That's easy, just fire up a twin & see how fast people bring their boats in. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:try doing 80 mph on OPEN water ...
any town any day ... LOL's
JasonThat's easy, just fire up a twin & see how fast people bring their boats in. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:try doing 80 mph on OPEN water ...
any town any day ... LOL's
what i find funny in Ausssie racing just from watching ., is the top boats are ALL around the 1 minuite heat times.
pauls 21's & 45's are running 1.02's most of the twins run 1.02's and the gas riggers aer right at the door with runs around 102's
Has anyone gone under regularily under a minuite heat yet in AU ??
I think it doesnt matter what hull , lets get that minuite broken , share the info out , and let everyone have a crack at how far under that magic minuite we can go .. ( sorry i was dreaming , i have woken up now..)
its funny all the heli pilots openly share their setups willingly to all who are curious , and want to try ,
in boats its still alot of silence that comes back when you ask the sensative questions of a really good setup.. :huh:
different forums different people , its funny but my chopper's are much better setup than my boats ,.
i use and recommend your props mark , they are great , but i am still along way of that minuite heat ..even with shoboat props.
i could fly it in under a minuite , but to get a boat there takes some serious setup..
one day someone will cry , where did all the racers go ?? , answer : to other hobbys.
as Ned Kelly said " Such Is Life "
Jase
You got that right brad.. and allan waddle got second at huntsville in 20 hydro with a black bird 3rd time out for the year.. not bad..Tim,
Dave and I are running kit-form BlackJack's, MAC's with OPS 3280 pipes (I think Dave's is the K copy, which is probably better than the original) and (almost) stock H-10's. I know we are both running WWWWAAAYYY over 70 MPH at home running solo, on a long SAW from the deep end of turn 4 through the front stretch. What we are running in heat racing, I don't know. Normally, I'm running about 3/4 throttle and plenty fast enough to outpace the rest of the crowd. The only time this whole summer I had to fully open it up was in the last heat of the Masters, when I was 100 pts behind Dave and I wanted a run-off REAL bad. Sadly, it wasn't to be. We are both running well enough to have taken 1st and 2nd at EVERY race we attended this year (which wasn't very many for me ).
By most accounts, Chris's Blackbird is the most decorated. US-1 this year. Speed and consistancy were the contributing factors. Indy Masters last year. It's just a shame (for me) that I was having radio problems and couldn't keep my race program together well enough to give him a run for it.
The truth of the matter is that there are several boats in "production" at the moment that are capable of mid 70's heat racing, that are strikingly similar in appearance and fairly evenly priced. Pick your poison. Set it up correctly, power it appropriately and I don't think it matters which one you buy. The thing to look for, though, is the accomplishments of those that have bought the boats, not just what the builders have done with their own boats..........
Thanks. Brad.
Titan Racing Components
BlackJack Hydros
point is. you must decide for yourself what you want. not what someone else wants you to have. alot has to do with you particualar set ups and props motors ect.
i am sure all are good boats.. just look at the details.
chris Chris. I took 1st at Huntsville in 20-hydro with my SGX. Racing conditions were poor. Lots of wind and ruff water. I am looking forward to building your boat. Hopefully it will be ready to race in the spring. The SGX will have to do battle in Slidell!!!!!! They have a great 20 hydro race called GO For The Silver. The top 6 20 hydros race for the big trophy. If you are looking to get out of the corn fields and the snow and cold weather come to Slidell first weekend in Nov for a great race. NO NOISE issues. Doc
You got that right brad.. and allan waddle got second at huntsville in 20 hydro with a black bird 3rd time out for the year.. not bad..Tim,
Dave and I are running kit-form BlackJack's, MAC's with OPS 3280 pipes (I think Dave's is the K copy, which is probably better than the original) and (almost) stock H-10's. I know we are both running WWWWAAAYYY over 70 MPH at home running solo, on a long SAW from the deep end of turn 4 through the front stretch. What we are running in heat racing, I don't know. Normally, I'm running about 3/4 throttle and plenty fast enough to outpace the rest of the crowd. The only time this whole summer I had to fully open it up was in the last heat of the Masters, when I was 100 pts behind Dave and I wanted a run-off REAL bad. Sadly, it wasn't to be. We are both running well enough to have taken 1st and 2nd at EVERY race we attended this year (which wasn't very many for me ).
By most accounts, Chris's Blackbird is the most decorated. US-1 this year. Speed and consistancy were the contributing factors. Indy Masters last year. It's just a shame (for me) that I was having radio problems and couldn't keep my race program together well enough to give him a run for it.
The truth of the matter is that there are several boats in "production" at the moment that are capable of mid 70's heat racing, that are strikingly similar in appearance and fairly evenly priced. Pick your poison. Set it up correctly, power it appropriately and I don't think it matters which one you buy. The thing to look for, though, is the accomplishments of those that have bought the boats, not just what the builders have done with their own boats..........
Thanks. Brad.
Titan Racing Components
BlackJack Hydros
point is. you must decide for yourself what you want. not what someone else wants you to have. alot has to do with you particualar set ups and props motors ect.
i am sure all are good boats.. just look at the details.
chris Chris. I took 1st at Huntsville in 20-hydro with my SGX. Racing conditions were poor. Lots of wind and ruff water. I am looking forward to building your boat. Hopefully it will be ready to race in the spring. The SGX will have to do battle in Slidell!!!!!! They have a great 20 hydro race called GO For The Silver. The top 6 20 hydros race for the big trophy. If you are looking to get out of the corn fields and the snow and cold weather come to Slidell first weekend in Nov for a great race. NO NOISE issues. Doc
Jason,what i find funny in Ausssie racing just from watching ., is the top boats are ALL around the 1 minuite heat times.
pauls 21's & 45's are running 1.02's most of the twins run 1.02's and the gas riggers aer right at the door with runs around 102's
Has anyone gone under regularily under a minuite heat yet in AU ??
I think it doesnt matter what hull , lets get that minuite broken , share the info out , and let everyone have a crack at how far under that magic minuite we can go .. ( sorry i was dreaming , i have woken up now..)
its funny all the heli pilots openly share their setups willingly to all who are curious , and want to try ,
in boats its still alot of silence that comes back when you ask the sensative questions of a really good setup.. :huh:
different forums different people , its funny but my chopper's are much better setup than my boats ,.
i use and recommend your props mark , they are great , but i am still along way of that minuite heat ..even with shoboat props.
i could fly it in under a minuite , but to get a boat there takes some serious setup..
one day someone will cry , where did all the racers go ?? , answer : to other hobbys.
as Ned Kelly said " Such Is Life "
Jase
Hi Folks..
Every time this 20 hull question comes up, one great hull is overlooked, the 3.5 Hawk. I have a 3 year old Hawk that was built from the Dumas kit, and with exception of the rear sponsons, I used all of the wood in the kit.
Here's some highlights of it's track record - 2005 NAMBA A Hydro National Champion, 1st place 2006 Atlanta Spring Nats (perfect score), 1st place 2006 Mendota Ill (18 B Hydros at this race), turns 11 second laps withs ease, and heat races in the mid to upper 60s. All of this was done, (with exception of a GERAGHTY carb and an Orlick head), with a box stock Nova Rossi LS. This thing drives like it's on rails.
Am I saying that it's better than all of the others mentioned here, not at all. I will say that it's just as good as the rest, and the track record proves it, and you can have one for a lot less cash.
The down side to the 3.5 Hawk is the fact that you have to put a little effort into it, and build it yourself. There are mods that you need to put into it when you build it, but that information is easily attainable. The plus side of this is that you know what you have from the ground up. Say you stick a sponson into a bouy going 70 mph and snap the sponson in half (LOL), you just build a new one instead of waiting for the manufacturer to get a pair out to you and charging you an arm and a leg.
The bottom line is that the 3.5 Hawk may not be the 20 hydro for everyone because you have to build it, but one built with the right numbers is just as good as anything out there. Just another option, that's been overlooked!
Thanks,
Steve Ball
BTW, I'm building a new Hawk for next season, and after I get some paint on the new right sponson, the above mentioned hull will be for sale.
Hi Larry Jr..Hi Folks..
Every time this 20 hull question comes up, one great hull is overlooked, the 3.5 Hawk. I have a 3 year old Hawk that was built from the Dumas kit, and with exception of the rear sponsons, I used all of the wood in the kit.
Here's some highlights of it's track record - 2005 NAMBA A Hydro National Champion, 1st place 2006 Atlanta Spring Nats (perfect score), 1st place 2006 Mendota Ill (18 B Hydros at this race), turns 11 second laps withs ease, and heat races in the mid to upper 60s. All of this was done, (with exception of a GERAGHTY carb and an Orlick head), with a box stock Nova Rossi LS. This thing drives like it's on rails.
Am I saying that it's better than all of the others mentioned here, not at all. I will say that it's just as good as the rest, and the track record proves it, and you can have one for a lot less cash.
The down side to the 3.5 Hawk is the fact that you have to put a little effort into it, and build it yourself. There are mods that you need to put into it when you build it, but that information is easily attainable. The plus side of this is that you know what you have from the ground up. Say you stick a sponson into a bouy going 70 mph and snap the sponson in half (LOL), you just build a new one instead of waiting for the manufacturer to get a pair out to you and charging you an arm and a leg.
The bottom line is that the 3.5 Hawk may not be the 20 hydro for everyone because you have to build it, but one built with the right numbers is just as good as anything out there. Just another option, that's been overlooked!
Thanks,
Steve Ball
BTW, I'm building a new Hawk for next season, and after I get some paint on the new right sponson, the above mentioned hull will be for sale.
Steve, your Hawk is a very fast boat, I took a good look at it at Mendota, you do great work, with attention to detail. Great runnin boat!
Larry Jr.
We have a 20 boat here that heat races at 78 MPH in race water and seems to lose nnooooooo speed in the corners.
OK so in the intrest of everyone racing 21 riggers if feel he should sit down and do some how to videos,
Ill buy them , where do i send the money .
There's a challenge for him
Jason
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