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Hi Marty Davis

I just wanted to say “Welcome to the “Other Board” things are pretty “loose” over here but I think you’ll find there’s a bunch of good folks, and good info being shared :)

Good boating,

KB (just back from Florida)
 
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"Welcome Marty"

For those of you who don't know Marty,except as the other forum guy, I can tell you that he is one super nice guy who in the past has helped many a new boater, like myself, achieve enjoyment and success in this sport. I have personally seen him watch a competitors boat, ask him to take his prop off, walk over to a trailer ball on one of the cars, reshape it with a small hammer and to the delight of the boat owner, improve greatly on the performance of his boat. Marty is second to none in his knowledge of this sport. He brought Crapshooter to predominance in RC boats before Stu Bar took over and kept the ball rolling.

Yes, he may seem a little dry on his forum but rules are rules and when he says use your full name, thats the rules! I've been a member of RCboats for some time now and while most of it is just too technical for me to grasp it is a great place to check in on.

Marty, I hope you can check in with us from time to time and share your knowledge over here. How about Ackerman and Norm? I don't know BC so I will not comment. :lol:

Hope to talk to you soon,

Don ;)

PS ( Guys, it's been fun and funny but I think it's time to bury the hatchet!)
 
"Guys, it's been fun and funny but I think it's time to bury the hatchet!"

All I asked for, & rightfully so, was a public apology for a certain individual's outlandish behavior. Never got it so hence no more posts & paticipation from me (and until that happens the "hatchet" will stay honed & ready if needed). I do check the "for sale" pages over there from time to time. Never had any issues with Marty.................. B)
 
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Well, I was just sitting here guessing who would be the first person to reply.

"I'm A WINNER" :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Don Templeton said:
Well, I was just sitting here guessing who would be the first person to reply.
                      "I'm A WINNER"  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

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Only cause I'm bored & can't be at the pond 'cause I'm on call this weekend....... :(

....... and lacking some parts for a test session for record trials. Would have gotten someone to cover for me otherwise... :p
 
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Don, don't hold your breath! You'll probably get your public apology about the same time John Kerry gives one to the swift boat veterans.

Don :rolleyes:
 
Don Templeton said:
Don, don't hold your breath! You'll probably get your public apology about the same time John Kerry gives one to the swift boat veterans.
Don  :rolleyes:

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ROFLMAO!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Guys,

I'll start out by giving a big WELCOME to Marty.

On to the business at hand..........

I've only actually met Marty on two occasions but I've gotten to know him about as well as a person can via E-Mail's and through the listbot. He is just about as nice a guy as anyone has a right to know. As has been stated, he was (and still is, for that matter) always willing to give advice on set-up and driving technique, as well as hands-on help with ANYONE's boat, even if he was racing them in the very next heat. Hands down, he has forgotten more about model boats than half the members of this forum (or the other one......) combined. There is nobody who know more about props than Marty Davis. Give him fifteen seconds with your prop and you will be running faster.

As for the Listbot:

It is Marty's to run as he see's fit. He makes the rules, he enforces them and he calls judgement against the infractions of those rules. It is because of these rules that I still have the Listbot as my home page. I NEVER see a topic of substance here that isn't on the Listbot as well. I come here when I am done reading all the new posts over there. Marty always wanted the listbot to be a forum of knowledge, NOT just a gathering place. In my opinion, there is far too much "gabbing" in the "Technical" forum on this board. Not that gabbing is a bad thing, just that there is a time and a place. If Marty see's something he feels is not appropriate, he removes it, or moves it to where it belongs.You will never see a thread about the latest hurricane disaster in Marty's "Technical" forum. Brian created the "B.S." forum for this sort of blathering.

The "NAMES" issue is another point. I like the fact that on the Listbot, you know who you are talking to. This is one of the things I do not like about this forum. To this end, I have dropped my "commercial" name and started using my full name. Several others on here already use their full name. I don't see a reason to conceal who you are.

Speaking of Brian........

Marty placed Brian Callahan in the position of one of the administrators for a reason. This would probably be because he knows more about two stroke engines than just about anyone else on the planet. Yamaha thought so, and, as I understand it, they saw to it he got his PhD. Brian can lose ANYONE in technical jargon in twenty words or less, and only be scratching the surface of his knowledge of the topic of discussion.

Brian felt the need to close a particular thread on the Listbot because it had wandered FAR off course. While I did not initially turn the wheel, I am at least partially responsible for HOW far off course it had gotten. If Marty and Brian had not been "away from thier post" during the time of this thread, they would have most likely closed it far sooner than it was. This is when several people made personal attacks against Brian for his actions. In my opinion, this was the first "toe-stomping", as these individuals were in the wrong, NOT Brian. Then it he the fan. By the time all the feathers fell, several people had left the Listbot, and the rest of us were just confused as to why people had gotten so bent out of shape.

BTW, Tom M. has been know to close topics down on occasion. One of which I would have dearly loved to have gotten in on at least one more time. I didn't go stomping off like a five year old girl (I have one of these, I know what it looks like.......)

I think there are some who need to remember their place, and that would be a GUEST in someone elses establisment. Live by the rules in place. If you step on someone's toes, be prepared to get pushed off of them and be adult enough to accept the judgement passed.

All this being said, I feel there is nothing wrong with either forum. Both serve the purpose they were set up for. There are just times when you're ready for serious discussion, and other times when you just want to flap your gums and hear gums being flapped.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components
 
Hi Brad,

Man you guys that type in a whole page must have friskier fingers than me,

I would take a hour just to correct spelling :lol:

I will say this about Marty, the times I Emailed him with questions he was very quick with answers and always open to more if needed, Same with Norm and John A. In fact John took the time to answer me just as he arrived back home to a hurricane!!!! :D

The post that I was really following was Andys bout the pipe stiffness and ringing, Old vs. New, Still dont think we got a answer to that one yet, Hey Andy????? ;)

In as much as the forums content we try to keep the info flowing here and have fun in tha process,

Different strokes for different folks I guess,

Gene :D
 
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"If Marty and Brian had not been "away from thier post" during the time of this thread, they would have most likely closed it far sooner than it was. This is when several people made personal attacks against Brian for his actions. In my opinion, this was the first "toe-stomping", as these individuals were in the wrong, NOT Brian."

Sorry Brad, that's not quite how it was. BC was on line at the time when both my & Andy's posts went up. All I suggested was that "as a moderator one should remain neutral" after he felt it his "duty" to decide what was B.S. & ALOT of things he started calling B.S. & moving and/or deleting wasn't. He told me in his next post to "piss off" & locked me out so I could not reply. He then "edited" Andy's post (I & a few others did see the original post as we were on-line when Andy posted it) to make it appear that Andy was attacking him when in reality all Andy's original post did was quote BC's previous post, but that one "mysteriously" disappeared. He then locked Andy out. Too bad many didn't get to see that so more would know the truth. The barrage of "toe stomping" posts from others after that was the "fallout" which he really brought on himself by his actions. Andy called me that weekend on the phone & we both decided that it was time for a change in scenery. If you prefer your forum a little on the dry side that's all fine, but many of us have found the more "robust" atmosphere here on I/W far more enjoyable. B)

Like I said before, I have no issues with Marty & yes he does know quite a bit & has helped alot of boaters, myself included. :)

cheers!
 
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"The post that I was really following was Andys bout the pipe stiffness and ringing, Old vs. New, Still dont think we got a answer to that one yet, Hey Andy?????"

Ah yes just one of the better threads that BC decided was B.S............. <_<
 
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Don yea I was following that one daily cause I had three pipes ( with big age differences ) at the time, and was really waiting for the results of Andys test and POOF the thred was over.

Gene :D
 
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Don,

I remember the pipe thread, but my memory is a bit fuzzy about it's outcome. I can't even remember how the thread I was referencing was started about, but it got steered onto the topic of offset wrist pins. This is the one that I remember Brian closing out. In my opinion, Andy drastically overreacted by lashing out at Brian. What Andy SHOULD have done instead, was to start another topic entitled "Offset Wrist Pins" and continue the discussion where it left off. I tried to do this, but by that time, everybody was so pre-occupied by the drama that it got lost. What it all boils down to is that if a topic wandered off topic, it was terminated. Brian explained the reasoning for this, and it made perfect sense. Some people were too busy whining and may have missed this so I'll elaborate. When a topic is started it is given a title. Later on down the road, the discussion wanders off course and thus has nothing to do with the topic. When this happens, it is difficult to go back through and find items of past discussion, which people do on a fairly regular occurence. The long and the short of it is that the administrators want the discussions to stay on topic and they do what they can to meet that end.

Over the following days, I had several E-Mail rallies with Marty. He indicated to me that he was not empowered to edit other members' posts, not did Brian. The only thing they could do was to delete them. (I already knew this as he'd deleted a number of my posts.) Even if they could, why would they? To what end would it serve? He hadn't done anything that needed covered up. He had made a decision for what he felt was in the best interest of the forum as a whole and that SHOULD have been the end of it. Start a new thread if you want to continue the discussion.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I'm not really picking sides, as I have never even MET Brian. I have noticed, Don, that you are the catalyst in some of the most heated debates on either of the forums. Sometimes we are in agreement, sometimes we butt heads. I am not saying you are right or wrong, in any particular instance, just making an observation. Most times, I enjoy the banter, either way.

BTW, I'm not suggesting that the members of this forum are any less knowledgable that those of the Listbot. I just think that most people clear thier throat and straighten their cumberbun before logging onto the Listbot, and the atmosphere is much less controlled here. I guess what Gene said is true, different strokes and all.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components
 
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Brad Christy said:
Don,
I remember the pipe thread, but my memory is a bit fuzzy about it's outcome. I can't even remember how the thread I was referencing was started about, but it got steered onto the topic of offset wrist pins. This is the one that I remember Brian closing out. In my opinion, Andy drastically overreacted by lashing out at Brian. What Andy SHOULD have done instead, was to start another topic entitled "Offset Wrist Pins" and continue the discussion where it left off. I tried to do this, but  by that time, everybody was so pre-occupied by the drama that it got lost. What it all boils down to is that if a topic wandered off topic, it was terminated. Brian explained the reasoning for this, and it made perfect sense. Some people were too busy whining and may have missed this so I'll elaborate. When a topic is started it is given a title. Later on down the road, the discussion wanders off course and thus has nothing to do with the topic. When this happens, it is difficult to go back through and find items of past discussion, which people do on a fairly regular occurence. The long and the short of it is that the administrators want the discussions to stay on topic and they do what they can to meet that end.

Over the following days, I had several E-Mail rallies with Marty. He indicated to me that he was not empowered to edit other members' posts, not did Brian. The only thing they could do was to delete them. (I already knew this as he'd deleted a number of my posts.) Even if they could, why would they? To what end would it serve? He hadn't done anything that needed covered up. He had made a decision for what he felt was in the best interest of the forum as a whole and that SHOULD have been the end of it. Start a new thread if you want to continue the discussion.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I'm not really picking sides, as I have never even MET Brian. I have noticed, Don, that you are the catalyst in some of the most heated debates on either of the forums. Sometimes we are in agreement, sometimes we butt heads. I am not saying you are right or wrong, in any particular instance, just making an observation. Most times, I enjoy the banter, either way.

BTW, I'm not suggesting that the members of this forum are any less knowledgable that those of the Listbot. I just think that most people clear thier throat and straighten their cumberbun before logging onto the Listbot, and the atmosphere is much less controlled here. I guess what Gene said is true, different strokes and all.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components

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Humm what a boring and useless topic, even if it is read by Marty I very seriously doubt that he will ever respond to it or for that matter make a post on IW! As a matter of fact he has not been here since he first signed on 3 days ago.

This is IW lets keep it that way, please? :D
 
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Nothing like welcoming a new member like kicking them in the teeth. None of us lead a life of rightiousness on this site so I don't see why the past should be revisited.
 
Tunnelbill said:
Very Well Said Ron, :D   :D   :D I second that!!!!  It is about having FUN........ :eek:
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AGREED!!! Let's get back to the fun! :D

Besides, do we even know if it was really Marty, or just someone chummin' the water. :p
 
Don,

I thought of that when I first saw the original post. Some people are just sick that way.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components
 
RaceCraftBearings said:
Humm  what a boring and useless topic, even if it is read by Marty I very seriously doubt that he will ever respond to it or for that matter make a post on IW! As a matter of fact he has not been here since he first signed on 3 days ago.
This is IW lets keep it that way, please?  :D

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Ron:

Yes, I probably will reply.

I appreciate some of the very generous kind words that I read on this thread.

Many of you that know me, know that I seldom have been known as Mr Personality or one with a lot of "tact". I am the kind of guy who tends to skip the BS and cut to the chase.

The Listbot, with it's 1800 or so members was something that I started for one reason. I wanted to give somthing back to the hobby that had been so consuming and good for me for 25+ years. It is no easy chore to keep 1800 model boaters (most of which are very competitive) in any sort of reasonable order. I decided from the start that I wanted to be able to know who I was talking to - the reason for the full name requirement. The Listbot served as a valuable mechanism to distribute information and experiences. It still does.

The RCboat.com website was even more specific and was set up for 2 reasons ONLY. It was set up to efficiently organize my experiences and in many instances, my mistakes (I am one that learns better from mistakes than from inovation). The second reason was in order to make the Engine Analysis Software available. The Late Tom Grannis and I developed the software for our own use and it was such a valuable tool, that we decided that it MUST be made available to everyone.

The Web Hosting company that I use costs me $200 per month and has for MANY years. Do I make $200 a month from the Software - HECK NO. Not even close. I decided long ago to do this for the hobby as some sort of payback for all the great years of enjoyment.

As for the few people who have had trouble with me over Listbot Etique, I can say that there have not been a lot. I have always used the approach that if I have a problem, I dispatch it quickly and move on. I used to get all upset and get in a P'ing Match" with people. I have long ago stopped doing that. It made me HATE the forum and the interchange.

As many of you know, I decided a while back to retire from boating. Had nothing to do with health, old age, etc. I was just kind of used up and the preparation that it took to compete on the highest level was taking a toll. I also had moved to Florida and the situation here was in turmoil. I didn't want to get involved with that. I "bleed IMPBA" and wasn't willing to make that change. I still enjoy helping people with questions and occasionally get involved with a discussion which I might be able to contribute.

Regarding Brian Callahan and past experiences with a couple people: The Listbot belongs to both Brian and Myself now. I told Brian several years ago that when I decided to get out of boating, I would let him run the Listbot. He has not really been able to do that at this point. He is in the final presentation of his Doctorial Thesis and won't be complete for a couple months. He also got married and will be seeking employment after he completes school. I think that maybe Brian has a little thinner skin than I have in his Listbot Management Style. It took me a while to develop my style and I am sure it will take him some time also.

I have watched Tom take this Forum and develop it extremely well. The open style of the forum is great and I am sure nice for people to let their hair down. Tom has his style and I do also. Not that one is any better than the other, just different. I have enjoyed looking around as a "fly on the wall" and seeing many interesting discussions.

One thing I did not understand was someone saying that I was just interested in making a lot of $$$ on the Listbot or RCboat.com. NEVER has been that way and NEVER will be. I have never charged anyone that I featured on the Listbot or RCBoat.com a dime for being on there. I put them on, IF I thought that other boaters should know about them. I almost forgot that I did have a couple other links that went to short term things that I tried to sell (Ceramic Bearings). Maybe that was the reason for the statement. When we helped Boca develop them (Ackerman, Sparks, Kramer, etc), we thought that they were something that were going to be awesome for us. Didn't turn out that way and I turned my attention to other areas.

The Prop Duplicator was another item that we kind of fell into. One of my close friends figured out how to make a mold of my best props and thus be able to create a duplicate. I again decided that I wanted to make my best props available to everyone who wanted them. Couldn't do it free, so I charged enough to make it pay for itself and a little more. I have sold that item to Frank Bonnano and he is adding new props and I sent him some special, special props which he made molds for.

If you are really working at the hobby, it is very satisfying to give away the technology which was developed by you and your close friends. Anyway, if you did that, it made you work harder on new projects. Elevated the entire hobby and let more creative ideas be developed.

I can tell you that I usually don't write a lot of "blather" like this, but when I see people cutting me, and saying things which are not true it makes me HAVE to respond.

Well, anyway, thanks for letting me vent on this.

Marty Davis, Newbie
 
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