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Glenn Gates

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A friend has a large Mono(44 Calcraft/ CMB 101) and it almost dies in the straights and hauls like a boat possessed when it turns right. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Glenn
 
Pipe??

Pipe length??

Prop??

Surface drive? Sub-surface??

But it does sound like pipe too short, too lean, or too much prop. All of these will make the boat do what your describing.
 
Pipe??

Pipe length??

Prop??

Surface drive? Sub-surface??

But it does sound like pipe too short, too lean, or too much prop. All of these will make the boat do what your describing.

Pipe: MACS 15cc muffled

Pipe pulled out to 11.5"

Surface drive

Boat has run well in the past with same prop, pipe etc. Fuel tanks & lines look good. I think the only thing he has not checked is the remote needle. :unsure:

Thanks,

Glenn
 
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"I think the only thing he has not checked is the remote needle."

Would look at bearings also
Thanks Rick, I'll take a few new remote needles with me next weekend. Have CMB and O.S. 9B. Motor has about 7 months of run time on it. He does feed it 65% nitro and that seems excessive to me but he said the motor was modified for hi nitro by Mark Bullard. I checked the head clearance on the motor myself and it is set @ .016".

Glenn
 
way way to much nitro for that engine 40 % is all it needs. i would check the bearings too. it doesnt have to much prop on it if the engine will run better in a turn. i would try 12 inches on the pipe and an x460 3 blade prop with some cup added to it.
 
You might want to check the strut hight and angle. If the strut is too low it will load up on the strait and unload in the turn when you lay the boat over to turn. Also a little pos in the strut will move the break line back on the hull unloading the prop. If the eng is worn try a smaller prop.

David
 
way way to much nitro for that engine 40 % is all it needs. i would check the bearings too. it doesnt have to much prop on it if the engine will run better in a turn. i would try 12 inches on the pipe and an x460 3 blade prop with some cup added to it.


Most of the guy"s I run with think they need 65-70% to go fast. I'm not buying it. I do not use over 50% in my 67 or 80's and feel they are easier to tune on 30-40%..I think the prop is a X460/3.

Thanks,

Glenn
 
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way way to much nitro for that engine 40 % is all it needs. i would check the bearings too. it doesnt have to much prop on it if the engine will run better in a turn. i would try 12 inches on the pipe and an x460 3 blade prop with some cup added to it.


Most of the guy"s I run with think they need 65-70% to go fast. I'm not buying it. I do not use over 50% in my 67 or 80's and feel they are easier to tune on 30-40%..I think the prop is a X460/3.

Thanks,

Glenn
if the bottom has been straightened you will need 0 deg of strut angle and the strut should be just above the keel.
 
A friend has a large Mono(44 Calcraft/ CMB 101) and it almost dies in the straights and hauls like a boat possessed when it turns right. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Glenn
Keep turning right ;)

Sorry Glenn,

damn Seaducer guys :p

Andy
 
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A friend has a large Mono(44 Calcraft/ CMB 101) and it almost dies in the straights and hauls like a boat possessed when it turns right. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Glenn
Keep turning right ;)

Sorry Glenn,

damn Seaducer guys :p

Andy
I did offer to put the buoys in a donut pattern :)

One seadunker guy augered in and stuck it about 18" in the mud but he did get the boat back.

Not the best weekend but nothing destroyed.

:) :) Glenn
 
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If it flattens out in the straights you might want to check for fuel draw problems also. Tank height will change with a mono in the turns and coupled with the new needle it might show that problem.
 
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If it flattens out in the straights you might want to check for fuel draw problems also. Tank height will change with a mono in the turns and coupled with the new needle it might show that problem.
Thanks Jetpack, Will check everything and try a new needle and perhaps bigger hopper tank this Sunday.

Glenn
 
Remember at 4300 feet 60% is like 45% at sea level, you can really tell the difference :rolleyes:

True but temp and relative humidity mean just as much as altitude.

Have bin getting schooled on it at the last few races. 93deg and 75 dew point add up to 2500 feet at sea level. There is more to air quality than just how many feet you are up in the mountains. :unsure:

Try racing in the soup here in FL. in the summer. ;)

David
 
Chuck, I'm still not sold on the Hi Nitro at any elevation for the larger motors but your 84 runs like a CHAMP! I'm going to bring Tony a couple new remote needles and a larger hopper to try. I had That motor apart apart a month ago and did not check the bowl volume. Probably should have. Seems my stuff (67) runs a bit better and more consistant on less than 50%.

Glenn
 
Remember at 4300 feet 60% is like 45% at sea level, you can really tell the difference :rolleyes:

True but temp and relative humidity mean just as much as altitude.

Have bin getting schooled on it at the last few races. 93deg and 75 dew point add up to 2500 feet at sea level. There is more to air quality than just how many feet you are up in the mountains. :unsure:

Try racing in the soup here in FL. in the summer. ;)

David


My guess is that the adjusted altitude is about 7500 feet where Glenn runs when the temp goes up and the air really thins out. My starting altitude here is 5200 feet and our adjusted altitude can get to 9000 feet right before the major thunderstorm rolls in to screw everything up. 60%percent nitro helps make up for some of what we lack at this altitude.

If everything ran great before, regardless of nitro content he previously ran, I would start looking for fuel draw issues or bearings. I once broke off the brass tubing in a tank and it acted a little like what your talking about. The other thing to check is the rubber stop on the tank and make sure it is still making a good seal. It's not uncommon to have to lengthen the pipe as the temp warms up in your neck of the woods. As far as suggested props, unless they run at altitude they might not work.

Robert Holland

P.S. I would race in your Florida soup all day over thin air, 90 degree temps, thunderstorms and rain all in 10 minutes. You have never seen a motor lean out any faster than if you race in Colorado. And when it's tuned just right, we are still down at least 10% on horsepower than your worst day.
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Remember at 4300 feet 60% is like 45% at sea level, you can really tell the difference :rolleyes:

True but temp and relative humidity mean just as much as altitude.

Have bin getting schooled on it at the last few races. 93deg and 75 dew point add up to 2500 feet at sea level. There is more to air quality than just how many feet you are up in the mountains. :unsure:

Try racing in the soup here in FL. in the summer. ;)

David


My guess is that the adjusted altitude is about 7500 feet where Glenn runs when the temp goes up and the air really thins out. My starting altitude here is 5200 feet and our adjusted altitude can get to 9000 feet right before the major thunderstorm rolls in to screw everything up. 60%percent nitro helps make up for some of what we lack at this altitude.

If everything ran great before, regardless of nitro content he previously ran, I would start looking for fuel draw issues or bearings. I once broke off the brass tubing in a tank and it acted a little like what your talking about. The other thing to check is the rubber stop on the tank and make sure it is still making a good seal. It's not uncommon to have to lengthen the pipe as the temp warms up in your neck of the woods. As far as suggested props, unless they run at altitude they might not work.

Robert Holland

P.S. I would race in your Florida soup all day over thin air, 90 degree temps, thunderstorms and rain all in 10 minutes. You have never seen a motor lean out any faster than if you race in Colorado. And when it's tuned just right, we are still down at least 10% on horsepower than your worst day.
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Thanks for the tips Robert, Sunday was the first warm 80+ degree day we have had here and I'm not a great tuner :( . Hope we can get things sorted out soon. Visited the NAMBA 20 site last night and looked at the pic's- You guys have some BEAUTIFUL boats!

Glenn
 
Remember at 4300 feet 60% is like 45% at sea level, you can really tell the difference :rolleyes:

True but temp and relative humidity mean just as much as altitude.

Have bin getting schooled on it at the last few races. 93deg and 75 dew point add up to 2500 feet at sea level. There is more to air quality than just how many feet you are up in the mountains. :unsure:

Try racing in the soup here in FL. in the summer. ;)

David


My guess is that the adjusted altitude is about 7500 feet where Glenn runs when the temp goes up and the air really thins out. My starting altitude here is 5200 feet and our adjusted altitude can get to 9000 feet right before the major thunderstorm rolls in to screw everything up. 60%percent nitro helps make up for some of what we lack at this altitude.

If everything ran great before, regardless of nitro content he previously ran, I would start looking for fuel draw issues or bearings. I once broke off the brass tubing in a tank and it acted a little like what your talking about. The other thing to check is the rubber stop on the tank and make sure it is still making a good seal. It's not uncommon to have to lengthen the pipe as the temp warms up in your neck of the woods. As far as suggested props, unless they run at altitude they might not work.

Robert Holland

P.S. I would race in your Florida soup all day over thin air, 90 degree temps, thunderstorms and rain all in 10 minutes. You have never seen a motor lean out any faster than if you race in Colorado. And when it's tuned just right, we are still down at least 10% on horsepower than your worst day.
cool.gif
Thanks for the tips Robert, Sunday was the first warm 80+ degree day we have had here and I'm not a great tuner :( . Hope we can get things sorted out soon. Visited the NAMBA 20 site last night and looked at the pic's- You guys have some BEAUTIFUL boats!

Glenn


Glenn,

Any luck on this boat? What did you guys figure out???

Robert
 
Remember at 4300 feet 60% is like 45% at sea level, you can really tell the difference :rolleyes:

True but temp and relative humidity mean just as much as altitude.

Have bin getting schooled on it at the last few races. 93deg and 75 dew point add up to 2500 feet at sea level. There is more to air quality than just how many feet you are up in the mountains. :unsure:

Try racing in the soup here in FL. in the summer. ;)

David


My guess is that the adjusted altitude is about 7500 feet where Glenn runs when the temp goes up and the air really thins out. My starting altitude here is 5200 feet and our adjusted altitude can get to 9000 feet right before the major thunderstorm rolls in to screw everything up. 60%percent nitro helps make up for some of what we lack at this altitude.

If everything ran great before, regardless of nitro content he previously ran, I would start looking for fuel draw issues or bearings. I once broke off the brass tubing in a tank and it acted a little like what your talking about. The other thing to check is the rubber stop on the tank and make sure it is still making a good seal. It's not uncommon to have to lengthen the pipe as the temp warms up in your neck of the woods. As far as suggested props, unless they run at altitude they might not work.

Robert Holland

P.S. I would race in your Florida soup all day over thin air, 90 degree temps, thunderstorms and rain all in 10 minutes. You have never seen a motor lean out any faster than if you race in Colorado. And when it's tuned just right, we are still down at least 10% on horsepower than your worst day.
cool.gif
Thanks for the tips Robert, Sunday was the first warm 80+ degree day we have had here and I'm not a great tuner :( . Hope we can get things sorted out soon. Visited the NAMBA 20 site last night and looked at the pic's- You guys have some BEAUTIFUL boats!

Glenn


Glenn,

Any luck on this boat? What did you guys figure out???

Robert
Nothing yet Robert, The weather was poor last week and he didn't bring it today. I'm going to set up a new 2 Oz. hopper for him with a Sullivan Alum. H.D. cap and .157" I.D. brass tubing(he thinks I,m his new man servant) :lol: . Are you still willing to sell the Mutt sport 40? I have a friend that is looking for a good one.

Thanks,

Glenn

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