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Hey Ian! Don't know your rear sponson configuration, but I run my round bottom strut about 1-1.5 mm higher than the rears on my riggers. Seems to help keep the the water on the tips of the prop.

I really don't get Glenns theory. You would think that the weight would be what keeps the tips in the water.

Maybe there is something with the way the V937 is cupped. It is still stock. Hmm!

Hammer
 
Hammer,

Here is a pic of the boat, you can see the rear sponsons. On this type of hull the rear sponsons are not as deep as the fronts, so I dont know that I can run the strut higher without having the whole boat ride at too high angle of attack.

Ian.
 
Ah! A hummingbird. I see what you mean. I think the difference in the height of my Hammerhead.90s fronts and rears is about 4-5mm.

If I put the strut down, it really gets loose.

Hammer
 
Glenn I would really like to hear your experience with the rear hopping on a rigger. I know I am not the only one here trying to fix this problem. I was thinking more weight and 0 strut angle, but it seems you might have a different idea???

do you run a flywheel on Ross's boat?

what do you use for radio box seals?

Thanks

tom
 
WOW look at the number of views this thread has! I think people are very intrested in what you have to say about 12 riggers Glenn!

Remember IW has an interview of Glenn Quarrles from a while back you guys might find intresting!
 
Tom! Does yours hop with the 937, too. I have more problems with cavitation than hopping, but it does hop. With the 215 the hopping is totally absent with the strut barrel flat in relation to the bottom of the hull(same position as V937 test). It corners better, too.

These are some of the changes I made to my S215

A: and B: are cut back 1.8mm from the end of the barrel.

The prop tips are in the original position.

C: this is where I pitched it. It is pitched to 2.8-2.9

D: I machined of 1.2 mm of material of the front lobe.
 
yes I had cavitation as well..... but that dont bother me much as long as it does eventually take off..... the speed difference should be worth the payoff.... got to try the v940, 1938 and 2137 also still
 
Hey Glenn,

Thanks a lot for all you great input. I tried building a boat like yours but the engine fell though the bottom. ;D ;D "Just Kidding" Actually, I'm not trying to build an SAW boat at all. However, I'm getting really good at building 20 weight boats for 12 engines! : :)

On the serious side, it's really great to have experts like you, and many others on this forum, who share thier knowledge and experience with the rest of us.

Thanks again to all,

Don
 
Hi guys, sorry it has taken me so long to get back with you…the Air Force has me on the road and its been kinda hard to get to the computer. It seems there is some interest in why boats hop so I will try to pass on my ideas.

Let me start off by saying that there are a lot of really good boaters with different things that work for them, so this is just my opinion based on my experiences.

Hopping is caused by an imbalance in the forces trying to make the back of the boat go up (lift) and the forces trying to make the back of the boat go down (weight). For this conversation I will not address the aerodynamics that may be applying forces (either up or down) or “bouncing” caused by improper angle/depth of the rear sponsons.

All right, here we go:

-Lift is caused by two things, 1) “style” of prop…some blade shapes have more lift than others 2) thrust angle…if the strut is set with any positive angle the “push” of the prop will have a X and a Y vector with one along the surface of the water and one perpendicular (lift).

-Each prop has a certain level it likes to ride across the water and a certain amount of power to hold it’s self at that level.

-Hop is not caused by “too much” lift…I have used all of the highest lift props on my SAW boats and they NEVER hop.

-Hop is not caused by too little tail weight…both my .21 and .12 SAW boats are pretty light (just over 2 lbs for the .21’s and now just over 1 lb for the .12) and have very light tail weight.

-What happens to make a boat hop is that the prop tries to “climb” to the level it wants to runs but the upward momentum of the boat causes it to climb higher than the prop can support (as more of the prop comes out of the water it loses the power it hold it’s self there) so the weight pushes the back of the boat back down. Now the downward momentum of the boat works to push the prop back down past the level it would like to run, and since there is now enough prop in the water to develop the necessary power, the prop pushes it’s way back up. And the cycle continues.

-On setups where the imbalance is not too bad you may have noticed that once in awhile to boat will run a short distance without hopping. This is caused by just the right water conditions and just the right application of power that lets the prop “climb” to the level it can support with out developing the momentum causing the back of the boat to “overshoot”.

-If your boat hops there are a couple of things you can do: 1) Reduce the lift on the prop so it doesn’t try to “climb” past the point it can support. This can be done by reducing the lift of the prop by cupping, cutting, changing props, etc. or by reducing the angle of the strut (I always run my strut flat). 2) Reduce the weight of the boat that is keeping the prop from running at the level it wants to get to. Yes it is possible to keep the boat from hopping by adding enough weight to completely overpower the prop lift, but you would be losing the benefit we gain with surface running props. You would be better off by getting rid of the weight and changing props.

Well, I know this is kinda long and may be a little confusing, but maybe it will help someone a little. I look forward to hear any other’s ideas…maybe we can all learn a little.

Glenn
 
Hey Glenn,

What job is it you do for the USAF?

X-Y vectors, The last time I heard that was my first job outta high school, it was at Teledyne, We rebuilt GE turbojet's J/85-5 and -7 under civilain contract for the USAF, My job was final test for main fuel control and AB pump. Got to do the Thunderbirds

T-38 Talon engines back in 74, they buzzed the tower as they left to thank us for job well done.

Gene ;D
 
Slideblues, I am the Test Director and Operational test pilot for the AF's new T-6 Texan II airplane. It is lots of fun, but for the last couple of weeks I have been running around the country briefing the results of our testing.

Glenn
 
I knew it!!!! I can tell a pilot a mile off ;)

Airframe kinda reminds me another bird I like:
 
He,He Grim ya crack me up!!!!

I have cut the grass in one of these with Hurricane Harris a local cropduster:

Ya outta feel right at home now Glenn ;)
 

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