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[Stein Tumert]

Yep, Andy is getting closer to my point...There is no organisation covering the whole world today. This is by the way similar in boxing, where you have world champs in different organisations...

However, I cannot see that IMPBA has any intentions of becoming international as the association is not promoting it's activities outside of North America...

On the other hand, NAVIGA has member countries from most countries in Europe, Australia, South Africa, Asia, and South America. A bit more international than IMPBA...

Maybe time to start working better together and create a real world championship?

Let's hear it guys!

Stein

 

[Preston_Hall]

Stein,

You missed the post about tearing people down and starting your own thread. This is just never ending. I went back and found it

From now on when some tries to make a constructive thread please try to refrain yourself from destroying it. Just because you may not agree with everything said does not mean you have to attack the person for trying to do a positive thing. If you think you can do a better job then make your own dam post!

It's freak'n boat racing.

What would you have the IMPBA or any other organization do, go around the world and twist arms until a few thousand people signed on. I am not saying everybody should be IMPBA or anything else but I don't get in a tizzy because other organizations have their own set of records.

Maybe you could be constructive and research top speeds around the world and post them. BTW, Ebay doesn't count.

What are we, chopped liver........?
Last time i checked, Canada was a separate country from the USA. A significant component of regular IMPBA activity takes place in Canada with Canadian IMPBA members. One of IMPBA's largest clubs (# of members) is a Canadian club (Northern Lights Model Boat Club).

No kidding.

 

[DaveMarles]

It's still a WORLD record within that given organization. There is absolutely nothing preventing Dave, Stein or say Tim & the Aussie boys from forming a club & becoming part of the IMPBA. You choose to run in a particular org. & that is YOUR choice. And the IMPBA is not just a US thing, there are clubs in Canada (it's NOT the US), the Bahamas & I think the Virgin Islands if I'm not mistaken. Anyone in the world can join IMPBA & if it's a new place they just add a new district to the list. And just to set things straight these are referred to IMPBA World Records which means no IMPBA member worldwide has gone faster. If any of you guys think you can top these marks then hold your own sanctioned event (it doesn't cost much in sanction fees either) or come over here & have some fun. It's like Paul said- "the I in IMPBA is International, just happens to be based out of the United States. Just like the UN. It is open to all boaters." B)

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Don, It seems to me that saying IMPBA or Namba or FIM or whatever World Record is no problem at all. Quoting just World records is just a little misleading in my opinion and plenty of people do it.

I thought Canada was part of the US. I better get my map out and have a look. I suppose thats a bit like saying GB is part of Europe.

 

[Propjockey]

Safe to say that Canada is part of North America, not the United States.

Go Maple Leafs!

 

[rhomodel]

I'm located abroad in the Netherlands and like to pose the following question

If our club would become IMPBA member and we organize a SAW event or any race event, will US IMPBA officials fly over to check our course and do the time keeping?

Julius

 

[AndyBrown]

Julius,

You can get your lake IMPBA ceritfied. Basicly you just need the proper paperwork. Lake must be surveyed by a professional certified Surveyor.

Letters from the lake owner, become an IMPBA club and so on.

No need for IMPBA Officials to "fly over".

The difficult part would be the timing equipment. We use IMPBA owned clocks.

The case is heavy and would be expensive to ship.

Perhaps your organization could purchase it's own clocks and have them ceritified by a professional technition.

There are always ways to make the playing field level so everyone can play.

 

[RaceCraftBearings]

I can tell you this:

There are some World record holding Typist's on International Waters

I'm goin to run boats..............

 

[Mark Bullard]

Andy help me out but I thing that the IMPBA was the first in the world to form a organization to promote model boating. The IMPBA is now 56 years old if I added right. And yes you are very right that the records that we set are world records for the IMPBA. And there is no reason why there can not be IMPBA clubs any where in the world.

Mark Bullard

 

[Preston_Hall]

The difficult part would be the timing equipment.

I would think the IMPBA could get a set together to keep over seas. If one or two need to be purchased, then so be it. I'm all for it.
And since it has been brought up, how would we (US IMPBA) go forward with this. I think it would be great and it certainly keeps in line with promoting model boating. Then maybe one day there would be no question as to "world records".

 

[Don Templeton]

I can tell you this:
There are some World record holding Typist's on International Waters 

I'm goin to run boats..............

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I JUST SPIT OUT MY COFFEE ON THAT ONE!

 

[RaceCraftBearings]

I can tell you this:
There are some World record holding Typist's on International Waters 

I'm goin to run boats..............

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I JUST SPIT OUT MY COFFEE ON THAT ONE!

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Sorry Don, hope you didnt get your keyboard cause sticky keys will put you down a lap real quick! Not to mention that sticky mess on the windshield er I mean monitor.

 

[rhomodel]

Thanks Andy, it won't be for this year but one never knows for the future.

Julius

 

[Chris Wittrig]

Yep, Andy is getting closer to my point...There is no organisation covering the whole world today. This is by the way similar in boxing, where you have world champs in different organisations...

This is squarely on point. How many sporting organizations claim to have "World Champions"? How many times have you heard that a baseball team characterized as the "World Champions" or the same of a basketball team (do we need to bring up the humiliation of the NBA players in the last Olympics)? It is absolutely true that boxing exploits this as well and a time does occasionally come where a boxer "unifies" the titles by winning the title in each "sanctioning body" but I don’t believe we have ever seen such a boxer win the title within all sanctioning bodies throughout the world.

For model boating it would seem to me that you cannot necessarily claim any record to be a "World Record" in any particular class/category as you have no unified rules standard for each class. Obviously somebody can claim to have the world's fastest Electric Hydro or .45 Hydro based on the information made available to us by several sanctioning bodies on the internet or other media, thereby setting a "World Record", no different than a closed course speed record. Look at automobiles...NASCAR, CART, IRL, ARCA-any sanctioning body throughout the world who has rule standards where vehicles are inspected for compliance and run on approved courses-can set this record (obviously most likely on an oval). Gil de Ferran set this record in qualifying for a CART race in California at just less than 242 mph (that's the average speed over the lap).

Several people in this thread have hit the nail on the head...a sanctioning body who claims its records to be "World Records" has a claim that only reaches within the boundaries of its own organization.

Ron...do I now qualify for the World Typing Title?

 

[Don Ferrette]

Andy help me out but I thing that the IMPBA was the first in the world to form a organization to promote model boating. The IMPBA is now 56 years old if I added right. And yes you are very right that the records that we set are world records for the IMPBA. And there is no reason why there can not be IMPBA clubs any where in the world.
Mark Bullard

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Mark is right. The INTERNATIONAL Model Bower Boat Association was the world's first organization to promote model boating. That fact that others decided to go form thier own orgs. was thier choosing as they could have just as easily become part of the IMPBA. There is NOTHING stopping any club on the planet from joining the IMPBA. So they are IMPBA world records, it doesn't mean that is not a legitimate title as no IMPBA member anywhere in the world has gone faster. If you choose to run with a different sanctioning body that's your business but don't sit there & pick fault with what one group calls world records, they still are. And a question for the few of you who want to nitpick this- have you ever attended a speed event or even made a legitimate attempt to even run close to these marks?? I doubt it. So until you have actually tried this & see how difficult it is don't try to discredit what people like myself, Andy, Preston & others have done.

 

[Eddy de Vries]

Mr. Ferrette,

What is the added value of calling an association's champion "world champion", when all the associations on the rest of the planet might do the same ?

 

[DaveMarles]

Mark is right. The INTERNATIONAL Model Bower Boat Association was the world's first organization to promote model boating. That fact that others decided to go form thier own orgs. was thier choosing as they could have just as easily become part of the IMPBA. There is NOTHING stopping any club on the planet from joining the IMPBA. So they are IMPBA world records, it doesn't mean that is not a legitimate title as no IMPBA member anywhere in the world has gone faster. If you choose to run with a different sanctioning body that's your business but don't sit there & pick fault with what one group calls world records, they still are. And a question for the few of you who want to nitpick this- have you ever attended a speed event or even made a legitimate attempt to even run close to these marks?? I doubt it. So until you have actually tried this & see how difficult  it is don't try to discredit what people like myself, Andy, Preston & others have done.

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Don, 'nitpicking'. I think that applies to anyone who disagrees with you.

I said it before. Its a big world out there and to say the IMPBA was the first association to promote model boating is rubbish and irrelevant anyway.

It's IMPBA champions or world champions, thats all, which realistically means North America. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm certainly not trying to say that the records are not terrific, of course they are and the guys who get those records work hard, I know that, but you are not the only people to do record attempts. What makes you think that?

I'm going boatracing tomorrow, with the MPBA. Formed about 1900 I would imagine. I also race in Naviga and UIM. Both far bigger than the IMPBA and when I quote my 6 world championship wins I always say... 4 Naviga World Championships and 2 UIM World Championships. Simple enough. If others just want to say World Champions then thats up to them but they leave themselves open to criticism.

 

[Ron Olson]

With so many sanctioning bodies worldwide, the IMPBA, NAMBA, MPBA, AMPBA, JMPBA, NAVIGA, UIM, just to name a few of them, people seem to recognize the ones the most by SAW speeds records with oval records secondary (sorry oval record holders). If there is an established record for the 330 foot SAW and comparable records for the same sized ovals course it would be easier to have a world speed record that is undisputed. The NHRA did away with the trap speeds that I think was 66 feet before and after the finish line to just the 66 feet right before and to the finish line for safety reasons.

Maybe we should consider using something along the same lines, only clocking the boats at the top end, the last 33 feet for instance. This would give the record attempters at Legg Lake more room to get up to speed or shut down. I could be talking out my wazoo but food for thought.

 

[Don Ferrette]

"What is the added value of calling an association's champion "world champion", when all the associations on the rest of the planet might do the same ?"

Gee Eddie you tell me. So then you're implying that Andy's NAVIGA World Champion or Dave's UIM World Champion titles are worthless as well? Funny how you guys aren't taking shots at either one of those orgs. but it's the same thing. <_<

" I said it before. Its a big world out there and to say the IMPBA was the first association to promote model boating is rubbish and irrelevant anyway."

Well Dave I guess this one was poor word choice as we should have said the first known attempt to promote on an INTERNATIONAL level, hence the name.

The records say IMPBA World Records, clearly defining them as set by IMPBA members who can reside anywhere in the world they choose. There is NOTHING preventing a person or club in England, Germany, Japan, wherever from joining the IMPBA. This whole arguement is a friggin' joke & exists only because some of you had some deep seeded issue with the word "world" being used in the title. The wording is correct as the IMPBA, an INTERNATIONAL organization, in which NO IMPBA MEMBER IN THE WORLD HAS GONE FASTER. Just like NAVIGA World Champion or UIM World Champion, it means that someone is the best on the planet who belongs to that given organization. So get over it already.

 

[DaveMarles]

Don, You don't need to use capitals to emphasise anything. I can hear you well enough. Better take a look at what you write as your signature. Sure looks like World champion to me. Maybe I missed the IMPBA bit and if you tell me that IMPBA Scale Director refers to it then I missed the punctuation too.

I was 'over it' forever. It seems you are a bit touchy about it though.

I'm finished anyway. I think it was a valid point made by Stein but it sure ruffled some feathers.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Don,  You don't need to use capitals to emphasise anything.  I can hear you well enough.  Better take a look at what you write as your signature.  Sure looks like World champion to me. Maybe I missed the IMPBA bit and if you tell me that IMPBA Scale Director refers to it then I missed the punctuation too.   I was 'over it' forever. It seems you are a bit touchy about it though.

    I'm finished anyway.  I think it was a valid point made by Stein but it sure ruffled some feathers. 

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Dave- as for the caps, when you've said the same thing 2 or 3 times & it still ain't sinkin' in ...well 'nuff said. To make everyone happy I added IMPBA for the second time in the same sentence on my sig. Guess opening that sentence with IMPBA wasn't enough.

Touchy? Nah. A little irritated, that would be more like it. Why? It never ceases to amaze me how someone can post something & people will jump thier a$$es without actually reading what was said. This thread is a perfect example as all Preston said was this-

"We appear to be on the IMPBA world record list now."

So before we continue, let's all take a moment to read the above sentence slowly & let each individual word sink in.

Got it? Ok let's review the above sentence in part-

Fact- The subject was IMPBA world records. What does that mean? It means the no IMPBA member anywhere in world has done better. Did Preston, or anyone else say these records were the best in the world, period? Nope. But then again I'd love to hear if anyone else is officially this fast in any org.

Fact- The IMPBA stands for International Model Power Boat Association. That means anyone in this big 'ol world can be a member. If someone chooses to be a part or not that is thier business, but for Stein to infer that the IMPBA is intentionally US only is way off base. It may be true that the vast majority of members are on the north american continent but that is only because others like yourself chose to be in a different group, a choice you made.

Fact- The IMPBA has tried to promote itself outside the north american continent and basically got the "that's nice but we're really not interested" cold shoulder attitude. So why would one continue pressing it?? If for some reason that attitude is now any different the open arms offer to join has always been there. This is another thing Stein tried to imply wasn't the case and again it's just not true.

So does NAVIGA hold SAW or oval record trial events??

So there you have it. I think the only true barrier between is huge a$$ body of water called the Atlantic Ocean. I bet if it wasn't so **** expensive to cross we'd all have alot more people to run with.