Pinned Events

[Tim Kish]

In the interest of being fair to all the clubs that are trying to hold races through out the season I think we need to keep the pinned Events to a minimum so everyone has a fair chance of being seen.

It seems to me that there is no real formula for what is being pinned , the Gas Nationals , NAMBA Nats and IMPBA Nats should be not sure why anything else is.

Am I way off here?

Tim

 

[RodneyPierce]

I dont see any issue with the way it is currently. If there was a full page of pinned events, then yes. But it seems that there is only 4 or 5 currently pinned?

I dont have a dog in this hunt, thats just an outsider looking in.

 

[Tim Kish]

I dont see any issue with the way it is currently. If there was a full page of pinned events, then yes. But it seems that there is only 4 or 5 currently pinned?

I dont have a dog in this hunt, thats just an outsider looking in.

Problem is Rodney that only one of the events pinned is a National event making it something a little more special than regular events.

Pinning the others give them a sense of importants when they are regular races just like all the others , they may be more popular or better supported but they are not National races..

Were do you draw the line?

Tim

 

[SayMikey]

I agree

 

[RodneyPierce]

ah, I get yah Tim. You have a good point.

 

[Andy Greene]

I agree to some extent , but in the long run- those are pretty much National level events -Hobart-Voodoo-Namba Nats and Fall Nats= MAJOR RACES. Wanna keep your club race near the top= Promote it, create conversation and interest , sell your race. Not trying to be a prick, just sharing my feelings on how you keep your event in the "limelight" so to speak- generate more interest and improved entries are a direct result also. Search some of the BMB events and see how much chatter there is amongst active people on the board prior to our events

 

[Ron Jefferson]

Tim,

I thought there was a decision made on this a while back. Maybe I'm wrong???

Ron

 

[Tim Kish]

Tim,

I thought there was a decision made on this a while back. Maybe I'm wrong???

Ron

So did I Ron , kinda why I brought it up.

Let interest dictate whats on page one , pin the National events only ?

Tim

 

[Don Ferrette]

Events that get pinned- Spring Nats, Northern Nats, Internats, Fall Nats, Gas Nats, Winter Nats, NAMBA Nats and Hobart. Hobart, which BTW is actually the IndyMasters, gets pinned simply because it is the only race of it's kind that has such a large draw from both orgs bringing racers from all over and outside the country. The VooDoo race is there because certain parties lobbied Tom and it was agreed to pin it unless there was negative feedback, it is the only exception to what was decided over a year ago and I am getting flak about it so it may get unpinned. The rest are a lock and while there is no pleasing everyone, this is how it will be.

 

[Tim Kish]

Events that get pinned- Spring Nats, Northern Nats, Internats, Fall Nats, Gas Nats, Winter Nats, NAMBA Nats and Hobart. Hobart, which BTW is actually the IndyMasters, gets pinned simply because it is the only race of it's kind that has such a large draw from both orgs bringing racers from all over and outside the country. The VooDoo race is there because certain parties lobbied Tom and it was agreed to pin it unless there was negative feedback, it is the only exception to what was decided over a year ago and I am getting flak about it so it may get unpinned. The rest are a lock and while there is no pleasing everyone, this is how it will be.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree , I just don't see the reason for pinning anything other than National events unless your trying to help create hype about them which I beleive is not fair to all the other Events being held.

Like I said let interest dictate what is on page one.

Tim

 

[Blackout]

On another note, what makes a national event? Just adding the word "Nationals" , or direct sponsorship from either NAMBA or IMPBA?

Anyways, here is last year's thread....

http://www.intlwaters.com/index.php?showtopic=45886&hl=%20pinned%20%20races&st=0

I'm with Tim, only pin the true National events. The other large events will be bumped many times anyways.....

 

[CC Racing Engines]

Events that get pinned- Spring Nats, Northern Nats, Internats, Fall Nats, Gas Nats, Winter Nats, NAMBA Nats and Hobart. Hobart, which BTW is actually the IndyMasters, gets pinned simply because it is the only race of it's kind that has such a large draw from both orgs bringing racers from all over and outside the country. The VooDoo race is there because certain parties lobbied Tom and it was agreed to pin it unless there was negative feedback, it is the only exception to what was decided over a year ago and I am getting flak about it so it may get unpinned. The rest are a lock and while there is no pleasing everyone, this is how it will be.

Don,I requested from Tom that the VooDoo race get pinned and if you guys have decided that only races with the words National in there title deserve that honor then I will quietly agree to the rules you have set forth. If you are pinning a race from the amount of support they recieve from members of both organizations in and out of the Country then on behalf of my club I think that we deserve the right also to be pinned according to the statement you gave. Our World Championship race in November is definitely a National level race. We had almost 400 boats entered last year and are expecting more this year. We had IMPBA/NAMBA boaters from 13 different states and 3 different countries attending. We do a lot of promoting and have a website built just for this race http://www.voodoogas...mpionships.com/ . We have added a Nitro Twin Shootout class and also Open classes for Nitro, Gas and Electric to this year’s format. Our club I believe has the distinction of being the only club to host The IMPBA Gas Nationals (Twice) and the NAMBA Nationals.

I am really not trying to cause any trouble I respect your position and I do not want to start a huge debate, but I think we should be absolutely fair about this situation and currently it sure does not seem this way according to the statements you have posted above. I have been to almost all of the races you have mentioned in your post with the exception of Hobart and the Internats and they are all great races with great people running them. If races are only getting pinned that have Nationals in their name there will never be any other races that will get that distinction as the term Nationals from what I have been told will not be given out to anymore clubs no matter how big there races or how much support they get. That is a shame as I think there are races being held that are as big and have as much support then most of the races with Nationals in their name.

One of the reasons we have never requested from either organization for the rights to have our race called anything with National in the title is because in our opinion if you have earned the right to host a race with the title of a National event then the club hosting the event should follow National rules or why even call them a National event. One of the main reasons for a National event is so that people from all over will know that the rules are the same rules followed nationally for that organization. We decided to call our race The World Championships because we wanted to allow boaters from both organizations a place to come race where we could adjust rules from either organization to allow anyone and everyone who is a member of one of these organizations a race on a level playing field at the same place and time without a small hiccup in a certain rule stopping them. I was asked in another post if we would allow ZipKit Thunderboats to run? I am bringing it up at our club meeting next weekend and I will be really surprised if the answer is no after we vote as the guys in our club want everyone to be included. I don't feel that would be an option if we had the word National in our race title as in our opinion National events should follow National rules. This is just an opinion and If I am out of line with any of this then you have my sincerest apology.

 

[RodneyPierce]

In all honesty, it doesnt matter if ANY race is pinned or not. The most popular race's are going to get attention, and float to the top. Thats really all there is to it in my opinion.

 

[Don Ferrette]

Carlo, I'm guessing you didn't like the answer you got in my reply to your p/m and have decided to continue it in this thread. So that others know what I said in the p/m here it is- there is no other race anywhere that draws from all over and outside of the US as the IndyMasters, it is the reason it was grandfathered back then and is now. If it ever loses it's luster it will no longer get pinned. This was decided last year when the topic came up then, the IndyMasters (Hobart) is the only event that gets pinned without Nats in the name (it is also one of the oldest races still running in the country). I'm sorry you are not happy with it but as we all know you can't please everyone. I caught a good bit of flak over pinning your VooDoo race and going against what was agreed upon last year, I can't argue with the point those made to me that we need to stick to what was decided at that time. And lastly Rodney has made a great point- the most popular races are going to get the attention and stay at the top. We are done with this folks so it's time to give it a rest.

 

[CC Racing Engines]

Carlo, I'm guessing you didn't like the answer you got in my reply to your p/m and have decided to continue it in this thread. So that others know what I said in the p/m here it is- there is no other race anywhere that draws from all over and outside of the US as the IndyMasters, it is the reason it was grandfathered back then and is now. If it ever loses it's luster it will no longer get pinned. This was decided last year when the topic came up then, the IndyMasters (Hobart) is the only event that gets pinned without Nats in the name (it is also one of the oldest races still running in the country). I'm sorry you are not happy with it but as we all know you can't please everyone. I caught a good bit of flak over pinning your VooDoo race and going against what was agreed upon last year, I can't argue with the point those made to me that we need to stick to what was decided at that time. And lastly Rodney has made a great point- the most popular races are going to get the attention and stay at the top. We are done with this folks so it's time to give it a rest.

Don,Thanks for your reply and I will give it a rest.

 

[gooycheese]

In all fairness, the IMPBA has 3 National events:

1. Internats / Nitro Nats

2. Gas Nats

3. FE Nats

I assume Namba has races that are similar, which would be National events.

These should be the pinned races.

Yes there are some races that do draw many people from far and wide, and yes there are races with the title of a national event, but are they truly national events? Does the IMPBA or NAMBA have a financial stake or can a national title be won in these events like in the true national events?

fair is fair......

Just my opinion,

Paul

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