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jeff baham

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anybody running the new cmb 45 rs, need to know how it run stock and modded. this will go in a scratch built outrigger. i'm still running the old gold head cmb evo 1, i'm undecided on the cmb45 rs or the cmb cam45.
 
Hey Jeff a friend of mine just got one for his Sport 40.. I'll let you know how it runs as soon as he get the boat in the water...
 
10-4, i'll be waiting. i'm asking for a friend of mine he still running the evo1 45 now that part are hard to find he can decide on which motor.
 
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Kjell Gunnar Noddeland, Norway, won the World Championship in Slovenia in the 45 hydro class with a 45 RS last month. I saw it myself last weekend at the Norwegian Championship.

It works very well out of the box. There were some modifications done to it just before the WC by CMB and now it seems to hold up OK. Make sure you get it with this mod.

Best regards,

Stein
 
There are two of these new RS CMB running here pretty well now in riggers.

One of them had a crankpin failure just during breakin but after been replaced with a new one sent by the manufacturer it is one of the fast boats in Bhydro.

The other still winning races!

Gill
 
PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO MODE THE RS , IT MAY END UP A TOTAL FAILURE. I HAVE USED THE EVO,S SINCE THEY FIRST CAME , THE ONLY THING I DO TO THEM IS TO MAKE DAMMED SHURE THE DISK IS NOT TIGHT ON THE DRIVE MECH. WITH 50 % FUEL I DO LIKE TO SET THE HEAD AT .006/.008

IF YOU MUST , YOU CAN GO WWWAAAAYYYYY UP THERE WITH EXH, TIMING AND STILL NOT LOOSE ANY BOTTEM END TOURQE
 
We broke crankpin after crankpin on the RS45. Thats on the geared engines. Various mods from CMB but the only engine I know to have survived for more than an hour was modded before running with an an old 45 GP crankpin! They just came out with a dual bearing front housing which seems to extend the crankpin life so far but who knows how long for?
 
DaveMarles said:
We broke crankpin after crankpin on the RS45. Thats on the geared engines. Various mods from CMB but the only engine I know to have survived for more than an hour was modded before running with an an old 45 GP crankpin! They just came out with a dual bearing front housing which seems to extend the crankpin life so far but who knows how long for?
Dave what is the difference in crankpins that makes the old 45 ones hang on and the new ones break? I could sort of understand how in a gear drive the lateral force on the crank would tend to try to throw the crank to the left of the boat where in a straight drive that force wouldnt be present.

A dual front bearing arrangement would certainly help if that was the problem. The only drama with that is the front housing would still be a bolt on arrangement so the front housing would still move to some degree.

EMS Racing Theory sometimes gets put into practice
 
Tim , The 91RS has no crank problems at all as far as I know. I am running one and its the best 15cc motor I ever used. If it can break I would have broken it !

Craig, There are a few theories why the .45 pin is breaking. I think its basically a material or heat treatment problem and others think its a balance problem. Might be a bit of both. We had a similar problem with the EVO2/2 motors. The first series had zero problems with the crankpin but most of the later series nearly all broke crankpins within 30 minutes. There was a change of balance with the second series but I still think it was a crankpin material problem. Compared to the older EVO and GP 45's the crankpin had a softer surface. The RS was made to eliminate the problem but the crankpin size was reduced because CMB thought the thicker crankpin was causing a problem. Its possible to put the older Evo crankshafts into the EVO2/2 and into the RS and although it looks like an ugly setup because the crankweb diameter is smaller, it works and they run fine. As I said before I fitted an old GP crankpin to the RS. Its the same diameter but shorter and shouldnt work but its the longest living RS45 that I know of even surviving a conrod breakage. Unfortunately I changed the balance on that crank before Iit was used and so we really still can't be sure what's wrong. Theres a huge ongoing thread on this subject on the Prestwich Models discussion group. The mods CMB made were to change the balance by reducing the width of the crankwebs and then a new pin material but they still broke. After that a special front housing with 2 bearings. So far that seems to work but its thought that this is only extending the time before breakage occurs. I changed the balance on my motor by reducing the material around the crankpin side which is totally opposite to what CMB did. This motor has been run in my stepsons boat only because I'm a coward and I stayed with using my first series EVO2/2 motors :rolleyes: but now the racing season is finishing I will test it to destruction. Life's a nightmare.

Dave
 
DaveMarles said:
Craig, There are a few theories why the .45 pin is breaking. I think its basically a material or heat treatment problem and others think its a balance problem. Might be a bit of both. We had a similar problem with the EVO2/2 motors. The first series had zero problems with the crankpin but most of the later series nearly all broke crankpins within 30 minutes. There was a change of balance with the second series but I still think it was a crankpin material problem. Compared to the older EVO and GP 45's the crankpin had a softer surface. The RS was made to eliminate the problem but the crankpin size was reduced because CMB thought the thicker crankpin was causing a problem. Its possible to put the older Evo crankshafts into the EVO2/2 and into the RS and although it looks like an ugly setup because the crankweb diameter is smaller, it works and they run fine. As I said before I fitted an old GP crankpin to the RS. Its the same diameter but shorter and shouldnt work but its the longest living RS45 that I know of even surviving a conrod breakage. Unfortunately I changed the balance on that crank before Iit was used and so we really still can't be sure what's wrong. Theres a huge ongoing thread on this subject on the Prestwich Models discussion group. The mods CMB made were to change the balance by reducing the width of the crankwebs and then a new pin material but they still broke. After that a special front housing with 2 bearings. So far that seems to work but its thought that this is only extending the time before breakage occurs. I changed the balance on my motor by reducing the material around the crankpin side which is totally opposite to what CMB did. This motor has been run in my stepsons boat only because I'm a coward and I stayed with using my first series EVO2/2 motors :rolleyes: but now the racing season is finishing I will test it to destruction. Life's a nightmare.Dave
Dave,

Did they actually reduce the diameter of the crank pin? If so did they also change the I.D of the conrod? It is also interesting to note the failures all seem to be in gear drive units. That would seem to suggest a combination of the front housing and the crank pin material/hardness.

In a straight drive there are very few lateral forces on the engine so nothing should be forced out of alignment. With a gear drive all the force transmitted to the crankshaft is lateral so it would try to twist the crank and its pivot point woould be the front bearing. The second front bearing would help that situation and the longer the new front housing is the less the crank will twist.

I think you will find that the crank is trying to twist and is then out of alignment with the rear half of the crank and the pin is constantly being 'wobbled' so the harder the material the more likely it is to break. A softer pin will stand up to that flexing a lot longer.

EMS Racing - Everyone Moves Slowly
 
Thanks Dave,

Asked the question because of the common link with the 45rs in that the needle roller has been replaced with a ball bearing. Glad to hear that both engines don't have the same ailment.

Tim.
 
Craig, up until the 45EVO2/2 the crankpin diameter was 6.8mm. The 45EVO2/2 had a 7.2mm diameter pin. The RS45 is back to 6.8mm.

Dave
 
got the engine at the nats took out my 45 cam and put in the 45 rs and gained 5 mile a hour with no other changes

I have more of them and so does Jerry at Seaducer

Ray I was the one who sold it to Jim

Glad to see you here also

Dave

NAMBA98 B)
 
Hey Dave..Jim will be puting that engine in his new Phil Thomas Sport..He hoping to beat the MAc,s with it...
 
trust me he will

it is an awsome powerplant

by the way we owe you for the banquet

let me know

dave :)
 

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