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[izitbrokeyet?]

Good point Ken,

Maybe it’s wishful thinking but: I thinking that we'll find that the type of people who spoil others post don’t typically have the wherewithal to post their own topic, and provide the facts to support their own point of view. That would take too much effort, and would require something lacking in allot of the attacks (the facts).

 

[Ron Jefferson]

Why do people get caught up in attitudes, opinions or points of view? These are nothing more than views or thoughts of individuals. None of which should be perceived as right or wrong. Just someone expressing their feelings on something they believe in.

You can't fault a person for saying what they think when given an open forum to express themselves. Nor can you slam them for stating their point of view. Instead, we all need to stay open minded and focused on what this and any other forum is intended for.... Learning and interacting with others that share the same passion as yourself.

Lets keep it that way.

Ron

 

[dave roach]

good point Ron and will said

 

[Rickracer]

Well, here's another vote for a read only FAQ with an edited version of the bearing maintenance thread, pinned for all to learn from. Jim's (JRCBD) has a section like that, and you can spend weeks trying to absorb all the great info contained there. Some other good candidates would be the 100+ mph thread, Scratch Boat Building, Share your tips!, Reading plugs, Bearings Reference, in PDF Format, and a few others. These would be a great start for a permanant knowledge base. As far as editing and/or deleting posts, it should be up to the moderator to determine what is trash talking (good natured or constructive) and what is simply not necessary. He is the man ultimately responsible for setting the tone and modicum of behavior for the site. Unfortunately, that often puts him in the position of being a babysitter on some sites, but it is sometimes necessary to maintain the integrity of the site. In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along???" B)

 

[spd-props]

I have read all the posts on this thread, and was wondering if it was possible to create a sub level to the general boating discussions (or somewhere else) that provided a permanent place to disagree. If its not possible to eliminate the negative, perhaps it may be a good idea to keep it all in one place. If the administrator feels a comment is inappropriate, the comment(s) could be moved. This way any posts deemed "off topic" could still be viewed and responded to and the main topic could maintain is constructive coarse.

Steve

 

[Brad Christy]

Guys,

Here's another thought: When an individual starts a thread, they generally have a purpose in mind. Leave it up to them to maintain the topical path. There have been a number of topics started in the last couple months that got dragged WAY off topic and turned into a shouting match, not by others, but by the person who started the thread. Kevin let his "bearing Maintainence" thread go south by joining in the fray. Kevin's Fault. Preston lost interest in the meat of the matter in his "How-to/70MPH Hydro" thread and more interested in defending the fact that it was HIS post. Preston's fault. My own thread about the topics of discussion on the Listbot got turned into my defending Marty's intentions for starting the topics. MY FAULT. Others are guilty, I'm not here to single anyone out or point fingers.

When a speaker is behind the podium and someone in the audience starts heckling them, we don't see the speaker jumping down off the stage and strangling the heckler, do we? Maybe on blooper tapes or gag reels, but nobody of any dignity and integrity should allow themselves to be dragged down to that level.

One other thing: It has been said that there are many ways to skin a cat. Nobody has the right to think that their knife is the only one sharp enough. If there is a difference of opinion, leave it at that. This is not the Crusades, and we are not here to convert anyone to our way of thinking. If your are genuinely trying to be constructive, don't let someone else's differing opinion divert the intent of your point. Just acknowledge the difference (or not) and move on. You never know, even though you might have thought you knew it all, you just may learn a little something. I know I have.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components

BlackJack Hydros

 

[tracerbob]

I was thinking along the lines that if you want to start an open debate on one of the subjects in the "how to" section, that it should be separate. The main thing here is to keep an open mind.

 

[tracerbob]

How about a "how to" section that is read only.  No replies, no comments.  If someone wants to "slam", they'll have to start a new thread.  Just a thought.

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But if a person is able to slam by starting a new post does that not defeat the purpose. Isn't the idea to eliminate slaming all together?? <_<

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One thing about a separate post....you don't have to read it.

 

[izitbrokeyet?]

Yea....I think it's best to just start another thread rather than deal with a disagreement in a thread. Some of the people on this board apparently aren’t satisfied with keeping their disagreement on the board, and want to talk about people's home's & such in veiled threats. for example: I recently received the following PM from some whak-job on this board associated with the bearing thread:

" Now if you do not know who I am you need "think" before you keep this up Kevin Bulifant at 5601 Del Park Court in Va. Beach VA 23455.

Anyway....some nuts just won’t stay in their shell. <_< As a result, I'm of the opinion that it's better to put the onus on the disagreeing party to start a new thread with their version of the facts, rather than allow the conflict on the board.

 

[Dan_Cousin]

I think its simple enough.

When a thread get WAY out of hand. Simply have the moderator lock the thread to revent replies and close the discussion.

Once readers are aware of this, they can call for a lock.

An FAQ section would be a great idea!

I don't know if this site can be programmed to do this but how about adding a [Nonimate for FAQ] button to each topic in the gneral discussion. If more than 10 (arbitrary number) different users nominate it for FAQ status, gets that thread copied over to the FAQ.

what chyaull think?

 

[Rickracer]

adding a [Nonimate for FAQ] button to each topic in the gneral discussion. If more than 10 (arbitrary number) different users nominate it for FAQ status, gets that thread copied over to the FAQ.

Good idea. This would be an excellent mechanism for building a permanant knowledge base. B)

 

[Preston_Hall]

Here's another thought: When an individual starts a thread, they generally have a purpose in mind. Leave it up to them to maintain the topical path.

When you figure out how to do that then tell all the school bus drivers so they can keep the 4 year olds quiet.

Preston lost interest in the meat of the matter in his "How-to/70MPH Hydro" thread and more interested in defending the fact that it was HIS post. Preston's fault.

Lost interest or wasn't going to fight it? My fault? Yes, I can get stupid too. It was MY post and as a matter of fact the only person here who ever visually represented the complete setup for an exceptional boat.

When a speaker is behind the podium and someone in the audience starts heckling them, we don't see the speaker jumping down off the stage and strangling the heckler, do we?

NO! We see them get escorted out of the room. That would interpret to "moderated" here. I guess some would like to see that.

If your are genuinely trying to be constructive, don't let someone else's differing opinion divert the intent of your point.

But if the galss is half empty, go ahead and let the "hecklers" be destructive and ruin a good thread for the entire class. Yes, you could ignore them and the problem might go away, however, I think that is like thinking a leaking pipe might go away.

I recently received the following PM from some whak-job on this board associated with the bearing thread:

" Now if you do not know who I am you need "think" before you keep this up Kevin Bulifant at 5601 Del Park Court in Va. Beach VA 23455.

And then these "hecklers", harmless "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me" guys resort to this B.S.

 

[TomMoorehouse]

I learned a long time ago that some people have this huge drive to be "Top Dog". When it comes to racers.... I think my wife said it best at a race a few years back. She said "Man, it's like everyone has to be #1". The measure of the greatness of a man is not if they can win an arguement on the iwaters forum.

 

[Rickracer]

Going back to your first post on this thread Tom.....

It's a shame that so many great informative posts lately have been destroyed or discredited. This forum is really taking off and attracting new blood into the hobby. I don't think many will stick around long with that kind of crap.

I couldn't agree more. The best cure for this is a little moderator editing and/or deleting posts. It doesn't take too long for folks to realize what can and will be tolarated and what will not. I participate heavily on another boating forum, ScreamandFly.com, which, in about 8 years, has become huge(over 12,000 members), to the point of industry altering status, and inflammatory or bashing posts are edited or deleted almost immediately, and if that sort of behavior continues, the users account is suspended. The family friendly way that the site has been moderated has contributed immensely to the growth of the site, and the sport. I have met, gone boating with, and hung out with a large number of people specifically because of Scream and Fly, that I never would have met otherwise. Users that have a beef with each other are encouraged to take their discussion private, to email or other means of communication. A certain amount of discussion is healthy, and often brings out facts or opinions that may be very enlightening. When it starts getting threatening, personal, nasty, or bashing, it is no longer healty, nor beneficial. If the thread has to be deleted, it is all bandwidth gone to waste for nothing.

 

[Brad Christy]

Preston,

There is ALOT of room between Draconian Law and total anarcy. I'd be one of the last ones to tell Tom how to run his site, but.......... In my opinion, some moderation is in order here, even if it means getting my own hand slapped on occasion (although, I do TRY to limit my "slap-worthy" comments unless provoked).

Tom,

I whole heartedly agree. It also seems as though there are some who can't accept constructive criticism for what it is or admit any fault, no matter the circumstances. It has become very apparent to me over the past couple months that nothing good will come from any thread unless the self-proclaimed "legends" are in total agreement. I have lately started using the PM venue for replying to some posts. It seems to be a better way of communicating. I think I'll increase my useage of it.

'Nuff said by me.

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components

BlackJack Hydros

 

[Rickracer]

One of my favorite sayings is "There are 2 sides to every story.......and the truth is generally somewhere in the middle." Differing opinions can exist in the same thread, as long as people don't feel the need to try to discredit anyone with a opinion differing from theirs. With tolerance of the viewpoints of others often comes a greater understanding of the matter at hand, no matter what the subject. Everything isn't always black or white, there is lots of gray out there as well.

BTW, just to make sure there is no confusion, I would never attempt to tell anyone how to run their site, just trying to offer some suggestions based on what I have seen work well on other forums. I still think a permanent FAQ is a great idea. Sincerely, Rick

 

[Preston_Hall]

There is ALOT of room between Draconian Law and total anarcy.

I am not that smart. :lol:

 

[Brad Christy]

I am not that smart.

Preston,

Yes you are............

Thanks. Brad.

Titan Racing Components

BlackJack Hydros

 

[steve speas]

I learned a long time ago that some people have this huge drive to be "Top Dog". When it comes to racers.... I think my wife said it best at a race a few years back. She said "Man, it's like everyone has to be #1". The measure of the greatness of a man is not if they can win an arguement on the iwaters forum.

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tom, the subject of this thread is the reason that you dont hear from me very much!!

i left martys group because of the "stupid stuff",,,, i dont have the time to defend the way i do things. i dont type fast enough also. like maybe instead of measureing how many posts a guy has,hi don :lol: , he should post how many trouphys or, wins @ the nats, or records he has on the wall then the new people can tell who really knows what he is doing!!!!!

steve speas

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[BobH]

I learned a long time ago that some people have this huge drive to be "Top Dog". When it comes to racers.... I think my wife said it best at a race a few years back. She said "Man, it's like everyone has to be #1". The measure of the greatness of a man is not if they can win an arguement on the iwaters forum.

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tom, the subject of this thread is the reason that you dont hear from me very much!!

i left martys group because of the "stupid stuff",,,, i dont have the time to defend the way i do things. i dont type fast enough also. like maybe instead of measureing how many posts a guy has,hi don :lol: , he should post how many trouphys or, wins @ the nats, or records he has on the wall then the new people can tell who really knows what he is doing!!!!!

steve speas

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Good post Steve! five years

-Bob