A word about LSO

[drobie]

I'll take the heat for this if anyone wants to dish it out.

The minimum hull length for LSO should have been 25", not 26 as stated in the proposal just voted in. District 4 will be submitting an amendment for a vote in the July Propwash.

Fortunately, it shouldn't cause too much of a hassle for this season because it's too late to run it at this years Nats.

It also seems that clubs and regional races will always run what they want regardless of what the NAMBA rules say.

If clubs are interested in promoting the class, you might want to consider using 25" has an effective minimum.

I doubt the change will be voted down. It makes a few more hulls legal in the class without adding a competitive advantage.

 

[TRUCKPULL]

Doug

Please tell us what hulls are legal in the class, with all the angle rules and all.

Seeing that my El Lobo is not.

Why 25" not 24" Why any MIN. for 12 cell.

Here is the boat that the El Lobo was modeled after. Why is it not legal.

What are you guys out west afraid of???

Larry

 

[Kevin Whitehead]

Doug
Please tell us what hulls are legal in the class, with all the angle rules and all.

Seeing that my El Lobo is not.

Why 25" not 24" Why any MIN. for 12 cell.

Here is the boat that the El Lobo was modeled after. Why is it not legal.

What are you guys out west afraid of???

Larry

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Because a rule is a rule, Larry. Don't you remember?

From 3-26-05:

[The rule is 24"

It will stay 24" until all NAMBA members vote on it.

A poll here may be 90% NON Members.

Sorry ED But a Rule is a Rule.

Same goes for the 29" Rule for "Q" Sport.

Larry]

KW

 

[brooks93]

LOL Kevin

 

[TRUCKPULL]

Doug
Please tell us what hulls are legal in the class, with all the angle rules and all.

Larry

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THe manufactures do not list there botom angles.

and we know that we can not trust there length listing.

So what hulls are legal????

Larry

 

[jayt]

So what hulls are legal????

Obviously they would be the new hulls that the Michigan guys are building for sale.....

 

[T.S.Davis]

So what hulls are legal????

Obviously they would be the new hulls that the Michigan guys are building for sale.....

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Jay, you sure you want to accuse me of that?

Your WAY!!!! out of line with that one.

 

[brooks93]

Jay

I think your comment is way way off base.. I sure hope that was a joke and if it was its done in very bad taste. Terry didn't and wasn't envolved in the writing of the LSO rules

 

[Al Waters]

Hmmmmmm. I guess that I will be a very busy person at the Nats.



Al Waters

NAMBA Vice President

NAMBA Scale Unlimited Chairman

 

[Kevin Whitehead]

Al,

LSO won't add anything to the NATS workload, this year. It isn't included since it just passed the vote.

KW

 

[jayt]

I sure hope that was a joke and if it was its done in very bad taste. 

Most folks would have noticed the smiley at end of the post...why didn't you? :unsure:
Since no one had even bothered to answer Truck's question (which he asked repeatedly), I had hoped to provoke a response. Instead of that, you shoot the messenger. Instead of being so sensitive to perceived criticism, why not fix the problem? Is all this really the best way to promote your new class?

 

[brooks93]

nope noticed the smile but, with the rolling eyes I dont' take it as a joke.

hmm must be you didn't noticed Trucks question was answered on another board

Instead of being so sensitive to perceived criticism, why not fix the problem?

So Jay you tore me a new one for asking you about a boat that was being said should be offshore and you want to accuse me of missing something or being to sensitive.

Gee maybe you missed it where Drobie said he was fixing the problem.

Is all this really the best way to promote your new class?

what you mean correcting somebody that appeared to be making a off base remark about how one person that makes boats is padding his pockets with money by keeping out other hulls..

 

[T.S.Davis]

Doug
Please tell us what hulls are legal in the class, with all the angle rules and all.

Seeing that my El Lobo is not.

Why 25" not 24" Why any MIN. for 12 cell.

Here is the boat that the El Lobo was modeled after. Why is it not legal.

What are you guys out west afraid of???

Larry

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Oh stop it Larry. The Lobo was not modeled after that boat. It is a pretty good arguement for no freeboard requirement though. Photos like that are the reason there are no freeboard requirements in the new offshore rules that just passed.

LSO is limited. As in limits of some sort. Freeboard and length. LSH has limits too. Why 12 cells? Why not 18? Why not limit the prop choices and make it really even racing? Why not hand out motors? Why not make the length 20"? We could why not the thing to death. In fact Doug did do his homework on it about a year ago with a "what would you like" type pole.

Here's a few hulls though

Titan29, Triton, Syncron, Turbo mono, FDM32, Fiat UNO, Titan40, Scorpion, Challenger, Mean Machine, Scat32, Patriot, Aquajet? (vee might be too shallow), ElectroVee, Systems.

I know ther are more but I can't think of them at the moment.

I wonder if anyone knows anything about that boat in the picture. Sweet looking ride. Looks like it's stepped too.

 

[drobie]

DougPlease tell us what hulls are legal in the class, with all the angle rules and all.

Seeing that my El Lobo is not.

Why 25" not 24" Why any MIN. for 12 cell.

Here is the boat that the El Lobo was modeled after. Why is it not legal.

What are you guys out west afraid of???

Larry

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It's a spec class Larry and was voted in by a 3-1 margin.

We polled over 25 people, mostly racers who run LSO, and asked the question: Should "surfboard" monos be excluded from the class?

2 voted to allow the shallow monos. One of the "no" votes came from a vendor who sells a hull that is now illegal in the class.

Here's a list I came up with:

Graupner Electro Vee

BBY Oval Master (when the change to 25" is complete)

FDM Turbo Mono

FDM Offshore

Titan 29

Triton

ABC Super Hawaii

H&M Drifter S

BBY Scat Cat

PIP Synchron

H&M Streamer

H2O Racing Sidewinder

Graupner Systems Cat

I was just told that the Cen Aquajet jet doesn't meet the "deep vee" angle.

Aside from you Larry, the only other dissent I heard was from someone who said the deadrise would kill a lot of boats and that newbies couldn't figure it out because vendors don't publish the angle information.

2 popular mono hulls are "killed". The El Lobo and the No Step. As for remaining choices? Look at the list. Are there that many hulls available for LSH?

As for vendors? It's about time we started holding them accountable. If they want to sell LSO setups, let them tech the hulls and market them as LSO legal.

Didn't we learn anything from the Viper fiasco?

I know of one designer who is now working on a hull just for this class. My kind of guy and I'm looking forward to writing him a check.

 

[TRUCKPULL]

Doug

Thank you for all the information.

My main question was about length.

With all the talk before about changing, or not even having length restrictions in the Sport classes.

There are no restrictions in Mono or Hydro classes.

I think LOS will be a very good class, we have run a Spec class up here in Toronto also for the last five years or so.

12 cell, 700 motor (SS1)

No hull restrictions on bottom or freeboard.

But we do have a 24” MIN.

I was going to change to a different hull this year, I was thinking of the No Step. Now I will wait to see what else comes out.

Larry