Copying of Engineered Products

[KenOlvis]

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[KenOlvis]

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[ABC PROPS]

Wow

To many HOT HEADS with no Business ethics

No I did not invent the propeller

Nor did I discover Oxygen which you breath

I do not make claims to

But

The fact is that it was an intent to Copy issue here for profit

Period

I have seen no other attempt to exempt this issue other than bashing degrading slashing pleading for removal and simply saying it was a joke

As terms to solve the statement made of Intent to Copy

Now

Lets just finish this nonsense

And

Simply Answer my question

If you can Make a better Propeller

Then Why copy mine or others and change it, bend it,cut it

and call it Your Product with intent for sale for profit

Start for scratch build the NEW

With you own hands

Now that would simply be honest now Right?

Now I did not ever say Kris copied my props

I Stated his own Quote of Intent

with Proof of Sale of NON personal property

of other copied products of mine

I am sorry this thread has become such a degradation

But It does bring out the Truth in people

Jim

 

[bsmtboy2]

Admins, please close this thread ,way too much venom here! I hope both of you can talk off forum and hash this out in private and keep it that way.

 

[ABC PROPS]

Another request for removal

Why remove this thread?

The only venom comes from one side

Why?

I think we all know that answer

How about a retraction of statements made!

Anyways

Guys just wait what is coming out that is new

this is just the start

Time to just go faster

Inspection Sheets of Pitch of my products are available for the cleaver and chopper series by request for the speed freaks out there

ask the guys who have got them

Nothing like being able to BLUEPRINT your engineered prop

Jim

 

[KenOlvis]

Another request for removal

How about a retraction of statements made!

Anyways

Guys just wait what is coming out that is new

this is just the start

Time to just go faster

Inspection Sheets of Pitch of my products are available for the cleaver and chopper series by request for the speed freaks out there

ask the guys who have got them

Nothing like being able to BLUEPRINT your engineered prop

Jim

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[ABC PROPS]

Well this is not a infomercial Ken

This is about Copyright Law and Business Ethics

If this Hobby is to progress

We need New products Right

We need advancement with Tech

New tech brings progress

Good for everybody

Copying Brings nothing to the table

It ******* this

why do people not get this

Profit only?

That is not helping the sport to advance

Now is it

Jim

 

[wayne middlemiss]

Better to gather up the sheep and get the flock outa here ,rather than going on and on about nothing, next thing your God and can solve all world problems, childish excrete.

 

[ozbryan]

You have good business ethics Jim ☺

 

[Kris Flynn]

You still typing Jim?

Dont remember saying I would sell?

Cost to setup and duplicate becu props?

For $20ea? What idiot would bother?

couldn't resist

 

[ABC PROPS]

Kris

You still have not answered my question

If you can make better props

Then why can you not make them from the start

Show your engineering data to the people

Why does COCR even have to advertise making copies to sell products for profit

Sorry you got pissed off for calling you out

But the Truth still lies on the table

Design and Build it yourself People if you want to profit from your products

That is legal business with ethics

Stop copying my products

Stop using my trademark name

Stop using my own part numbers

Come up with your own and put some effort into it

 

[Kris Flynn]

 

[rumrunner]

The only copies of abc props is aqua craft grimracer prop and I guess they have your permission or made by you, all racers mod your props in one way or another . Just by sharping or balancing the prop is different than you sell it . So your getting mad at Kris for saying he can make the prop better is up to you but if you choose to do that shouldn't you be mad at all the prop guys ( mark ,Andy ,props west , etc.)

Not trying to piss you off just trying to understand .

 

[dave roach]

Rumrunner

The Grimracer props are made by Jim at ABC props.

 

[Andy Greene]

Never mind, your not even close to worth it

 

[rumrunner]

Rumrunner

The Grimracer props are made by Jim at ABC props.

Ok

 

[dwilfong]

I have bin fallowing this and it is a most interesting tread.

I think what the point is that if you have a prop worked it is just that a worked prop.

The prop was still sourced from the original vendor.

Working a prop from a vendor and selling your services to that prop do not take advantage of that original vendor as you obtain that prop from them.

Now you have a one off copy made of a worked prop for your own use that is your choice.

But to have that prop reproduced in quantity for every one to buy is not a good practice as you are making profit from both the modifiers and the vendors work.

That is what I see as the problem with what is being done.

Full size racing boat have the same problems with hull designs. Now if you change a % of the original design it is not a infringement in legal terms.

Not sure if this would apply to RC boat props.

But still dose not seam to be a good ethical practice.

Just my .02

David

 

[Gator 340]

You guys need to go do your laundrey else where. Crap like this is What's killing the hobby.

-Tony

 

[Gator 340]

You guys need to go do your laundrey else where. Crap like this is What's killing the hobby.

-Tony

For those of you who have never met Kris, you will be hard pressed to meet a more stand-up, genuine, sincere individual. Kris supplies shafts and his own designed hull, the Dragon series, to the hobby. Years of tweaking and perfecting going into both areas, built from scratch, a Kris Flynn original design.

To read him being accused of splashing a prop? Crazy. Not only would that be the last thing I could ever believe to hear said about him, but that's not even possible.

From what I know of Kris, he is not affiliated with the Cocr props, as far as the molding and selling of such props, he doesn't even work for them. His statement was clearly sarcastic, I doubt he expected anyone to take it serious.

I agree with my brother, posts like these hurt more than they help. We are already a small group of the RC world as it is, there is no need for such divisions.

Lock it down, move on. Any further posts would be redundant to what has already been said.

-Mitch

 

[ABC PROPS]

Rumrunner I am not mad or upset at Kris at all

I have no reason to be

He seems to be the one along with others who are upset here

All I did was merely state the fact of his posts The Man's own words of intent to Copy

Now Like Gator states that it was just clearly sarcastic

before it was a Joke

Now which one is it Funny or Sarcastic hard to be the same

Kris really can be the stand up Guy that everybody seems to say that he is

and I am probably sure he really is and good for the hobby and a really good person, great family guy, etc.

Kris's integrity is not what is in question here and was never stated to be

Its his statements of intent are

MAYBE HE SHOULD JUST CLARIFY HIS STATEMENTS THEN

I guess only anger and hostility comes out when it was just a mere joke

I Just don't get this humor at all

but Like Dave says

does not seem to be a good ethical practice

is simply just true

but to take it one step more

By using my Name and part numbers also to promote the sale of copied products for profit is

just simply out of line

Not only is the copying wrong here

changes or not

Which I know for a fact that many have not been changed at all that have been copied

As they sit on my Desk

but to use My Name and part numbers for promotion for sale of profitable item

wow

Now

I have never accused him of anything more then what he stated himself

The man made it very clear of intent- joke or sarcasm or mistake

and as for people taking it serious

The post stating

Why would we need you to just copy it

Means that people do expect him to be serious

As it has been done before

Jim