Making own fuel?

[Dorkhedeos]

Is there a way to mix your own fuel? Can you just buy nitromethane and oil and do some math and mix them with some other ingredients??

 

[Dorkhedeos]

Glow Fuel Mixing

 

[Saugling]

I think nitro and oil is not enough (but maybe a very very interesting mixture <_< )...I would suggest to add some methanol

I always mix my fuel at home...you can save a lot of money by doing this and you can start experimenting with nitro percentages and so on...

You only need some basic knowledge of mathematics (calculation of percentage)

 

[Stein Tumert]

Agree with Saugling. Done the same for many years. It is cheaper and you can make the mix (% of nitro you need) yourself (usually different nitro amount for the various engine sizes, temp etc).

Just make sure you get good quality ingredients, check with Andy Brown, Tidewater etc for recommendations.

Best regards,

Stein

 

[Saugling]

welcome Stein!

how are you? where are you at the moment? Norway / Germany (Hamburg / Herzogenaurach)???

do you have any riggers here? what about driving in the near future? we have to meet at the Kanal again I think!

Best regards

Robert

 

[Preston_Hall]

Sure you can. Get your nitro, methanol, and oil and decide what percent nitro and oil you want to run and you are done. I'll be opening a big door here, but for general heat racing purposes 12-15% oil from Morgan Fuels works fine. There are some "reported" diffrences in nitro, but again for general heat racing I doubt you will see a difference. Nitro can be stored for years and not go bad but methanol MUST BE FRESH and free of moisture. That is the most important factor. Don't be afraid to try, it isn't rocket science just rocket fuel. :lol:

For oil you can contact Morgan Fuels and get the green stuff.

 

[Dorkhedeos]

How much does it cost to make 5 gallons?

 

[Dorkhedeos]

Where is the cheapest place to buy the ingredients?

 

[Bill Zuber IMPBA]

WHat is the stuff called chinese nitro how is it different than regular nitro besides costing less?

 

[Allen Waddle]

Bill,

Refining and purity.

Allen

 

[Terry Keeley]

WHat is the stuff called chinese nitro how is it different than regular nitro besides costing less?

Not sure if it was just my imagination or not but when I tryed it during the nitro"crisis" a few years back I swore it ran hotter...

 

[Chris Attebery]

Was it nitromethane or nitroEthane? I know people were using nitroethane for a while but it doesn't burn the same.

Chris

 

[Bill Zuber IMPBA]

Just wondering if it would work okay it's only about $15 per gallon.

 

[Terry Keeley]

Was it nitromethane or nitroEthane? I know people were using nitroethane for a while but it doesn't burn the same.


Chris

Sure it was pure nitro, although it was the "synthetic" Chinese stuff. Ran some fuel with nitroethane in it years ago, what crap, almost burned up a good motor. <_< Nowadays I only run pure Angus nitro and pure M-1 racing methanol from VP fuels:

http://www.vpracingfuels.com/article.html?...eURL=2571658761

I get it in sealed 5 gallon pails so I know its fresh, cost on the nitro is less than $30 a gallon and the methanol about $5...

 

[Preston_Hall]

How much does it cost to make 5 gallons?

I use 60% nitro and 15% oil. 5 Gallons nitro makes 8.3 gallons of fuel. The most you should pay for nitro is $25/gal ($16/gal if you buy 55 gallon drum). I'll give you another hint. If you go pick it up yourself then take your own container. My supplier buys in 55 gallon drums. I can buy a 30 gallons nitro from him. He charges me for the brand new drum he gets from the warehouse and pumps from the 55 to the 30. So, you are paying for the 30 gallon drum. Same goes for most other quantities. Back to the point $25/gal nitro (5gallons makes 8.3 gallons fuel), $3/gal methanol (2 gallons), $20/gal oil (1 gallon makes 6.67 gallons fuel). $151 for 8.3 gallons = $18.20 per gallon. Now don't forget you still have oil left over. Buy nitro in quantity and save more.

Where is the cheapest place to buy the ingredients?

You have to shop around. Generally the shipping is what kills you. I drive three hours each way for mine. World Wide Racing Fuels

WHat is the stuff called chinese nitro how is it different than regular nitro besides costing less?

Some will say it isn't as good. I don't know personally, but I would be that for heat racing purposes you wouldn't see a difference.

Was it nitromethane or nitroEthane? I know people were using nitroethane for a while but it doesn't burn the same.

nitromethane

 

[Terry Keeley]

This is "China Nitro", right???

http://www.worldwideracingfuels.com/catalog_c30758.html

 

[ClayGlover]

I sure like the idea of knowing exactly what's in it. But shipping would kill any price break. If I could do mix for $18 a gallon locally I would. 55% thru 68% at the LHS is $26. I may have to check around. Hialeah speedway is 30 minutes away, Moroso is about an hour away, Seebring is two, and Daytona is three. Lots of race cars, carts, and bikes around here, so I'm pretty sure I can find the stuff h34r:

Preston,

Do you see better performance with 15% oil than say 18%? You told me you ran 12% in the .12 boat??? was that a typo? :blink:

 

[Preston_Hall]

I sure like the idea of knowing exactly what's in it. But shipping would kill any price break. If I could do mix for $18 a gallon locally I would. 55% thru 68% at the LHS is $26. I may have to check around. Hialeah speedway is 30 minutes away, Moroso is about an hour away, Seebring is two, and Daytona is three. Lots of race cars, carts, and bikes around here, so I'm pretty sure I can find the stuff
Preston,

Do you see better performance with 15% oil than say 18%? You told me you ran 12% in the .12 boat??? was that a typo? 

Shipping really isn't bad. I think it was $100 to have a 53 gal drum shipped to us. So the drum would cost $900 which is $17/gal. Still cheaper than buying 5 @$25. If you buy the Morgan oil then you will probably have a better product than what you get at the LHS.

I run 15% in all my boats just for a little added life span. I used 15% as a maximum usage. Kentley runs 12%. I tried 6% in the .12 and saw no difference at the time trials. NONE. I tried 3% and it didn't like it. :lol:

This is "China Nitro", right???

Correct. The other is Angus. And I could be wrong about performance diffrences. The Angus is sold for removing CA glues from hands and materials in industries. Works good.

 

[Don Ferrette]

This is "China Nitro", right???

Correct. The other is Angus. And I could be wrong about performance diffrences. The Angus is sold for removing CA glues from hands and materials in industries. Works good.

The "chinese nitro" distributed by WorldWide is actually purer than the nitro from Angus for the very reason Preston mentioned, Angus nitro is being sold & used as an industry solvent. :blink: