I don't understand is why an entirely different set of rules needed to be written to approve what should have just been a smaller version of Sport 40. This is one case where NAMBA does a much better job of writing the rules, one set for the category and then a small section outlining the size differences for each class.

 

[Joe_Knesek]

Well I voted for the rule change and I'm also building my first Sport boat of any kind after 19 years of racing. If it brings more interest to the class I do not see how it damages the class. Further, how many of you who are against the rule made sure other racers in your area voted? Tony did a good job getting the word out announcing it at every race and he even accepted e-mail votes. Still very few boaters voted. The fact is we do not represent our hobby well in this regard.

With that said, I think that one reason the Sport classes suffer is because the rules are too restrictive. As a society, Americans do not care to be micromanaged so what do you think a new boater does when they start reading the Sport class rules? They get the impression that they are going to be under a microscope so they turn to a class that is not so restrictive.

If you want another scale class, start up a 1/16th scale class but be liberal with the Sport classes.

 

[P THOMAS]

[What I don't understand is why an entirely different set of rules needed to be written to approve what should have just been a smaller version of Sport 40. This is one case where NAMBA does a much better job of writing the rules, one set for the category and then a small section outlining the size differences for each class.

Yes that was the original deal, just add a line for engine and hull size, but the tech director and the board of directors had to have a whole new page for sport 20 hydro.

PHIL T

 

[bzubee]

Joe called it some districts had no ballots returned others had very few returned for the most part members really do not care they just want to race and the voting shows that. The only way you get any kind of dwecent return of ballots is to make cpoies and hand them out a the races and request they fill them out prior to the race starting. Othe rwise you get a poor turn out as usual. This time allot of Directors did accept e-mailed ballots and it helped a little bit but still not enough to show a real interest.

Well I voted for the rule change and I'm also building my first Sport boat of any kind after 19 years of racing. If it brings more interest to the class I do not see how it damages the class. Further, how many of you who are against the rule made sure other racers in your area voted? Tony did a good job getting the word out announcing it at every race and he even accepted e-mail votes. Still very few boaters voted. The fact is we do not represent our hobby well in this regard.

With that said, I think that one reason the Sport classes suffer is because the rules are too restrictive. As a society, Americans do not care to be micromanaged so what do you think a new boater does when they start reading the Sport class rules? They get the impression that they are going to be under a microscope so they turn to a class that is not so restrictive.

If you want another scale class, start up a 1/16th scale class but be liberal with the Sport classes.

 

[Jerry Dunlap]

I have a Sport 20 with the strut inside the hull. I have a .18 pull start Mini Bud type sport hydro with the strut mounted to the transom. Adjusting the strut angle and depth on my Sport 20 is a pain. Adjusting the strut angle and depth with the transom mounted strut is much easier. It is also much easier to install a transom mounted strut. I don't see anything wrong with making things easier.

I personally do not see how mounting the strut on the transom is going to greatly impact the scale appearence of a Sport Hydro. When the boat is running on the water it becomes a non-issue since you don't see the strut.

Just my opinions.

JD

 

[brandonclan]

I have a Sport 20 with the strut inside the hull. I have a .18 pull start Mini Bud type sport hydro with the strut mounted to the transom. Adjusting the strut angle and depth on my Sport 20 is a pain. Adjusting the strut angle and depth with the transom mounted strut is much easier. It is also much easier to install a transom mounted strut. I don't see anything wrong with making things easier.

I personally do not see how mounting the strut on the transom is going to greatly impact the scale appearence of a Sport Hydro. When the boat is running on the water it becomes a non-issue since you don't see the strut.

Just my opinions.

JD

So Jerry,

Will you now move the strut on your sport 20 to the transom?

:huh:

Brian B.

"The current real boats all have the struts on the transom. The older conventionals had the struts under the boat."

Are we talking the current unlimiteds Brian? Check this link to a few pics and you will see that the struts are mounted through the hull and only the rudders are hung on the transom. Isn't this what was used as the guidelines for the sportsman 40 class? The object is to be uniform in the classes/resemble real boats. The sport 20 class should have stayed as true to the sport 40 class as it could. Sport 40 is a very popular class in our area(dist.2) Why Mess up a good thing? I am sure it is easier to adjust....it just does not fit the class. My 2c

Dan

http://www.abrahydroplanes.com/index.cfm?p...y-photos-page-2

 

[Paul Pachmayer]

Hey Guys,

I'm glad the vote went the way it did. I race FE boats and we can hang the strut off the transom, makes life much easier and doesn't take away from the "look" of the boat. I didn't vote because I felt it should be desided by the guys who actually race the class. I may now build a sport 20 boat because of this ruling, the only thing different from running a fe boat is the power plant.

BINGO!!! Once again instead of trying to bring the boating community closer together we drive a wedge between.............

I don't buy that at all. The hull definitions between IMPBA and NAMBA are miles apart. I run sport hydros in NAMBA that would get DQed in IMPBA, some are modeled after UL's like the Pocket Mechanic and baby Bud.

Paul.

 

[Don Ferrette]

With that said, I think that one reason the Sport classes suffer is because the rules are too restrictive.

WHAT?? You beter re-think that one as sport 40 is one of, if not the biggest of IMPBA nitro classes currently out there. While there may be "pocket areas" that the class is thin (like my dist. #12) it still has a HUGE turn out at big events like the Internats. Suffered? Nice try, wrong answer.

 

[P THOMAS]

Brian B.

"The current real boats all have the struts on the transom. The older conventionals had the struts under the boat."

Are we talking the current unlimiteds Brian? Check this link to a few pics and you will see that the struts are mounted through the hull and only the rudders are hung on the transom. Isn't this what was used as the guidelines for the sportsman 40 class? The object is to be uniform in the classes/resemble real boats. The sport 20 class should have stayed as true to the sport 40 class as it could. Sport 40 is a very popular class in our area(dist.2) Why Mess up a good thing? I am sure it is easier to adjust....it just does not fit the class. My 2c

Dan

Dan, FYI

The unlimiteds have their struts mounted to the bottom and extend out. The Unlimited Light boats have transom mounted strut brackets. here is a picture of the UL40

this is the U8 Llumar

Phil T

 

[Joe_Knesek]

Brian B.

"The current real boats all have the struts on the transom. The older conventionals had the struts under the boat."

Are we talking the current unlimiteds Brian? Check this link to a few pics and you will see that the struts are mounted through the hull and only the rudders are hung on the transom. Isn't this what was used as the guidelines for the sportsman 40 class? The object is to be uniform in the classes/resemble real boats. The sport 20 class should have stayed as true to the sport 40 class as it could. Sport 40 is a very popular class in our area(dist.2) Why Mess up a good thing? I am sure it is easier to adjust....it just does not fit the class. My 2c

Dan

Dan, FYI

The unlimiteds have their struts mounted to the bottom and extend out. The Unlimited Light boats have transom mounted strut brackets. here is a picture of the UL40

this is the U8 Llumar

Phil T

So it's only fitting that our version of Unlimited Lights (Sport 20) has the strut on the transom!

 

[dwb2620]

Brian B.

"The current real boats all have the struts on the transom. The older conventionals had the struts under the boat."

Are we talking the current unlimiteds Brian? Check this link to a few pics and you will see that the struts are mounted through the hull and only the rudders are hung on the transom. Isn't this what was used as the guidelines for the sportsman 40 class? The object is to be uniform in the classes/resemble real boats. The sport 20 class should have stayed as true to the sport 40 class as it could. Sport 40 is a very popular class in our area(dist.2) Why Mess up a good thing? I am sure it is easier to adjust....it just does not fit the class. My 2c

Dan

Dan, FYI

The unlimiteds have their struts mounted to the bottom and extend out. The Unlimited Light boats have transom mounted strut brackets. here is a picture of the UL40

this is the U8 Llumar

Phil T

So it's only fitting that our version of Unlimited Lights (Sport 20) has the strut on the transom!

Hmmm......looks like some of those REAL boats would be illegal (IMPBA& NAMBA) due to their strut placement. How dare them to extend the prop out so far! How dare them to mount the strut off of the transom! Oh my gosh, They should be disqualified! I am going to write a Strongly worded letter to ABRA

to have them change their rules to match ours! angry: :angry:

David

P.S. I race Sport 40 and I HATE the rule about mounting the strut through the bottom of the hull. angry: :angry:

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[SayMikey]

Brian B.

"The current real boats all have the struts on the transom. The older conventionals had the struts under the boat."

Are we talking the current unlimiteds Brian? Check this link to a few pics and you will see that the struts are mounted through the hull and only the rudders are hung on the transom. Isn't this what was used as the guidelines for the sportsman 40 class? The object is to be uniform in the classes/resemble real boats. The sport 20 class should have stayed as true to the sport 40 class as it could. Sport 40 is a very popular class in our area(dist.2) Why Mess up a good thing? I am sure it is easier to adjust....it just does not fit the class. My 2c

Dan

Dan, FYI

The unlimiteds have their struts mounted to the bottom and extend out. The Unlimited Light boats have transom mounted strut brackets. here is a picture of the UL40

this is the U8 Llumar

Phil T

So it's only fitting that our version of Unlimited Lights (Sport 20) has the strut on the transom!

Hmmm......looks like some of those REAL boats would be illegal (IMPBA& NAMBA) due to their strut placement. How dare them to extend the prop out so far! How dare them to mount the strut off of the transom! Oh my gosh, They should be disqualified! I am going to write a Strongly worded letter to ABRA

to have them change their rules to match ours! angry: :angry:

David

P.S. I race Sport 40 and I HATE the rule about mounting the strut through the bottom of the hull. angry: :angry:

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You guys act like you adjust your strut as much as your needle,after you get it right <strut you dont touch it very often......Mike

 

[Paul Pachmayer]

Hey Mike,

You guys act like you adjust your strut as much as your needle,after you get it right <strut you dont touch it very often.

If it where easier to adjust you may find yourself using that strut adjustment more often. I know I make changes to mine depending on the water. I'm used to doing this and have notes on depth and angle. To a nitro boater I would think that would be welcomed because your CG adjustments aren't as easy as ours (FE guys) are.

Paul.

 

[P THOMAS]

Seems like most of the worry is about scale boats not scale enough and looking like sport boats, and sport boats should look more like scale boats. :lol:

Please leave all your thoughts about scale boats to the scale and let the sport boats do their thing, not reguired to be scale looking, but built as you like it to look.

Impba strut rules for the scale allow the strut to be set as the real boat had been setup, many misinformed people dont know what that rule, so you just have to show the pictures to them.

Mikey is right about the adjustments once it is right set it and forget it.