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nigel

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Does any one know anything about using Mobil Jet Oil II with nitro or gas engines? The local aero club has offered to sell me some, just want to know what thoughts are out there. If not what type of oil is everybody using?

Cheers Nigel.
 
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It's pretty good stuff....mixes well with Alky and nitro but I don’t know about Gas (my guess would be that it does).

Smells like dogcrap....I find myself checking my shoes every time I run a motor with it :lol:

I did hear about a hotspot on a piston…someone was using only MJII.....dude was running 9% oil in race conditions though….be careful
 
Never tried Mobil but AeroShell Turbine oil (orange color) and soon found out my fuel lines became orange just in the first run that made me figured out it was affecting the silicone hardly.Never had a failure but smelt like said.

Blue Kart Cool power from Morgan it what reach my needs now!

Gill
 
Thanks for the info, any more?

I was thinking of using about 20% mix.

Cheers Nigel.
 
I use Mobil Jet Oil II in my Radar's gearboxs' at work. Nasty stuff, not too good for your health in all honesty (prolonged periods). I know of some gas turbine flyers that swear by it in turbines. I'm not too sure how it'd go in our engines though. Might be worth a try, but be careful especially with vapours, mist. Below is the MSDS for it. I do know that it does stain paint pretty badly.

Johno

Western Australia

430207-00 MOBIL JET OIL II

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA BULLETIN

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1. PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION

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PRODUCT NAME: MOBIL JET OIL II

SUPPLIER: MOBIL OIL CORP.

NORTH AMERICA MARKETING AND REFINING

3225 GALLOWS RD.

FAIRFAX, VA 22037

24 - Hour Emergency (call collect): 609-737-4411

Product and MSDS Information: 800-662-4525 856-224-4644

CHEMTREC: 800-424-9300 202-483-7616

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2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS

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CHEMICAL NAMES AND SYNONYMS: SYN. HYDROCARBONS AND ADDITIVES

INGREDIENTS CONSIDERED HAZARDOUS TO HEALTH:

Substance Name Wt%

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TRICRESYL PHOSPHATE (1330-78-5) 1-5

1-NAPHTHALENAMINE, N-PHENYL 1-5

(90-30-2)

NOTE: This product contains 1.0% wt. P.A.N. (phenyl-alpha-naphthylamine)

90-30-2.

See Section 15 for European Label Information.

See Section 8 for exposure limits (if applicable).

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3. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION

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US OSHA HAZARD COMMUNICATION STANDARD: Product assessed in accordance

with OSHA 29 CFR 1910.1200 and determined to be hazardous.

EFFECTS OF OVEREXPOSURE: This product is not expected to produce

neurotoxic effects under normal conditions of use and with

appropriate personal hygiene practices. This product contains

tricresyl phosphate (TCP). Overexposure to TCP by swallowing,

prolonged or repeated breathing of oil mist, or prolonged or

repeated skin contact may produce nervous system disorders

including gastrointestinal disturbances, numbness, muscular

cramps, weakness and paralysis. Paralysis may be delayed. Refer

to emergency and first aid procedures for additional information.

EMERGENCY RESPONSE DATA: Amber Liquid. DOT ERG No. - NA. SEC: 0

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4. FIRST AID MEASURES

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EYE CONTACT: Flush thoroughly with water. If irritation occurs, call

a physician.

SKIN CONTACT: Wash contact areas with soap and water. Do not wear

ordinary clothing wet with this product. Remove contaminated

clothing. Launder contaminated clothing before reuse.

INHALATION: Remove from further exposure. If respiratory irritation,

dizziness, nausea, or unconsciousness occurs, seek immediate

medical assistance. If breathing has stopped, assist ventilation

with bag-valve-mask device or use mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

INGESTION: Seek immediate medical attention. If medical attention

will be delayed, contact a Regional Poison Center or emergency

medical professional regarding the induction of vomiting or use

of activated charcoal. Do not induce vomiting or give anything

by mouth to a groggy or unconscious person.

NOTE TO PHYSICIANS: This product is not expected to produce adverse

effects under normal conditions of use and appropriate personal

hygiene. This product contains TCP which can cause symptoms

associated with cholinesterase inhibition. TCP may also produce

neurotoxicity associated with inhibition of neuropathy target

esterase (NTE). Effects of cholinesterase inhibition are

expected to occur within hours of exposure, but neurotoxicity

related to NTE inhibition may not become evident for several

days. Treat appropriately.

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5. FIRE-FIGHTING MEASURES

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EXTINGUISHING MEDIA: Carbon dioxide, foam, dry chemical and water fog.

SPECIAL FIRE FIGHTING PROCEDURES: Water or foam may cause frothing.

Use water to keep fire exposed containers cool. Water spray may

be used to flush spills away from exposure. Prevent runoff from

fire control or dilution from entering streams, sewers, or

drinking water supply.

SPECIAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT: For fires in enclosed areas, fire

fighters must use self-contained breathing apparatus.

UNUSUAL FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARDS: None. Flash Point C(F): 246(475)

(ASTM D-92). Flammable limits - LEL: NA, UEL: NA.

NFPA HAZARD ID: Health: 1, Flammability: 1, Reactivity: 0

HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS: Carbon monoxide.

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6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES

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NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES: Report spills as required to appropriate

authorities. U. S. Coast Guard regulations require immediate

reporting of spills that could reach any waterway including

intermittent dry creeks. Report spill to Coast Guard toll free

number (800) 424-8802. In case of accident or road spill notify

CHEMTREC (800) 424-9300.

PROCEDURES IF MATERIAL IS RELEASED OR SPILLED: Adsorb on fire

retardant treated sawdust, diatomaceous earth, etc. Shovel up

and dispose of at an appropriate waste disposal facility in

accordance with current applicable laws and regulations, and

product characteristics at time of disposal.

ENVIRONMENTAL PRECAUTIONS: Prevent spills from entering storm sewers

or drains and contact with soil.

PERSONAL PRECAUTIONS: See Section 8

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7. HANDLING AND STORAGE

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HANDLING: Avoid ingestion. Avoid inhalation of mists. Avoid

prolonged repeated skin contact. Wash thoroughly before eating

or smoking. Keep away from feed or food products. Do not use on

food processing machinery.

STORAGE: Store in a cool, dry, well ventilated area away from heat.

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8. EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION

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VENTILATION: Use in well ventilated area with local exhaust

ventilation.

RESPIRATORY PROTECTION: Approved respiratory protective equipment

should be used if ventilation is inadequate and breathing of

mists or vapors is likely.

EYE PROTECTION: If eye contact is likely, safety glasses with side

shields or chemical type goggles should be worn.

SKIN PROTECTION: If prolonged or repeated skin contact is likely, oil

impervious gloves should be worn. Good personal hygiene

practices should always be followed.

EXPOSURE LIMITS: This product does not contain any components which

have recognized exposure limits. However, a exposure limit of

5.00 mg/m3 is suggested for oil mist.

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9. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES

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Typical physical properties are given below. Consult Product Data Sheet

for specific details.

APPEARANCE: Liquid

COLOR: Amber

ODOR: Mild

ODOR THRESHOLD-ppm: NE

pH: NE

BOILING POINT C(F): NE

MELTING POINT C(F): NA

FLASH POINT C(F): 246(475) (ASTM D-92)

FLAMMABILITY: NE

AUTO FLAMMABILITY: NE

EXPLOSIVE PROPERTIES: NA

OXIDIZING PROPERTIES: NA

VAPOR PRESSURE-mmHg 20 C: NE

VAPOR DENSITY: NE

EVAPORATION RATE: NE

RELATIVE DENSITY, 15/4 C: 1

SOLUBILITY IN WATER: Negligible

PARTITION COEFFICIENT: NE

VISCOSITY AT 40 C, cSt: > 23.0

VISCOSITY AT 100 C, cSt: > 4.9

POUR POINT C(F): -54(-65)

FREEZING POINT C(F): NE

VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUND: NA

NA=NOT APPLICABLE NE=NOT ESTABLISHED D=DECOMPOSES

FOR FURTHER TECHNICAL INFORMATION, CONTACT YOUR MARKETING REPRESENTATIVE

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10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY

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STABILITY (THERMAL, LIGHT, ETC.): Stable.

CONDITIONS TO AVOID: Extreme heat.

INCOMPATIBILITY (MATERIALS TO AVOID): Strong oxidizers.

HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS: Carbon monoxide.

HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION: Will not occur.

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11. TOXICOLOGICAL DATA

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---ACUTE TOXICOLOGY---

ORAL TOXICITY (RATS): Practically non-toxic (LD50: greater than 2000

mg/kg). ---Based on testing of similar products and/or the

components.

DERMAL TOXICITY (RABBITS): Practically non-toxic (LD50: greater than

2000 mg/kg). ---Based on testing of similar products and/or the

components.

INHALATION TOXICITY (RATS): Practically non-toxic (LC50: greater

than 5 mg/l). ---Based on testing of similar products and/or the

components.

EYE IRRITATION (RABBITS): Practically non-irritating. (Draize score:

0 or greater but 6 or less). ---Based on testing of similar

products and/or the components.

SKIN IRRITATION (RABBITS): Practically non-irritating. (Primary

Irritation Index: greater than 0.5 but less than 3). ---Based

on testing of similar products and/or the components.

OTHER ACUTE TOXICITY DATA: ****This mixture or a similar mixture did

not result in any fatalities to rats at concentrations (see

inhalation toxicity above) substantially higher than the 5 mg/m3

TLV suggested for oil mists.

---REPRODUCTIVE TOXICOLOGY (SUMMARY)---

This product is unlikely to produce reproductive effects by any route

of exposure. In Mobil laboratory studies, no adverse effects

were seen on male reproductive systems of rats exposed to a

generic jet engine oil containing 3% TCP for 14 days oral or 13

weeks dermal exposure. In addition, no adverse effects were seen

in ovaries of female rats after 13 weeks dermal exposure.

---SENSITIZATION (SUMMARY)---

This product contains 1.0% wt. phenyl-alpha-naphthylamine (PAN).

Human repeated insult patch testing with lubricants containing

1.0% (w/w) PAN caused no reactions indicative of sensitization in

over 449 human subjects. A similar jet oil formulation

(containing 0.75% w/w PAN) was evaluated in a guinea pig

sensitization test (Buehler) and found not to cause skin

sensitization. In a separate study, guinea pigs that were highly

sensitized to pure PAN were found to tolerate a challange

concentration of 1.0% (w/w) PAN in mineral oil with no

sensitization response.

---OTHER TOXICOLOGY DATA---

Under normal conditions of use this product is unlikely to produce

neurotoxic effects by dermal or inhalation exposure but may

produce such effects if orally ingested. While not acutely

toxic, repeated applications of 2 g/kg of a generic engine oil

containing 3% tricresyl phosphate (TCP), (one dermal

application/day, 5 days/week for 90 days), to male and female

Sprague-Dawley rats decreased the activities of both serum and

red blood cell cholinesterases. TCP was found to be responsible

for the observed effects. Acute oral studies with the TCP

additive showed inhibition of brain neuropathy target esterase

which is indicative of a potential to produce delayed

neurotoxicity. Repeated oral administration of 2 g/kg of a

generic jet engine oil containing 3% tricresyl phosphate (TCP)

(once/day, 5 days/week for 10 weeks) to hens (60mg/kg/day TCP)

inhibited brain neuropathy target esterase (NTE) by 70% and

caused ataxia or paralysis in 22 of 30 hens in this treatment

group.

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12. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION

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ENVIRONMENTAL FATE AND EFFECTS: Not established.

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13. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS

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WASTE DISPOSAL: Product is suitable for burning in an enclosed,

controlled burner for fuel value or disposal by supervised

incineration. Such burning may be limited pursuant to the

Resource Conservation and Recovery Act. In addition, the product

is suitable for processing by an approved recycling facility or

can be disposed of at an appropriate government waste disposal

facility. Use of these methods is subject to user compliance

with applicable laws and regulations and consideration of product

characteristics at time of disposal.

RCRA INFORMATION: The unused product, in our opinion, is not

specifically listed by the EPA as a hazardous waste (40 CFR,

Part 261D), nor is it formulated to contain materials which

are listed hazardous wastes. It does not exhibit the hazardous

characteristics of ignitability, corrosivity, or reactivity and

is not formulated with contaminants as determined by the Toxicity

Characteristic Leaching Procedure (TCLP). However, used product

may be regulated.

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14. TRANSPORT INFORMATION

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USA DOT: NOT REGULATED BY USA DOT.

RID/ADR: NOT REGULATED BY RID/ADR.

IMO: NOT REGULATED BY IMO.

IATA: NOT REGULATED BY IATA.

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15. REGULATORY INFORMATION

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Governmental Inventory Status: All components comply with TSCA, and

EINECS/ELINCS.

EU Labeling: EU labeling not required.

U.S. Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act (SARA) Title III:

This product contains no "EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES".

SARA (311/312) REPORTABLE HAZARD CATEGORIES:

CHRONIC

This product contains no chemicals reportable under

SARA (313) toxic release program.

The following product ingredients are cited on the lists below:

CHEMICAL NAME CAS NUMBER LIST CITATIONS

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TRICRESYL PHOSPHATE (>2.10%) 1330-78-5 22

--- REGULATORY LISTS SEARCHED ---

1=ACGIH ALL 6=IARC 1 11=TSCA 4 16=CA P65 CARC 21=LA RTK

2=ACGIH A1 7=IARC 2A 12=TSCA 5a2 17=CA P65 REPRO 22=MI 293

3=ACGIH A2 8=IARC 2B 13=TSCA 5e 18=CA RTK 23=MN RTK

4=NTP CARC 9=OSHA CARC 14=TSCA 6 19=FL RTK 24=NJ RTK

5=NTP SUS 10=OSHA Z 15=TSCA 12b 20=IL RTK 25=PA RTK

26=RI RTK

Code key: CARC=Carcinogen; SUS=Suspected Carcinogen; REPRO=Reproductive

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16. OTHER INFORMATION

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Precautionary Label Text:

CONTAINS TRICRESYL PHOSPHATE,1-NAPHTHALENAMINE, N-PHENYL-

WARNING!

Swallowing this product can cause nervous system disorders including

paralysis. Prolonged or repeated breathing of oil mist, or prolonged or

repeated skin contact can cause nervous system effects.

Never swallow. Wash hands after handling and before eating. Never use

in or around food. Avoid prolonged or repeated overexposure to skin or

lungs.

FIRST AID: If swallowed, seek immediate medical attention. If medical

attention will be delayed, induce vomiting. In case of contact, wash

skin with soap and water. Remove contaminated clothing.

For industrial use only. Not intended or suitable for use in or around a

household or dwelling.

Never use empty container to carry water or food. Do not cut, puncture,

or weld on or near container.

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USE: AVIATION ENGINE OIL

NOTE: MOBIL PRODUCTS ARE NOT FORMULATED TO CONTAIN PCBS.

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Please call the Customer Response Center on 800-662-4525 for formulation

disclosure.

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For Internal Use Only: MHC: 0* 0* 1* 0* 1*, MPPEC: C, TRN: 430207-00,

GLIS: 400268, CMCS97: 970570, REQ: MIAMI, SAFE USE: L

EHS Approval Date: 12APR1999
 
Repeated oral administration of 2 g/kg of ageneric jet engine oil containing 3% tricresyl phosphate (TCP)

(once/day, 5 days/week for 10 weeks) to hens (60mg/kg/day TCP)

inhibited brain neuropathy target esterase (NTE) by 70% and

caused ataxia or paralysis in 22 of 30 hens in this treatment

group.



Darn....and it made such a good Bar-B-Que sauce :blink:

little bit of Salt and Pepper.....I'm sure those chickens tasted just fine :)
 
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I'm hearing ya, but I'll tell you from experience, it's not a good feeling to get bathed (accidently of course) in it when you "must" do a gearbox oil change at sea in less than favourable conditions. Been down that road, it's nasty stuff, and not so "finger licken good" :( .
 
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I wonder if those chickens would have cooked after being subjected to the jet oil? Did they become heat resistant?

I think I know what one of the 11 secret herbs and Spices might be!
 

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