Jae VS Eagle Sgx .21 Size Boats

[Beau Parsons]

Pros and cons of each boat. I was curious of everyones opinion.

Thanks Beau

 

[anthony_marquart]

JAE - cheap, easy to set up,.. cons,.. not super durable., build quality can vary

Eagle- very solid, fast, long history of success, Cons,,, very expensive, more variables in the hull to dial in. In my opinion, doesn't turn as well.

 

[tmunn]

For the money and raceability JAE is my pic.I used epoxy and no CA and it is very durable I have crashed it and hit bouys in the last couple years and it is still going.Oh yeah won lots of heats with it too..

 

[dr gary turner]

Pros and cons of each boat. I was curious of everyones opinion.

Thanks Beau

I have tried just about all of the hulls and have build a 21 45 and 101 JAE and raced them. The 21 JAE is acceptable. By theirselves or in heats with just a few boats the 21 does okay. The bigger the boat 45 forward did not heat race well in a heat with several boats. They tend to trip in the turns. I think that there is still a lot of work need on the hull design, width and angle of the ramp, chine in the front sponsons should be considered, dihiedral in the front sponson and and placement of the motor in the hull etc. Running them by theirselves they are fast and turn well. But in a hard fought heat in my opinion they will not finish. The SGX with heat race well and finish.

 

[Buckshot]

Pros and cons of each boat. I was curious of everyones opinion.

Thanks Beau

I have tried just about all of the hulls and have build a 21 45 and 101 JAE and raced them. The 21 JAE is acceptable. By theirselves or in heats with just a few boats the 21 does okay. The bigger the boat 45 forward did not heat race well in a heat with several boats. They tend to trip in the turns. I think that there is still a lot of work need on the hull design, width and angle of the ramp, chine in the front sponsons should be considered, dihiedral in the front sponson and and placement of the motor in the hull etc. Running them by theirselves they are fast and turn well. But in a hard fought heat in my opinion they will not finish. The SGX with heat race well and finish.

+1

 

[Ron Zaker Jr]

Pros and cons of each boat. I was curious of everyones opinion.

Thanks Beau

I have tried just about all of the hulls and have build a 21 45 and 101 JAE and raced them. The 21 JAE is acceptable. By theirselves or in heats with just a few boats the 21 does okay. The bigger the boat 45 forward did not heat race well in a heat with several boats. They tend to trip in the turns. I think that there is still a lot of work need on the hull design, width and angle of the ramp, chine in the front sponsons should be considered, dihiedral in the front sponson and and placement of the motor in the hull etc. Running them by theirselves they are fast and turn well. But in a hard fought heat in my opinion they will not finish. The SGX with heat race well and finish.

+1

JAE swept Hobart 21 class,is that a "+"?

 

[Chris Wood]

it is all what you make of it.. one better than the other.. that kind of thing goes on in any form of anything of sports.. alot of it boils down to 2 things.. money and time.

the jae is a great boat.. you have to either build it or find of the guys that build them and sell them.. andy builds nice stuff that has won alot over the yrs.. i don't know what kind of lead time he has right now as he is hard to get ahold of.

the key is not what is better but how much time you are willing to spend.. I don't care if ron zaker, myself, kently porter, stu barr, aaron alberico and so on built a boat or designed a boat what ever.. if you arn't willing to spend the time and test., and learn the boat. none of it is going to work PERIOD..

so with that.. look at your budget.. and how much time you are willing to spend.

i can say this much.. with either boat 90 percent of your time should be spent on props.. i say it all the time for a reason.. most people think they will BUY the props and be magic.. sure sometimes they can get lucky.. but alot of times you must spend the time tweaking to get the boat right.

so what is better.. i guess you decide. . both have one and i am sure both will continue to win.

chris

 

[RodneyPierce]

it is all what you make of it.. one better than the other.. that kind of thing goes on in any form of anything of sports.. alot of it boils down to 2 things.. money and time.

the jae is a great boat.. you have to either build it or find of the guys that build them and sell them.. andy builds nice stuff that has won alot over the yrs.. i don't know what kind of lead time he has right now as he is hard to get ahold of.

the key is not what is better but how much time you are willing to spend.. I don't care if ron zaker, myself, kently porter, stu barr, aaron alberico and so on built a boat or designed a boat what ever.. if you arn't willing to spend the time and test., and learn the boat. none of it is going to work PERIOD..

so with that.. look at your budget.. and how much time you are willing to spend.

i can say this much.. with either boat 90 percent of your time should be spent on props.. i say it all the time for a reason.. most people think they will BUY the props and be magic.. sure sometimes they can get lucky.. but alot of times you must spend the time tweaking to get the boat right.

so what is better.. i guess you decide. . both have one and i am sure both will continue to win.

chris

+1,000,000,000

 

[mike walker]

Pros and cons of each boat. I was curious of everyones opinion.

Thanks Beau

I have tried just about all of the hulls and have build a 21 45 and 101 JAE and raced them. The 21 JAE is acceptable. By theirselves or in heats with just a few boats the 21 does okay. The bigger the boat 45 forward did not heat race well in a heat with several boats. They tend to trip in the turns. I think that there is still a lot of work need on the hull design, width and angle of the ramp, chine in the front sponsons should be considered, dihiedral in the front sponson and and placement of the motor in the hull etc. Running them by theirselves they are fast and turn well. But in a hard fought heat in my opinion they will not finish. The SGX with heat race well and finish.

+1

JAE swept Hobart 21 class,is that a "+"?

Oh ya! they did didn't they

 

[Buckshot]

Pros and cons of each boat. I was curious of everyones opinion.

Thanks Beau

I have tried just about all of the hulls and have build a 21 45 and 101 JAE and raced them. The 21 JAE is acceptable. By theirselves or in heats with just a few boats the 21 does okay. The bigger the boat 45 forward did not heat race well in a heat with several boats. They tend to trip in the turns. I think that there is still a lot of work need on the hull design, width and angle of the ramp, chine in the front sponsons should be considered, dihiedral in the front sponson and and placement of the motor in the hull etc. Running them by theirselves they are fast and turn well. But in a hard fought heat in my opinion they will not finish. The SGX with heat race well and finish.

+1

JAE swept Hobart 21 class,is that a "+"?

Sure is Ron, but when the field is mostly JAP's then the odds are a "+".

I prolly shouldnt have said "+1". I should have said.....it's all about the end user and what they can and want to do. All the JAE's I have seen run that weren't your boat, david's boat or the few other Team guys didn't run too well.

Just my worthless opinion.

Sorry for the interruption.

Buck

 

[moparbarn]

should be a good mix at the fall nats, time will tell.......i'm pullin for the jae, 'cuz i run one .

 

[Beau Parsons]

Can you purchase a new Eagle SGX from andy at the current moment? Heard he was not building hardly any boats or parts?

 

[LarryConrad]

I got a New SGX 2 from Andy in March, but it's not a 20 boat. The JAE boats are very popular because they are inexpensive, readily available and perform very well. Most of the custom built hydros on the market regardless of engine size are expensive and built in limited numbers, many with long waiting lists.Order a Crapshooter from Stu, or a Jag III from Bob and you will be waiting for as long or longer as you would for an Eagle. Ralph seems to have the quickest delivery time, His Roadrunners are the most popular choice in the twin classes,not only because they perform extremely well, but because they are more readily available than other hulls.

 

[JeremyEdge]

Hey Larry,Don't forget David Showers(MicroBurst).He is real fast on delivery.

 

[LarryConrad]

My bad, never seen one, The only Microburst's I've ever seen were monos that I think were built by Chris Fabro.

Larry

 

[Rene Danner]

The micro-burst boat are built by David Showers I believe.I saw a gas rigger run in rough water a very impressive.Here is a link.

http://www.intlwaters.com/index.php?showtopic=47290

 

[JeremyEdge]

No big deal Larru I was just plugin Davids name.

David purchased microburst from Chris about 10 years ago.

But he has been building rigger for a lot longer. the original name for these rigger were Reptile.and started calling the MicroBurst after he acquired MicroBurst.

He will be racing in the Fall nats,if you are going look him up David is a real cool guy.

 

[Roxyflash]

Never ran a Zipkitt rigger.The eagle has a few draw backs the boom tubes are a hassle to replace.If you do it too many times it messes up the foam in the sponsons and makes for a weak repair.The other issue i had was broke the sponson right behind the step on the turn fin side.The turn fin caught something in the water and snapped the sponson in half.On the bigger eagles had the tub crack on the boom tube holes.Make sure you reinforce the whole front half of the tub with carbon fiber.Also do the same in the rear bait box see many rip the transom loose.The cowls are weak try to find a epoxy glass rep[lacement.Thats my issues with the eagles no longer own any.

 

[Beau Parsons]

Has any one had any luck with a .21 size roadrunner? Do they make a .21 size roadrunner?

 

[jason jury]

hi beau i have a 21 roadrunner rigger and set up right they go well . they dont turn as quick as the jae 21 but are stable in heat racing conditions with other boats around them . i have the standard roadrunner 21 rigger but there is a ultralight version aswell . you can still get them from a person called ralph, check in the forum that states engines , and rigger kits . another huy on here called joe w know alot about the roadrunner aswell. give him a pm he will put you on the right track mate,, my roadrunner is a little on the heavy side, weighs in at 5.1 piunds inus fuel, im going to make kighter engine mounts and also replace the alloy boom tubes with carbon fibre ones, this should reduce the weight down nicely,, hope this helps mate,, cheers jason ,