New N-1 Mono length rules?

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Paul Pachmayer

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Hey Guys,

I hear there's already a new set of proposed rules being drafted that has a 24" minimum hull length and that the hulls MUST be made of plastic. When I read the fax sent to me I couldn't belive it, the stupid 19T thing hasn't even passed yet and some people want to go 27T and a new length/material rule!

You guys are out of control, get a grip.

Paul.
 
Paul Pachmayer said:
I hear there's already a new set of proposed rules being drafted that has a 24" minimum hull length and that the hulls MUST be made of plastic.
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You guys are just trying to get me going again, aren't you???!!! Aren't You??? :blink:
 
Paul Pachmayer said:
Hey Guys,
I hear there's already a new set of proposed rules being drafted that has a 24" minimum hull length and that the hulls MUST be made of plastic.  When I read the fax sent to me I couldn't belive it, the stupid 19T thing hasn't even passed yet and some people want to go 27T and a new length/material rule! 

You guys are out of control, get a grip.

Paul.

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Not it Batavia!

This year we will have a 19t and 27t mono classes.

If you got wood, bring it. Just no steps though unless you are running N M-Course (S)(E).

Jeff
 
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Hey Guys,
I hear there's already a new set of proposed rules being drafted that has a 24" minimum hull length and that the hulls MUST be made of plastic. When I read the fax sent to me I couldn't belive it, the stupid 19T thing hasn't even passed yet and some people want to go 27T and a new length/material rule!

You guys are out of control, get a grip.

Paul.
umm ok who is trying to pass that one?
 
Paul Pachmayer said:
I hear there's already a new set of proposed rules being drafted that has a 24" minimum hull length and that the hulls MUST be made of plastic. 
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OK, I'll bite on this one. Paul, are you pulling our chain?

If you are, it was easy to get sucked in given the average IQ of us FE racers.
 
Paul Pachmayer said:
Hey Guys,
I hear there's already a new set of proposed rules being drafted that has a 24" minimum hull length and that the hulls MUST be made of plastic.  When I read the fax sent to me I couldn't belive it, the stupid 19T thing hasn't even passed yet and some people want to go 27T and a new length/material rule! 

You guys are out of control, get a grip.

Paul.

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Paul,

Looking from the outside in what is the intent of this class? If its braging rights for the fast guys leave the class as is... If the body feels this is the place for nubies to enter.. i would be OK with 27 plastic...

Not sure i understand all the details however..

Grim
 
Kevin Whitehead said:
I think the only thing plastic here is the spoon that Paul is stirring this pot with! :)
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Kevin,

I hope you are right... I'd hate to have to get another N1 Mono thread going! :blink:

:D
 
Kevin Whitehead said:
I think the only thing plastic here is the spoon that Paul is stirring this pot with! :)
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I think the plastic plate in Pauls head shifted.... :huh:
 
oh great...all of our N1 boats are under 24" arent there better ways to "improve" fe...I mean why do the people who want to change this and the 27t to 19t just have to change something just for the sake of it....if we go from n-1 27t to 19t its not n-1 anymory! it's N2.....
 
porschefan911 said:
oh great...all of our N1 boats are under 24" arent there better ways to "improve" fe...I mean why do the people who want to change this and the 27t to 19t just have to change something just for the sake of it....if we go from n-1 27t to 19t its not n-1 anymory! it's N2.....
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You can help keep N1 the way it is by VOTING against this change (if you are a NAMBA member...) You should have already received your ballot...
 
to tell the truth all I know about NAMBA is that they handle all the racing rules. My dad and I are not NAMBA members. I wish that one of these days people would realize that there is no point in going through all these rules and just having FUN...building and runnig boats like li-po riggers
 
porschefan911 said:
to tell the truth all I know about NAMBA is that they handle all the racing rules. My dad and I are not NAMBA members. I wish that one of these days people would realize that there is no point in going through all these rules and just having FUN...building and runnig boats like li-po riggers
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I got my ballots and they are already marked and ready to mail.I voted no on 19 turn.Let the newbies change the class.The MORE EXPERIENCED guys should change things for what they think is best for the new modeler. Oh and after reading the last few main posts on here and the red page,I am almost emberaced to be an FE dude.People posting about this stuff should realy pay a little more attention to the impact what the say,Might have on this hobby
 
hey guy nobody is try to add a min length to N1 period.. its a joke..

don't sweat it
 
Dennis Whitt said:
The MORE EXPERIENCED guys should change things for what they think is best for the new modeler.
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Dennis, this is just a friendly conversation so don't fly off the handle.

Most of the current rulebook was written years ago by racers who had no experience at the time. Everything was new.

When exactly does one qualify to be "MORE EXPERIENCED"? What is a new modeler?

I think the only ones who agree with your statement are a few of the racers who fit your subjective qualification of "MORE EXPERIENCED".

Maybe we should start a system of identifying experience by handing out certifications.

CN = Certified Newbie Modeler

CIM = Certified Intermeditate Modeler

CSEM = Certified Some Experience Modeler

DWMEM = Certified by a More Experienced Modeler to be Invited to Join the Elite Group of More Experienced Modelers.

We're adults, we're growing successful programs, we SEE what works for us and we want to share it.

The process of proposing change has been used to see how many agree with some ideas through a national vote.

I can live with the results and hope you can too.
 
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porschefan911 said:
to tell the truth all I know about NAMBA is that they handle all the racing rules. My dad and I are not NAMBA members. I wish that one of these days people would realize that there is no point in going through all these rules and just having FUN...building and runnig boats like li-po riggers
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Just to make sure you are clear with how rules are handled:

NAMBA does not handle all the racing rules.

NAMBA only handles the rules at NAMBA sanctioned races.

IMPBA handles the rules at IMPBA sanctioned races.

APBA handles the rules at APBA sanctioned races.

There are also races that set up their own set of rules, such as the Batavia electric race.

So, which organization handles the rules in your area depends on your local club.

KW
 
porschefan911 said:
to tell the truth all I know about NAMBA is that they handle all the racing rules. My dad and I are not NAMBA members. I wish that one of these days people would realize that there is no point in going through all these rules and just having FUN...building and runnig boats like li-po riggers
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In addition to what KW said.

What gets lost in the translations between rules and venues is the whole hobby aspect, which is supposed to be fun. You should have a blast building and running riggers, which is what I gather you run. There are many guys out there who are not hardcore or are members to a specific organization but do race as well as have fun running in a Fun Run group type outing. If you want to race Li-po not many clubs have classes open for those cells but in the near future it will change.

Many of the classes that are currently ran in the US are pretty close. There might be different restrictions, penalties, race durations, etc... Usually if you are running 6, 8 or 12 cells within a rigger, it is not too difficult to adapt from one club to another and their system.

There are quite a few clubs out there that choose to go their own way and steer clear of the National Organizations, like Batavia has. This usually happens due to a breakdown in rules and/or support for the individual clubs. This thread shows how a "simple rule change" can break down and even divide all levels of racers into two or more different parties. This thread is only a small puddle compared to the other threads I have seen on this one topic that even present myths as facts to justify positions.

The sad thing is there will never be one "National" organization due to how "perceived power" can skew peoples viewpoints forcing them to thump their chest because they "know" what is better for everybody else. The logical conclusion to this thread would be to have a N Open, N-1 19t and N-2 27t. Come big race just choose not to offer N-2 instead of totally replacing it. Just sums up my position why I like running and racing in Batavia and not getting involved with the hobby organized politics. No stress by me, LOL!

Your best best is to find or start a club that suits your needs and keeps you having fun with your friends. If you are ever in the area, come on and check Batavia out, we are a friendly and helpful group that offer many FunRuns.

Jeff
 
Hi Jeff,

Vova and his Dad run at MMM here in Toronto. MMM is an independent club which races under a mix of IMPBA and Namba rules and as you know has a large scale and sail membership with their own insurance. I believe that Vova's comments spilled over from our club Forum which has been discussing these proposed rule changes.

In the past 15 years MMM has tried to offer classes which parallel the sanctioning bodies as well as run their own classes. Typical examples of such innovation have been "M" Course Enduro featuring the first "ECO" style hulls (introduced by Marek), and P-Spec racing featuring 700BB style motors fo almost 10 years now. You also know we ran an "Internats" format FE race a few years back with an IMPBA sanction for US-1.

Our Forum has openly discussed the proposed rule changes to N1 mono motors, sport hydro rules and most recently the measurement proposal before Namba membership. We have three Namba members, and this year, probably 4 or 5 IMPBA members who join these organizations to race regionally and participate at this years Namba Nats in Michigan.

The most popular classes at our club are N1 mono/crackerbox, LSH, P-Spec, P Sport, Q mono/offshore. We offer all the other classes on a rotating shedule throughout the season, and host the Canadian Nats in Sept. We have a public forum on our website hosted by LOU and have developed close ties with members from MMEU and the entire CAFE group.

Vova is an exceptional young man, who joined us last season and has become a valueable member of our racing club. His frustration is shared by many and I know his father Ed will keep him grounded with respect to the realities of organizations.

Though the group may seem fractious (FE in general), when everyone gets together to race, the past discussions and debate are forgotten. FE racers are passionate about their chosen sport/hobby but none the less are great people to have fun with.

Vova runs a scratch built mono of his and his fathers design, is building an El Lobo wood kit, and has a zig zag. They are also building their own hardware from scratch as both Vova and his Dad have exceptional lathe and no doubt milling skills...watch for this young guy.

Hope to see you soon Jeff.

Steve
 
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